3 hours ago, DemonOX said:

We wouldn’t have a team if that were the case. 

Haha agree

Reality and posturing are two different things.

A question for the op. Are we going to trade Max to speed up the revolution?

I do agree with the op sentiment though. Have a plan and stick to it

Edited September 8, 20195 yr by Unleash Hell

stats have shown that we have been killed on the scoreboard because we turn the ball over so often and our opposition scores from it. I dont know how many time this season i have seen players under no pressure kick to opposition players, or handpass to one of our own players feet. this is a game of skill, and our side was not up to that this year. As i have said before we play a brand of football where we zone off hoping to pick off the easy miskick, pass etc. that does not work against good sides that do not miskick. We have the ability to get the ball forward but either we are out numbered, out marked, or simply out played. Some players are always looking sideways and backwards rather than moving the ball forward. and we frequently play players who just are not fit enough or have the form to deserve to play, in some cases i would say they dont even have the right attitude, i.e. they dont chase, they dont tackle, they dont shepherd and often miss giving or receiving simple kicks and handballs.

Good luck getting a full 22 on the park then..

17 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Im referring  to Goody's penchant  for diarrhetic nonsense at pressers. 

Pay attention  and youll find Ratten a lot less Fugazi in his dealings.

We'll  just differ...no need to change now

 

You mean he refers to having the [censored] as nonsense?

Let's see how Ratten goes in his pressers now he is back in hot seat permanently or as permanently as an AFL  coach can be

If we are talking about lack of kicking skills then KK was a big loss for us this year.

On 9/7/2019 at 2:02 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

Why does everything have to be stated publicly these days? I’m sure the coaches are well aware of the issue and it is something that will be rectified (or attempted to be). 

There are numerous poor aspects to our game plan, players skills and player positioning that the coaches don't appear to be able to identify - or at least be able to rectify. Playing Jones & Lewis on the wings is one (and Tyson last year), Fritsch down back.

Allowing opposition teams to chip the ball and play keepings off against us is another.

Not sure why you are so confident they know what the issues are.

 

Edited September 8, 20195 yr by jnrmac

17 hours ago, Stretch Johnson said:

@Deespencer touched on it.   Kicking is a lot easier when you have targets that have worked into space that are confidently demanding the footy. 

I'm not saying that our skills weren't woeful,  but to focus primarily on our kicking would be to oversimplify our general shittness which was complex, deep and varied. 

There is also the psychology behind it.  Our loss of mojo leaked into all facets of our game. 

When you are out of form and low on confidence, players hesitate, 2nd guess, don’t just do it without thinking.

19 hours ago, Stretch Johnson said:

@Deespencer touched on it.   Kicking is a lot easier when you have targets that have worked into space that are confidently demanding the footy. 

I'm not saying that our skills weren't woeful,  but to focus primarily on our kicking would be to oversimplify our general shittness which was complex, deep and varied. 

There is also the psychology behind it.  Our loss of mojo leaked into all facets of our game. 

Absolutely agree. I've said this before about Collingwood being a good example of how a lot of their kickers seemed to go from turn over merchants in 2017 to a strong team of kickers, who can control games in a similar way to old Hawthorn under Clarkson.

Collingwood clearly worked really hard on their fitness (arguably too hard, given all their injuries in 2018), but this meant their players regularly got to the outside and into space, so they could keep moving the ball with seeming accuracy.

As has been said a couple of times now, you look a much better kick when you're not trying to thread the eye of the needle, and merely kicking into space or to a free player.

Collingwood have Pendlebury and Sidebottom in the middle who's disposal is elite.
They've often been the difference in our games.
 

6 hours ago, Unleash Hell said:

 Are we going to trade Max to speed up the revolution?

Wash your mouth out.

1 hour ago, A F said:

Absolutely agree. I've said this before about Collingwood being a good example of how a lot of their kickers seemed to go from turn over merchants in 2017 to a strong team of kickers, who can control games in a similar way to old Hawthorn under Clarkson.

Collingwood clearly worked really hard on their fitness (arguably too hard, given all their injuries in 2018), but this meant their players regularly got to the outside and into space, so they could keep moving the ball with seeming accuracy.

As has been said a couple of times now, you look a much better kick when you're not trying to thread the eye of the needle, and merely kicking into space or to a free player.

Agree with all that.   Another incredibly frustrating part of our game was our tendency to crowd the contest, both aerial and on the ground.  That stems from panic and again a loss of confidence.

