Training Ground?

[beelzebub 23,364]

44 minutes ago, dpositive said:

Impressive looking presentation and indicates a pretty large investment.

Has the benefit of consolidating the racing footprint which does release space for other ventures, ie Footy grounds. So certainly plenty of potential.

Id like to see someone with drone skills do a similar presentation over Fishermans Bend/ Port Melbourne or Williamstown. Im pretty sure you could see similar potential. The FB board does have some pretty impressive visuals on their website and an apparently measured and structured development program.

Caulfield certainly has public transport and access over FB/PM or W but again FB particularly as a greenfield site has great potential to curate transport services to a new space incorporating entertainment/ sports /retail and corporate services.

Similar concerns to others about the racing industry involvement as they have never been seen as a benevolent partner with competing bodies. While others are seeing some mutual benefits they are based on MFC being an attractive list. Not sure Id like this as a business model going forward. 

 I will be interested in the answers to my questions to the board which will provide some clarity to the discussions past and future.

To me here's  your conundrum re FB...

At Caulfield there's a huge tract of land that's been underutilised.....for a while.

It has very limited roles suited to development going forward. Rediscovering this acreage as a sports mecca is its ideal new persona.

Over at FB ?? The most expensive use of land in any redevelopment is as open recreational use. Any developer will only ever allocate the barest of minmums according to what ever overlays and caveats applicable.  $ for $ anything at FB will be horrendously expensive as compared Caulfield.  

I can understand some might look at it...but to be frank FB has no logic .

The very same reason Waverley disappeared... it was worth more as housing... FB is same same. 

The ONLY thing the inside of CRC is suited to is Sporting and low rise event use.

It's a no brainer imo

[DeeSpencer 25,687]

Surprised no one else has mentioned the rumour I've heard about our competition for use of the Caulfield site. Given the demons membership base I'd imagine it would be a conflicting choice for some members.

[Demonstone 22,511]

How my mind works when I see posts by @dpositive lobbying for Fishermen's Bend/Port Melbourne ...

 

[beelzebub 23,364]

38 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Surprised no one else has mentioned the rumour I've heard about our competition for use of the Caulfield site. Given the demons membership base I'd imagine it would be a conflicting choice for some members.

And that rumour is........

[Wells 11 5,399]

4 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Surprised no one else has mentioned the rumour I've heard about our competition for use of the Caulfield site. Given the demons membership base I'd imagine it would be a conflicting choice for some members.

I wasn’t aware there was competition. Worst news I’ve heard in a while as the dees don’t usually win much head to head with other clubs. AFL or another code?

[daisycutter 29,613]

28 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

I wasn’t aware there was competition. Worst news I’ve heard in a while as the dees don’t usually win much head to head with other clubs. AFL or another code?

i have a feeling ds meant to say opposition rather than competition

otherwise it reads more like a riddle

[daisycutter 29,613]

just thinking

when (?) we move full time to caulfield it will be impossible to have closed training

so, the club will need to get accustomed to this as many other clubs have

so, why don't the club be proactive and be more receptive to allowing suporters to training now.?

 This could work to their advantage, not only to attracting more members (now and in future) , but also open ways for members to contribute financially to pecific supporter facilities at caulfield. e.g. i'd be happy to donate to a special fund to set up supporter terraced seating etc (separate to any supporter funding in general for the caulfield developmen),  because i would get some direct benefit from it.

could be a win,win for club and supporters in many ways

given caulfield's location it could attract many more supporters to it than gosch's or casey

Edited January 14 by daisycutter

[old dee 23,788]

54 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

just thinking

when (?) we move full time to caulfield it will be impossible to have closed training

so, the club will need to get accustomed to this as many other clubs have

so, why don't the club be proactive and be more receptive to allowing suporters to training now.?

 This could work to their advantage, not only to attracting more members (now and in future) , but also open ways for members to contribute financially to pecific supporter facilities at caulfield. e.g. i'd be happy to donate to a special fund to set up supporter terraced seating etc (separate to any supporter funding in general for the caulfield developmen),  because i would get some direct benefit from it.

could be a win,win for club and supporters in many ways

given caulfield's location it could attract many more supporters to it than gosch's or casey

Well you have the honour of being face palmed today DC. Congratulations. 

[Macca 16,966]

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

i have a feeling ds meant to say opposition rather than competition

otherwise it reads more like a riddle

There was a fair bit of opposition when we had the pokies but it didn't amount to much until the clubs took it upon themselves to start exiting out of the venture's ... many are still heavily involved though (Hawthorn?) Stand corrected on that

And who boycotts Coles & Woolies knowing their massive involvement with pokies?  

