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I will put what little money I have, and although I know the recruiters are excited by the prospect of Pickett, there is no chance we are taking him at 10.

I have been told Jackson’s 3, they believe Stephens at 10 (or someone who slides) and possibly Pickett at 28.

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8 minutes ago, Yokozuna said:

I will put what little money I have, and although I know the recruiters are excited by the prospect of Pickett, there is no chance we are taking him at 10.

I have been told Jackson’s 3, they believe Stephens at 10 (or someone who slides) and possibly Pickett at 28.

“Told” by who? The Dogs have been keeping an eye on him for some time too. I wonder if they might take him at 13?

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4 minutes ago, Dees247 said:

“Told” by who?

Told by a source who I trust. Was told about Jackson before it came out in the press.

The club, from what I can understand, are leaning to Jackson, but are not 100%.

They are also undecided on who they would prefer from that next bunch of players, and seems as though they are happy to gain any number of them, thus the pick swaps, but they seem to think that stephens will be the one available then for whatever reason.

They do want a small forward and rate both weightman and Pickett highly, but I can’t see them taking Pickett at 10, possibly Weightman.

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On 11/8/2019 at 6:57 PM, Axis of Bob said:

Good stuff, RN. A classy response.

I’m happy that you’re excited about the draft and I (and many others) genuinely appreciate the information you bring into these threads. The absence of uncertainty is just a bit of a bugbear of mine (and obviously old55 too). 

I hope that you continue posting frequently in the lead up to, and after, the draft, as it’s clear that you are obviously doing a lot of research on the kids and that makes Demonland a better forum. 👍

We research, we spread opinions, we listen and observe those employed to comment. At the end of the day, we must concentrate - as a Club - on the good fortunes that we have within the draft processes and analyse the individuals for team performance, team development and at the individual levels, better develop those recruits that we obtain. If we'd recruited, for example, a Wayne Carey, I would still wish that he had continuous development before him in the Dees camp, almost from an individual coach and mentor. Transpose that concept to our current talented ones - the team development and individual excellence has been overlooked, it appears, once a threshold level of competence has been achieved. 

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2 minutes ago, Yokozuna said:

Told by a source who I trust. Was told about Jackson before it came out in the press.

The club, from what I can understand, are leaning to Jackson, but are not 100%.

They are also undecided on who they would prefer from that next bunch of players, and seems as though they are happy to gain any number of them, thus the pick swaps, but they seem to think that stephens will be the one available then for whatever reason.

They do want a small forward and rate both weightman and Pickett highly, but I can’t see them taking Pickett at 10, possibly Weightman.

Are you suggesting we may be leaning a bit towards Green? I hope you are right about Stephens. I have always thought we were going to take Weightman with our second pick, even when we had 8. Jackson/Green, Stephens & Pickett would be the dream result, but I don’t think Pickett will get through to 28.

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Having just read that, maybe my money isn’t safe!

 

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1 minute ago, Carn dees said:

Could you post the article if possible ? 

Thanks 

Posting full articles is against the site rules. It would only get deleted.

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2 minutes ago, ding said:

Posting full articles is against the site rules. It would only get deleted.

Haha okay... 

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I’d love to get Pickett. But 10 feels a reach to me. Although I wonder how keen the Hawk are at 11. 
Pickett is the type we need. But I think we’ll be able to split 10 and get him. 

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3 hours ago, ProDee said:

I'm conflicted. 

Pickett is exactly what we need, but a needs based top 10 pick ?

I'll rationalise it as a broader list management decision that helps with the final touches.

I'm hoping Prodee  we hold the pick till draft night, to see who slides, there's always one. I'm certainly not in favour of Pickett at 10.  I see picks possibly going

1. Rowell Suns

2. Anderson Suns

3. Jackson Dees

4. Young/Ash GWS

5. Green GWS matching Sydney's bid

6. Flanders Swans

7. Mcasey/Ash/Young Crows

8. Robertson Freo

9. Stephens/Ash/Young Freo

10. Henry Freo matchin Blues bid

11. Kemp/Serong Blues

12. Who do we take from the possible slider if it's Serong Ash or Young there's no question we take them. Stephens whilst outside fills another need as a Gaff type. Kemp I like and I'd take him at this pick but if we're foucussed on others I think the Cats will look at jumping ahead of the Hawks and be open to a live trade, which could be worth looking at.

I've seen a fair bit of Elijah Taylor and really rate him, with plenty if upside. I think he, Jeremy Sharp or Trent Rivers could be available at 28. With Sharp the least likely 

I've seen a fair bit of them all and whilst they are all WA boys, it's where I live so see these boys the most and think they can fill the half back flank or small forward we need and I'd be inclined to target whichever one (position) we don't take at pick 10

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I want Pickett at the Dees!
 

If it’s Pick 10 it’s Pick 10. So be it! 
 

 

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Suggestions in the press that we should not pick up Jackson or Pickett at 3 and 10 because rucks and small forwards get picked up later than those picks is the 'Gamblers fallacy' at work. Ie, 4 spins show 4 consecutive reds. You base your call on the next spin on those past spins ie you think red is on a big run and will continue or its time that black turned up. The reality is that every spin is completely independent of past spins. Each draft pick is independent from other picks, each player is different and each assessment by recruiters will be different. So Taylors call will be based on player assessment alone with a tiny pinch of needs maybe thrown in especially at 10. Whether rucks or small forwards at high picks have dudded in the past will not be a consideration. An example is Grundy slipping. High end talent but clubs were scared/worried about  wasting a high pick on a ruck in case it turned up a dud. Whereas each player should be assessed independently. Luckily our recruiting staff are well aware of this. They were keen on Oliver when he was not talked about as an early pick.

