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7 hours ago, binman said:

As someone just over 50 he was one of my all time favorite dees. I just loved the way he played footy.

Will never forget Johnnos game in the Elimination Final At Waverly In 1988.

Really dragged us across the line from the back pocket. Great winger also.

Such run snd carry. And disposal.

If Jay Lockhart can be half  as good as AJ we should be pleased.

We need Hunt style running with accurate disposal by hand and foot from  defenders 

People  forget that run generally starts from the backline (see where Tigers start it at half back)

That will alter all our plan with Langdon AVB and Maybe ANB And Kossie.feeding off team play with speed.,

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    9 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

     Because one of the so caled 'experts' on here makes a decision/opinion he is no good, the sycophants join in and it becomes fact rather than opinion

    Assume ANB wouldn't give a rats what posters think on here, as long as Goodwin picks him

    Played quite a few games at Casey this year so Goodwin didn't always pick him.

    I like ANB.  I like his work rate and his attitude.  Needs to work on his decision making and disposal.  This doesn't make him a bad person, or me a bad person for writing it.

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    13 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    I would not have picked you to be over 50 Bin! You certainly have seen the up and downs over of this club over the years old timer.

    Many more downs than ups  unfortunately. The 70's was one long  down. I think all the downs is a factor in why  I have hasa fondness for particular players over the years.

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    6 hours ago, dee-tox said:

    Not sure its as black and white as this Saty! Posters here are not necessarily fanboys but observers. His running capacity is superb and he does continue to get in the right positions. However, his ability to tackle and/or kick (perhaps when fatigued) is very poor. No Melb player misses more shots from 15-20 metres out on the run, and no Melb. player currently on the list has so many missed tackles. These are the areas, if he gets right, could mean he is a very dangerous player and great asset to the team.

    If ANB was at Richmond, he would be in front of Castagna by a mile, who is picked every week.  Same kind of half forward role. Castagna is picked for his pressure.  His best tackling season was this year at 3.1 average per game.  ANB has averaged 4-5 a game for 3 years. Tackling is one of the main reasons why he is picked.

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    8 hours ago, Soprano661 said:

    When the team is up and about he’s more than serviceable I’ve always said that 

    Perhaps what you are missing is that he is a key part of the team being up and about. A cause, rather than a symptom. Like Lambert at Richmond, who is also far from the neatest or most skilled player. 

    Our best performances in our best year in a long time had him kicking multiple goals, laying lots of tackles and getting low 20s in the possession count. Some goals he kicks are opportunistic but most result from hard running to create an option in space when no one else will. If Brayshaw had ANBs work ethic, he'd be a hall of famer. 

    I can't help but think that if it was petracca or another more fashionable/likeable player putting up those numbers, many of you would be frothing over it. 

    Sure, ANB can commit a terrible turnover, but he's not alone there.

    There is universal adoration for Bailey Fritsch but according to the official statistics, his turnovers are by far the most damaging of anyone in our side. 

    As always, there is too much focus on what ANB can't do, or does poorly, as opposed to what he can do better than anyone else in our side. 

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    28 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

    If ANB was at Richmond, he would be in front of Castagna by a mile, who is picked every week.  Same kind of half forward role. Castagna is picked for his pressure.  His best tackling season was this year at 3.1 average per game.  ANB has averaged 4-5 a game for 3 years. Tackling is one of the main reasons why he is picked.

    Yeah nah, to think otherwise is laughable, the wider football community and Richmond supporters would laugh at this. I

    Castagna is by far a much dynamic and complete footballer then ANB. 

    Just remember also that during the year ANB  was dropped by the 2nd worst AFL club in the competition. Even at VFL level he was quite ordinary and didn't exactly bang the door down for selection.

    The sooner Pickett and Bedford come on the better, as that would mean ANB is back playing 2s football where he belongs.

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    ANB looks like an Olympic long distance runner who has converted to footy at age 24. Does nothing but run around chasing the ball. A player who runs that much that’s actually good at footy or had decent IQ should average 46 possessions a game. He’s tricking you all!

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    4 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

     

    Stay surely November is over and Jake can remove  the caterpillar from his lip!!!

     

     

     

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    7 hours ago, dee-tox said:

    Not sure its as black and white as this Saty! Posters here are not necessarily fanboys but observers. His running capacity is superb and he does continue to get in the right positions. However, his ability to tackle and/or kick (perhaps when fatigued) is very poor. No Melb player misses more shots from 15-20 metres out on the run, and no Melb. player currently on the list has so many missed tackles. These are the areas, if he gets right, could mean he is a very dangerous player and great asset to the team.