But at around about that same time, the clubs and the AFL started getting all cosy with the betting agencies so there's always something

We don't live in a perfect world and if we don't go to Caulfield we're probably stuck with where we are (and that wouldn't particulary bother me as the facilities we've currently got are more than adequate) 

But if it's not going to cost us much going into a new facility, the supporters getting their heads around us being involved with a racing club is no big deal.  You can't please everyone 

Besides which, we all have choices and the average supporter rarely ventures to training anyway

Oddly enough, despite us potentially being involved with a racing club, we'd almost certainly get a lot more supporters venturing to training (location, mod cons etc)

Edited January 14 by Macca

[george_on_the_outer 7,590]

20 minutes ago, Macca said:

We don't live in a perfect world and if we don't go to Caulfield we're probably stuck with where we are (and that wouldn't particulary bother me as the facilities we've currently got are more than adequate) 

Our facilities are NOT more than adequate.  We share facilities at AAMI with 3 other codes with multiple teams themselves, and have 4 teams of our own. 

When you lose two finals by a mere 9 points then having something better than what we have could have been the difference.  When players have to drive 45 minutes one way and then another 45 minutes back from Casey and do it multiple times each week, surely that time would be best spent in recovery, training, physio etc.  That is what makes the difference between winning and losing at the sharp end.

Ours facilities are the worst in the league.  There are multiple examples in this thread of what others already have, and what others are planning.  Go an look at what Essendon have had at Tullamarine for 20 years to see how far behind we are.

It doesn't matter if our own facility is in the middle of a race track. 

We are the only club in the competition without a home base. 

Edited January 14 by george_on_the_outer

[Macca 16,966]

8 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Our facilities are NOT more than adequate.  We share facilities at AAMI with 3 other codes with multiple teams themselves, and have 4 teams of our own. 

When you lose two finals by a mere 9 points then having something better than what we have could have been the difference.  When players have to drive 45 minutes one way and then another 45 minutes back from Casey and do it multiple times each week, surely that time would be best spent in recovery, training, physio etc.  That is what makes the difference between winning and losing at the sharp end.

Ours facilities are the worst in the league.  There are multiple examples in this thread of what others already have, and what others are planning.  Go an look at what Essendon have had at Tullamarine for 20 years to see how far behind we are.

It doesn't matter where and with who we get our own facility.  We are the only club in the competition without a home base. 

So how on Earth did we suddenly win a flag training out of Casey?  

Doing it a bit tough never hurt anyone

Tigers won 3 flags training at a postage stamp of an oval.  Yet we're forever hearing that teams should only train on MCG proportions

These things nearly always get blown out of proportion

For years we were told the Junction Oval ground was unfit for training.  Yet it was easily had the best surface going around.  No mud, great drainage.  Like carpet

And a meeting room is a meeting room.  Stick a few chairs in there and a whiteboard and away you go

As for the Bombers, for all their great facilities, they haven't won a final in 20 years.  Maybe they're too pampered?  Too soft?  Too many peptides

Edited January 14 by Macca

[DeeSpencer 25,687]

5 hours ago, beelzebub said:

And that rumour is........

 

2 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

I wasn’t aware there was competition. Worst news I’ve heard in a while as the dees don’t usually win much head to head with other clubs. AFL or another code?

Well I can’t just give it up easily now can I?

A group of famous overweight pelicans have had a good Huntin’ and might make-a-bee line for their piece of the heartland to host some games 

[Neil Crompton 5,535]

On 13/01/2024 at 11:41, Neil Crompton said:

 

Edited January 14 by Neil Crompton
Wrong thread

[Sir Why You Little 37,034]

6 minutes ago, Macca said:

So how on Earth did we suddenly win a flag training out of Casey?  

Doing it a bit tough never hurt anyone

Tigers won 3 flags training at a postage stamp of an oval.  Yet we're forever hearing that teams should only train on MCG proportions

These things nearly always get blown out of proportion

For years we were told the Junction Oval ground was unfit for training.  Yet it was easily had the best surface going around.  No mud, great drainage.  Like carpet

And a meeting room is a meeting room.  Stick a few chairs in there and a whiteboard and away you go

Here is a man who has said Trading and Recruiting is all complete luck of the draw…. and now this….

Rightio…

[daisycutter 29,613]

41 minutes ago, old dee said:

Well you have the honour of being face palmed today DC. Congratulations. 

face palmed by bluey means i must be on a good thing 😁

[Macca 16,966]

17 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

 

 

I never said that at all

Stop twisting my words 

I've only ever said that drafting can be flawed and that is a statement of fact.  Otherwise, there would never be any busts

And you want the coach sacked as well?  It's all the umpires' fault?