Our whole game was compromised and each problem bled into the other.  Skills are the easy thing to single out,  but they are partly symptomatic of a host of other issues. 

49 minutes ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Agree with all that.   Another incredibly frustrating part of our game was our tendency to crowd the contest, both aerial and on the ground.  That stems from panic and again a loss of confidence.

Our whole game was compromised and each problem bled into the other.  Skills are the easy thing to single out,  but they are partly symptomatic of a host of other issues. 

I agree that some of our crowding stems from panic and a loss of confidence, but I also wonder how much of that is game style-directed. To swarm each and every contest. I think it's a failure of the game style, unless you have cover out the back. 

3 minutes ago, A F said:

I agree that some of our crowding stems from panic and a loss of confidence, but I also wonder how much of that is game style-directed. To swarm each and every contest. I think it's a failure of the game style, unless you have cover out the back. 

Or is it? The opposition can't score if the ball is under a pack of six Demons on the wing. It's so simple it's profound.

1 hour ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Or is it? The opposition can't score if the ball is under a pack of six Demons on the wing. It's so simple it's profound.

The problem only EVER occurs once the ball escapes that confinement.   We're possibly not so much profound as simply deep in IT !!

22 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

He did.

No he didn't.  He's mentioned after games that our kicking efficiency and fundamentals have cost us but he's never gone as far as saying "you can't kick and you don't play".   That's a much stronger message to deliver and one that would make clear to all of us that they don't intend to tolerate it anymore.

1 minute ago, Glenn Molloy said:

No he didn't.  He's mentioned after games that our kicking efficiency and fundamentals have cost us but he's never gone as far as saying "you can't kick and you don't play".   That's a much stronger message to deliver and one that would make clear to all of us that they don't intend to tolerate it anymore.

Last I heard Ratten doesn't speak Fugazi...that's our domain. Fugazi= Mumbo Jumbo....and we nail it...on and off the field

 
They all speak Fugazi when it suits.
Some just more than others.

23 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

We are not drafting players who are worse kicks than other teams.

 

Strongly disagree 

I watched Lewis Jetta on Thursday night and I can happily say he is by far one of, if not best kicks in the game. Absolutely love watching him with ball in hand.

Aaron Davey back at his peaks was one of the deadliest kicks in the game also when he was playing off half back.

Much preferred Davey when he was running around the feet of Neitz.
When Neitz retired Daveys protection was gone and he got physically targeted relentlessly.
Which he didn't handle very well.
 

Edited September 8, 20195 yr by Fork 'em

1 hour ago, Fork 'em said:

Much preferred Davey when he was running around the feet of Neitz.
When Neitz retired Daveys protection was gone and he got physically targeted relentlessly.
Which he didn't handle very well.

In a general sense small forwards feed best off good key forwards.  They (small forwards) end up in better spots by default.  They are the add-ons rather than the focus. 

Once they become the focus (or are isolated) they often fall short. 

Hogan went close but we haven't had a decent and consistent KPF since Neitz.  And since Neitz we've played in one final series in a decade.

Medium sized forwards are a different matter ... a forward line can consist of these types primarily but they need to be very good as a collective and as individuals. 

I'd like to see Petracca,  Melksham & Fritsch work together to see if it does work (rotating deep forward and as high half forwards) Jones & Viney could easily be used as small forwards but we haven't seen it.  Not sure why as our forward line didn't function at all well all season.

But if we could land a player like Patton then I'd breath easier.  T-Mac could then go back to being a utility forward and be used up the ground periodically as well.  Weideman gets game time when needed (if form warrants)

We don't need another injury prone player on big coin.

19 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I watched Lewis Jetta on Thursday night and I can happily say he is by far one of, if not best kicks in the game. Absolutely love watching him with ball in hand.

Aaron Davey back at his peaks was one of the deadliest kicks in the game also when he was playing off half back.

Agree dazzler. There was one kick in particular, back into the corridor, that was a thing of beauty.

8 hours ago, binman said:

Agree dazzler. There was one kick in particular, back into the corridor, that was a thing of beauty.

That's the first kick I thought when I wrote that comment. That would have been easily 50m? Was just low and bullet like. Can't wait to watch Jetta this weekend.

19 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

If we are talking about lack of kicking skills then KK was a big loss for us this year.

I saw nothing from him to suggest he's particularly skillful.