    This is a good summation of his abilities, he no doubt has attributes, but under pressure he tends to fumble and miss targets ( often kickable goals )

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    22 hours ago, Demon Jack said:

    Not sure if this has been mentioned but Joel Smith is in full training. Just pulled off a nice pick up and handpass in the backline.

    Wonderful to see him back.

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    1 hour ago, Watson11 said:

    If ANB was at Richmond, he would be in front of Castagna by a mile, who is picked every week.  Same kind of half forward role. Castagna is picked for his pressure.  His best tackling season was this year at 3.1 average per game.  ANB has averaged 4-5 a game for 3 years. Tackling is one of the main reasons why he is picked.

    What have I said about putting facts, it gets the myth makers confused, they have their OPINION

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    33 minutes ago, Older demon said:

    Stay surely November is over and Jake can remove  the caterpillar from his lip!!!

    Aren't you forgetting ... Christache?

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    1 hour ago, Watson11 said:

    If ANB was at Richmond, he would be in front of Castagna by a mile, who is picked every week.  Same kind of half forward role. Castagna is picked for his pressure.  His best tackling season was this year at 3.1 average per game.  ANB has averaged 4-5 a game for 3 years. Tackling is one of the main reasons why he is picked.

     

    10 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

    What have I said about putting facts, it gets the myth makers confused, they have their OPINION

    Good grief!

    You reckon Hardwick would play ANB for averaging a single tackle more per game? 
    ANB vs Castagna

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    1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Yeah nah, to think otherwise is laughable, the wider football community and Richmond supporters would laugh at this. I

    Castagna is by far a much dynamic and complete footballer then ANB. 

    Just remember also that during the year ANB  was dropped by the 2nd worst AFL club in the competition. Even at VFL level he was quite ordinary and didn't exactly bang the door down for selection.

    The sooner Pickett and Bedford come on the better, as that would mean ANB is back playing 2s football where he belongs.

    Castagna is the Richmond whipping boy but I agree he's a better player than ANB, for a start he has genuine pace which makes a huge difference in that role.

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    1 hour ago, fr_ap said:

    Perhaps what you are missing is that he is a key part of the team being up and about. A cause, rather than a symptom. Like Lambert at Richmond, who is also far from the neatest or most skilled player. 

    Our best performances in our best year in a long time had him kicking multiple goals, laying lots of tackles and getting low 20s in the possession count. Some goals he kicks are opportunistic but most result from hard running to create an option in space when no one else will. If Brayshaw had ANBs work ethic, he'd be a hall of famer. 

    I can't help but think that if it was petracca or another more fashionable/likeable player putting up those numbers, many of you would be frothing over it. 

    Sure, ANB can commit a terrible turnover, but he's not alone there.

    There is universal adoration for Bailey Fritsch but according to the official statistics, his turnovers are by far the most damaging of anyone in our side. 

    As always, there is too much focus on what ANB can't do, or does poorly, as opposed to what he can do better than anyone else in our side. 

    Oh boy, I can buy a Castagna vs ANB comparison, but I think Castagna is a superior player.

    ANB is not even in the same postcode as Kane Lambert who is a terrific player

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/why-richmond-star-kane-lambert-is-at-centre-of-underrated-debate-between-jason-dunstall-and-mark-robinson/news-story/1fa45505dcd24f5fbaab498f986c266d

    "Lambert finished second in last year’s Jack Dyer Medal and earned a spot in the All-Australian squad, after finishing third in the best and fairest in Richmond’s premiership winning 2017 campaign."

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    4 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

    Castagna is the Richmond whipping boy but I agree he's a better player than ANB, for a start he has genuine pace which makes a huge difference in that role.

    Watch his grand final performance. Yes he kicked 5 behinds but everytime he went near the ball he was really dangerous and was just simply running rings around GWS back half. 

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    16 minutes ago, McQueen said:

     

    Good grief!

    You reckon Hardwick would play ANB for averaging a single tackle more per game? 
    ANB vs Castagna

    But but the "facts" though??

    ?‍♂️

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    It's quite obvious some posters on here think/opine ANB is no good

    The fact that he gets a game irks them coz they think they know better than the coaching staff in all footy matters

    So they will fill a thread trying to hammer others of a different opinion, until everybody falls into line with their way of thinking

    Of course they could go the whole hog and embarrass themselves in a public forum

    I think, even with the flaws in his game, which he is working on, when on, ANB is an important cog in the team structure

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    24 minutes ago, McQueen said:

     

    Good grief!

    You reckon Hardwick would play ANB for averaging a single tackle more per game? 
    ANB vs Castagna

    I am not a great fan o f ANB but Cherry-picking stats from a year in which a team came near to last as against the premiers  is a bit disingenuous  

    Try comparing their 2018 stats or their career stats which you can find from the site you have sourced. You maybe surprised. 

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