A coaching giant

What would it take? 

Would he? Can we?

If he came back, Goodwin would have to leave and the club would be laughed at for eating another big faecal sandwich. 

Won’t happen. 

Ever. 

Saw Roosy at the footy yesterday wearing a Dees scarf.

  On 11/08/2019 at 05:01, Demonland said:

Saw Roosy at the footy yesterday wearing a Dees scarf.

Did u ask him to come back and finish the job??

John Howard made a comeback and led the Coalition to 3 or 4 premierships???

  On 11/08/2019 at 05:15, jumbo returns said:

John Howard made a comeback and led the Coalition to 3 or 4 premierships???

Thanks for that analogy. 

I can see where you’re coming from now. 

Roos gave us Goodwin. It’s like he built us a big new sand castle then sent his clumsy dog over to run through it just for fun.

  On 11/08/2019 at 05:24, McQueen said:

Thanks for that analogy. 

I can see where you’re coming from now. 

Cheers to your smart [censored] sarcasm

A comeback is possible - who gives a [censored] who ends up eating the [censored] sandwich

  On 11/08/2019 at 05:34, jumbo returns said:

Cheers to your smart [censored] sarcasm

A comeback is possible - who gives a [censored] who ends up eating the [censored] sandwich

Sorry for my lame attempt at humour. 

  On 11/08/2019 at 05:43, McQueen said:

Sorry for my lame attempt at humour. 

Apologies - leave it

This team makes us lose the plot at each other

Why would we want Roos? We were crap under him. We got better at flooding back in numbers, but our players made little to no gains offensively or defensively under him. And he seemed as befuddled as anyone as to what it would take to get our players to compete physically for more than 30 minutes per game.

Right now our players routinely look like scared teenagers playing against men. Just like we used to under Roos, under Neeld, under Bailey, on and off under Daniher, and so on.

The coach isn't the problem. This club isn't up for the fight. Starts at the heart of the club (i.e. the supporters) who have low expectations and accept the unacceptable.

Those advocating for a coaching change are gonna be disappointed again in 5 years time when we have a different coach but still serve up the same old thing when under any pressure. 

  On 11/08/2019 at 05:54, rufus said:

Why would we want Roos? We were crap under him. We got better at flooding back in numbers, but our players made little to no gains offensively or defensively under him. And he seemed as befuddled as anyone as to what it would take to get our players to compete physically for more than 30 minutes per game.

Right now our players routinely look like scared teenagers playing against men. Just like we used to under Roos, under Neeld, under Bailey, on and off under Daniher, and so on.

The coach isn't the problem. This club isn't up for the fight. Starts at the heart of the club (i.e. the supporters) who have low expectations and accept the unacceptable.

Those advocating for a coaching change are gonna be disappointed again in 5 years time when we have a different coach but still serve up the same old thing when under any pressure. 

Completely disagree with your 2nd sentence

So...we turn over the list? Again?

No we don't turn over the list at all. We have talent. We've always had talent.

Don't know how you do it, but somehow we need to change the expectations applied to our players. For example, no excuses for last years prelim debacle. We looked petrified and the players should have been called out for it.

There's no excuse, injury/pre season or otherwise for winning less games than Haw/Ess/car/stk/syd for example.

The day before playing the Demons a few weeks ago, I asked an assistant at another club which Melb players they have specific plans for. He said 'honestly, we don't plan much for their individuals. We've approached them the same for many years...physical pressure and run both ways for long enough and they give up.' Had to laugh.

That ship sailed 3 years ago!

My thoughts are we should give Clarko a crack if it all goes pair shape in 2020

Edited August 11, 20195 yr by Demonsone

Absence makes the heart grow fonder...

Roos, last game v Geelong.

Geelong 24:11 Melbourne 6:8

Roos did his job, it was time to move on.

If he did his job well then he picked the right successor...

  On 11/08/2019 at 06:14, rufus said:

No we don't turn over the list at all. We have talent. We've always had talent.

Don't know how you do it, but somehow we need to change the expectations applied to our players. For example, no excuses for last years prelim debacle. We looked petrified and the players should have been called out for it.

There's no excuse, injury/pre season or otherwise for winning less games than Haw/Ess/car/stk/syd for example.

The day before playing the Demons a few weeks ago, I asked an assistant at another club which Melb players they have specific plans for. He said 'honestly, we don't plan much for their individuals. We've approached them the same for many years...physical pressure and run both ways for long enough and they give up.' Had to laugh.

All comes back to Attitude doesn’t it. 

I wonder how we would have gone last friday night in the snow, rather than Whorethorn...?

The last thing we need is Roos as a coach stacking the list with plodding midfielders and creating a game plan of flooding the backline.

Goodwin got the game plan on the right path but there's been a few errors along the way.

