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  On 29/07/2019 at 09:31, Chook said:

Our press is far too high. That's reason 1..100 of why we're terrible this year. Reason 101 is that we don't know how to slow the game down when we have to.

We've been trying to do that more over recent weeks but when you're forward line is bereft of marking targets because they're all injured it makes things a bit difficult. Hence the turnovers.

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    Just because Goodwin did an apprenticeship under Roo's doesn't mean he actually learnt anything....he has moved further and further away from that game style and structure we used to play since he became the coach.

    More apprentices end up being nothing more than bum employees than success managers.

     

     

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      On 29/07/2019 at 10:30, Demonsone said:

    Every other coach including the top teams have dealt with the 666.. if Goodwin hasn’t he should sacked...pure & simple the game evolves & coaches need to adapt. Roos implemented to work both ways ... what’s happened to that foundation???

    Strategy and game plan is not only the coaches jobs Craig Jennings is the strategy man, he has not been able to adjust the game plan with the 666 rule, Jennings has to go, just like essendon did with neeld he was the strategy  and game plan man. this is not the 80's where the coach was the main man, Jennings should have gone mid season.

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      On 29/07/2019 at 01:27, Demon3 said:

    Goodwin is lost, Jennings is lost, the players look lost, the Leaders are not leading, the club is sick and has been all year. 

    Players in the press basically admitting no one has any idea whats going wrong, Max saying they are a long way from a  basic AFL team, Lever saying they fundamentals are not there.. its just bloody embarrassing, it really is, its a total unmitigated disaster and no one can arrest it. 

    It goes without saying that massive team structures and coaching gamestyle need Urgent attention.

    Players , coaches, support staff , ALL are on notice.

    We would want to see instant successes next year. If we serve up the same rubbish next year, I reckon Goodwin will be gone by about round 4-6.

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      On 31/07/2019 at 02:25, Dee Watcher said:

    Just because Goodwin did an apprenticeship under Roo's doesn't mean he actually learnt anything....he has moved further and further away from that game style and structure we used to play since he became the coach.

    More apprentices end up being nothing more than bum employees than success managers.

     

     

    Goodwin did far more of an apprenticeship under Hird and Thompson... Pedigree stuff eh ??

    Curiously  Macca is a common factor too

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      On 29/07/2019 at 03:30, DeeSpencer said:

    If you can’t run - speed and endurance - and can’t reliably hit targets and don’t have big men to create a contest then you can’t create any kind of game plan that works. 

    Watch the first 10 minutes against the Saints where we were full of confidence and trusting the plan and we looked very good. As soon as fatigue and doubt crept in the side dropped away. 

    I like your first paragraph.

     

    As for the first 10 minutes v Saints, that was simply due to Gawn dominating.  As soon as Marshall neutralised him, we were shot.

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      On 29/07/2019 at 11:49, chookrat said:

    Great post. I have been pretty supportive of the club and our coaches and while this year has been an on field disaster I'm still confident this year is an abberation. This said if we're in the same position again next year heading into the bye then Goodwin will have a tough time keeping his job.

    I reckon we will see some significant changes in the Footy Department at the end of season along with players. 

    My issue with seeing this year as an aberration is that it doesn't prompt change. We need to see it as a trend that requires change otherwise we won't improve.

    We have the arrogance of Hawthorn yet the record of a minnow. We can't afford to "hope" this year was an aberration. You don't finish 17th by chance. We need to make big changes this offseason. Otherwise I can't see us making finals.

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      On 31/07/2019 at 21:38, praha said:

    My issue with seeing this year as an aberration is that it doesn't prompt change. We need to see it as a trend that requires change otherwise we won't improve.

    We have the arrogance of Hawthorn yet the record of a minnow. We can't afford to "hope" this year was an aberration. You don't finish 17th by chance. We need to make big changes this offseason. Otherwise I can't see us making finals.

    Great post as usual

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      On 31/07/2019 at 21:38, praha said:

     

    We have the arrogance of Hawthorn yet the record of a minnow. We can't afford to "hope" this year was an aberration. You don't finish 17th by chance. We need to make big changes this offseason. Otherwise I can't see us making finals.

    Yes exactly. This is not a “chance” situation. The problem needs to be isolated and removed. 

    I am hoping the Darren Burgess appointment is the main issue fixed. But anything else needs to be sorted

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      On 31/07/2019 at 13:31, TGR said:

    I like your first paragraph.

     

    As for the first 10 minutes v Saints, that was simply due to Gawn dominating.  As soon as Marshall neutralised him, we were shot.

    Not sure if a trend but often when we jump out of the blocks, start trashing the opposition and score heavily for about ten minutes we then proceed to fall apart. Has happened quite few times in the past few of years. The saints this season as well Adelaide and Port. Last season it was the Saints again and Hawthorn. GWS did to us the previous season as well as few more I can’t remember. 

     

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    Speaking about north melb. Imagine a club having a 10 year coach who apparently leaves mutually with 18 mths to go. If mutual why not line it up?

    Then the caretaker wins 4 from 8 and they appoint him. 

    Sounds like a rabble if a club. 

    And they might have to pay 800k for Scott. Good lord 

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      On 31/07/2019 at 21:38, praha said:

    My issue with seeing this year as an aberration is that it doesn't prompt change. We need to see it as a trend that requires change otherwise we won't improve.

    We have the arrogance of Hawthorn yet the record of a minnow. We can't afford to "hope" this year was an aberration. You don't finish 17th by chance. We need to make big changes this offseason. Otherwise I can't see us making finals.

    Great post. Pert can start with firing the recruiting staff and poaching recruiters from a club who get it right. Start with Geelong, West Coast and the Dogs.

    Goodwin will be a memory by round 11 next year if it looks like finals are a pipe dream again.

    Frankly I don’t like his chances even with some radical changes in on and off field personnel. Just looks out of his depth.

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      On 01/08/2019 at 22:41, Matsuo Basho said:

    Great post. Pert can start with firing the recruiting staff and poaching recruiters from a club who get it right. Start with Geelong, West Coast and the Dogs.

    Goodwin will be a memory by round 11 next year if it looks like finals are a pipe dream again.

    Frankly I don’t like his chances even with some radical changes in on and off field personnel. Just looks out of his depth.

    MB...im not convinced the recruiters are our main deficiency. They simply showcase and catalogue those that are provided. The Coach and his gang of clowns are the ones who then go shopping. Id the Recruiters are rounded up and headed in a particular direction...concern yourself possibly more with those giving said directions..it's just a view  ;)

    I do concur that I have seen nothing from the coach(s) to suggest they are dealing well with their situation.....more akin to flailing in the quicksand.

    Finals in 2020 are already a pipe dream imho. At best all that would happen is an attempted reboot of the latter half of 2018 to only end in a similar demise...but happening before the finals of 2020.

    We have the wrong idea about how to play footy...and we bring , in the main , the wrong cast and kit bag to complement this ideal.

    I will, though, look on with great interest to see what we DO do over the off season. Maybe our future will look clearer then. All I see is a swampy mist at present. ( need to drain the swamp )

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