You're good for a laugh, Wyl, I'll give you that

Edited January 14 by Macca

[beelzebub 23,364]

27 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

 

Well I can’t just give it up easily now can I?

A group of famous overweight pelicans have had a good Huntin’ and might make-a-bee line for their piece of the heartland to host some games 

Alrighty....  it's riddle time...  lol

[Macca 16,966]

36 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

 

I also advocated (years ago) that the club should start swapping some draft picks for proven talent.  And if I recall correctly, I didn't get a lot of support (but there was some support)

And hey presto, that's what we started doing.  Incredible

As a result we secured May, Lever, Brown, Melksham, Hibberd, Tomlinson, Langdon, Tyson, Hunter, Lewis etc etc.  And now McAdam, Billings & Fullarton.  I've no doubt left a few out

And securing those players went a long way to securing the flag

If you had your way, we would have only have kept drafting teenagers (with a messiah thinking) without any other form of recruiting

So who got it right in the end?  

 

Edited January 14 by Macca

[Sir Why You Little 37,034]

21 minutes ago, Macca said:

I never said that at all

Stop twisting my words 

I've only ever said that drafting can be flawed and that is a statement of fact.  Otherwise, there would never be any busts

And you want the coach sacked as well?  It's all the umpires' fault?

You're good for a laugh, Wyl, I'll give you that

You have always given drafting no credit 

Your knowledge of training facilities is even worse.

 
Yes i think it was time for a new Coach after 2 Failed Final Series, considering we went into ‘23 with the same Game Plan. New Blood 

Umpires? Having 4 of them is a joke. I blame the AFL actually 

[Sir Why You Little 37,034]

7 minutes ago, Macca said:

 

If you had your way, we would have only have kept drafting teenagers (with a messiah thinking) without any other form of recruiting

So who got it right in the end?  

 

That wasn’t my philosophy at all. I would have recruited Luke Ball, if you remember those discussions. But i also believe in recruiting THE RIGHT YOUNG talent. I don’t believe it is a lottery, if the right research is done thoroughly 

 

Just to clarify 

[Macca 16,966]

4 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

 

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[Macca 16,966]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

That wasn’t my philosophy at all. I would have recruited Luke Ball, if you remember those discussions. But i also believe in recruiting THE RIGHT YOUNG talent. I don’t believe it is a lottery, if the right research is done thoroughly 

You've obviously never played any sport or ever been involved if you believe that 17yo's or 18yo's are the finished product

Most develop at different stages and some are so advanced that they don't get any better (Morton, Toumpas etc) Others take ages so judging them at the same age is fraught with danger

And no one knows for sure either.  It's an educated guess otherwise, there wouldn't be any busts

But hey, if we get told something over and over again we're inclined to believe it

Your problem is your gullibility.  You never question anything, it's just a whingefest with you

Edited January 14 by Macca

[beelzebub 23,364]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

 

Well I can’t just give it up easily now can I?

A group of famous overweight pelicans have had a good Huntin’ and might make-a-bee line for their piece of the heartland to host some games 

Ok.... im ready for the next clue... lol

[Sir Why You Little 37,034]

7 minutes ago, Macca said:

You've obviously never played any sport or ever been involved if you believe that 17yo's or 18yo's are the finished product

Most develop at different stages and some are so advanced that they don't get any better (Morton, Toumpas etc) Others take ages so judging them at the same age is fraught with danger

And no one knows for sure either.  It's an educated guess otherwise, there wouldn't be any busts

But hey, if we get told something over and over again we're inclined to believe it.  Footy fans are easily brainwashed

e.g. that the umpires are out to get us (not true) And that's every group of supporters

Your problem is your gullibility.  You never question anything, it's just a whingefest with you

Who has ever said that a 17 or 18 year old is the finished product?

The one aspect that gets undervalued is Attitude, that trait can be solid as a rock by 17-18

your last paragraph is just flat out funny 

I am gullible and i never question anything. 
I don’t think that is me at all

[Macca 16,966]

57 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Who has ever said that a 17 or 18 year old is the finished product?

The one aspect that gets undervalued is Attitude, that trait can be solid as a rock by 17-18

your last paragraph is just flat out funny 

I am gullible and i never question anything. 
I don’t think that is me at all

It is you, it's just that you don't know that about yourself

I'll say it again, if our facilities were so substandard, there's no way we win the flag training out of Casey

Truth is we did it tough as well flying all over the place within hubs and away from family

As hard as it gets whilst the Eagles gave up.  We kept at it and won the flag playing great football

You of all people should know about doing it tough and overcoming adversity

I'm actually surprised that you're not agreeing with me 

Edited January 14 by Macca