Fitness and injury management is the big one. List management has been another - for some reason we've clung too many who clearly weren't going to help us but that loyalty comes about when you think you're closer than you are. Then the coaches have to be responsible for the lack of skill development and the lack of cohesion on field. We pretty much start every game 5 goals down because of a number of players with poor skills and a number of players who repeatedly make the same mistakes in terms of positioning and team work - running to the same space, too many up, not sealing off the corridor or goal square etc.

Would Roos make a good mentor checking in on all things footy department to make sure the above issues are rectified and not repeated - I'd probably say yes. But he also left the club with Goodwin, Mahoney, Misson, Jason Taylor and Brendan McCartney. Probably the 5 pillars of football club and 2 are already gone. If the other 3 are good at their jobs then we'll sort out the problems, if they aren't then Roos was no use to us long term.

  On 11/08/2019 at 07:19, DeeSpencer said:

Would Roos make a good mentor checking in on all things footy department to make sure the above issues are rectified and not repeated - I'd probably say yes. But he also left the club with Goodwin, Mahoney, Misson, Jason Taylor and Brendan McCartney. Probably the 5 pillars of football club and 2 are already gone. If the other 3 are good at their jobs then we'll sort out the problems, if they aren't then Roos was no use to us long term.

Mahoney, Misson and Taylor were at the club before Roos arrived and outside his coaching remit.  McCartney was Goodwin's 'captain's call' as a mentor (who he has now given the flick to).  Drawing a very long bow to blame all those on Roos!!!!

If people can't see the quality of the the top 13-15 players Roos left us with, well they aren't paying attention.  Phenomenal change in the list quality in his three years.  Very few good players have been added since he left, albeit the jury is still out on recent recruits.   What real improvement has there been in our overall list and list balance over the last 3 years; either recruiting or development?  Players have plateaued at best and the list is looking out of balance and average+.

Edited August 11, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

  On 11/08/2019 at 07:53, Lucifer's Hero said:

Mahoney, Misson and Taylor were at the club before Roos arrived and outside his coaching remit.  McCartney was Goodwin's 'captain's call' as a mentor (who he has now given the flick to).  Drawing a very long bow to blame all those on Roos!!!!

If people can't see the quality of the the top 13-15 players Roos left us with, well they aren't paying attention.  Very few good players have been added since he left, albeit the jury is still out on recent recruits.   What real improvement has there been in our overall list and list balance over the last 3 years; either recruiting or development?  Players have plateaued at best and the list is looking average+.

shhh they dont want to hear that.....

  On 11/08/2019 at 07:53, Lucifer's Hero said:

Mahoney, Misson and Taylor were at the club before Roos arrived and outside his coaching remit.  McCartney was Goodwin's 'captain's call' as a mentor (who he has now given the flick to).  Drawing a very long bow to blame all those on Roos!!!!

If people can't see the quality of the the top 13-15 players Roos left us with, well they aren't paying attention.  Very few good players have been added since he left, albeit the jury is still out on recent recruits.   What real improvement has there been in our overall list and list balance over the last 3 years; either recruiting or development?  Players have plateaued at best and the list is looking average+.

Please name these a graders

  On 11/08/2019 at 08:00, Unleash Hell said:

Please name these a graders

I didn't say A graders.  I said the quality of our top 13-15 - I'm sure most people can list those themselves. 

Naming the top quality players added in the three years since he left is much harder. 

Edited August 11, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

  On 11/08/2019 at 07:53, Lucifer's Hero said:

Mahoney, Misson and Taylor were at the club before Roos arrived and outside his coaching remit.  McCartney was Goodwin's 'captain's call' as a mentor (who he has now given the flick to).  Drawing a very long bow to blame all those on Roos!!!!

If people can't see the quality of the the top 13-15 players Roos left us with, well they aren't paying attention.  Very few good players have been added since he left, albeit the jury is still out on recent recruits.   What real improvement has there been in our overall list and list balance over the last 3 years; either recruiting or development?  Players have plateaued at best and the list is looking average+.

I'll give you McCartney but I'll say Roos was still head coach at the time, he had to be ok with the idea and I'm not saying McCartney was even bad, he might've been the right choice for then but not now. Otherwise it was Roos' job to give the tick of approval to the others. PJ bought in Roos to get the footy department right. If he had no faith in Mahoney, Misson, Taylor and Goodwin then what the hell did we pay him megabucks for if they were going to out last him? Roos wasn't a standard senior coach with a team around him, he surely had both the power and the responsibility to make changes anywhere in the footy department.

  On 11/08/2019 at 08:04, Lucifer's Hero said:

I didn't say A graders.  I said the quality of our top 13-15 - I'm sure most people can list those themselves. 

Naming the top quality players added in the three years since he left is much harder. 

Ok fair call. Im still interested who they are.

I rekon we'll find they aren't that good

Wasn't rRoos also the one in charge who cost us Kelly?