If Taylor and recruiting staff after expert deliberation  consider those 2 players are the best available at those picks then so be it. Pickett has loads of speed, goal sense, reads the fall of the ball well around goals and has great forward defensive pressure. He is likely eventually to play as a mid or be a mid option. He can worry opposition in the air as well. The big thing Pickett has got going for him is that he has those close to goal skills that no one at the club has.  We get the ball inside 50 and it comes straight back. Players like Pickett have the ability to intercept those ground balls inside 50 and create headaches for the opposition. 

Jackson can play forward as well as ruck and maybe high half forward. He may even be able to pinch hit later as a mid. As a ruck he may be almost an extra mid. He offers some insurance against ruck/forward injuries that may occur. Best of all he has bucket loads of talent.

I am not qualified to make a call but if Taylor calls their names at 3 and 10 I will understand the reasons behind it. They have done all the groundwork.

 

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If we take Pickett at 10. I would be inclined to take another small/pressure forward at 28 as well! 
 

Small forwards have been non existent in a Dees team for quite some time. Two in our F50 is a game breaker and I think gives us a significant edge.

As Goody said! We have no problem getting it in there...

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8 minutes ago, manny100 said:

Suggestions in the press that we should not pick up Jackson or Pickett at 3 and 10 because rucks and small forwards get picked up later than those picks is the 'Gamblers fallacy' at work. Ie, 4 spins show 4 consecutive reds. You base your call on the next spin on those past spins ie you think red is on a big run and will continue or its time that black turned up. The reality is that every spin is completely independent of past spins. Each draft pick is independent from other picks, each player is different and each assessment by recruiters will be different. So Taylors call will be based on player assessment alone with a tiny pinch of needs maybe thrown in especially at 10. Whether rucks or small forwards at high picks have dudded in the past will not be a consideration. An example is Grundy slipping. High end talent but clubs were scared/worried about  wasting a high pick on a ruck in case it turned up a dud. Whereas each player should be assessed independently. Luckily our recruiting staff are well aware of this. They were keen on Oliver when he was not talked about as an early pick.

If Taylor and recruiting staff after expert deliberation  consider those 2 players are the best available at those picks then so be it. Pickett has loads of speed, goal sense, reads the fall of the ball well around goals and has great forward defensive pressure. He is likely eventually to play as a mid or be a mid option. He can worry opposition in the air as well. The big thing Pickett has got going for him is that he has those close to goal skills that no one at the club has.  We get the ball inside 50 and it comes straight back. Players like Pickett have the ability to intercept those ground balls inside 50 and create headaches for the opposition. 

Jackson can play forward as well as ruck and maybe high half forward. He may even be able to pinch hit later as a mid. As a ruck he may be almost an extra mid. He offers some insurance against ruck/forward injuries that may occur. Best of all he has bucket loads of talent.

I am not qualified to make a call but if Taylor calls their names at 3 and 10 I will understand the reasons behind it. They have done all the groundwork.

 

Great post & well set out. 

I also have no expertise nor solid info outside of d/land so we can only trust Taylor and Co to make the  right call.

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4 minutes ago, Dee tention said:

If we take Pickett at 10. I would be inclined to take another small/pressure forward at 28 as well! 
 

Small forwards have been non existent in a Dees team for quite some time. Two in our F50 is a game breaker and I think gives us a significant edge.

As Goody said! We have no problem getting it in there...

Weightman and Pickett  , imagine that.  The list would go from  boring to exciting in one night.  And with Bennell  to come too, if all goes well.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I reckon i'd prefer to grab 12 and 18 off Port 

Get Serong at 12 and hope that Pickett makes it to 18 which he may well.

Great idea, except they are looking at picking him as well.

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27 minutes ago, manny100 said:

Suggestions in the press that we should not pick up Jackson or Pickett at 3 and 10 because rucks and small forwards get picked up later than those picks is the 'Gamblers fallacy' at work. Ie, 4 spins show 4 consecutive reds. You base your call on the next spin on those past spins ie you think red is on a big run and will continue or its time that black turned up. The reality is that every spin is completely independent of past spins. Each draft pick is independent from other picks, each player is different and each assessment by recruiters will be different. So Taylors call will be based on player assessment alone with a tiny pinch of needs maybe thrown in especially at 10. Whether rucks or small forwards at high picks have dudded in the past will not be a consideration. An example is Grundy slipping. High end talent but clubs were scared/worried about  wasting a high pick on a ruck in case it turned up a dud. Whereas each player should be assessed independently. Luckily our recruiting staff are well aware of this. They were keen on Oliver when he was not talked about as an early pick.

If Taylor and recruiting staff after expert deliberation  consider those 2 players are the best available at those picks then so be it. Pickett has loads of speed, goal sense, reads the fall of the ball well around goals and has great forward defensive pressure. He is likely eventually to play as a mid or be a mid option. He can worry opposition in the air as well. The big thing Pickett has got going for him is that he has those close to goal skills that no one at the club has.  We get the ball inside 50 and it comes straight back. Players like Pickett have the ability to intercept those ground balls inside 50 and create headaches for the opposition. 

Jackson can play forward as well as ruck and maybe high half forward. He may even be able to pinch hit later as a mid. As a ruck he may be almost an extra mid. He offers some insurance against ruck/forward injuries that may occur. Best of all he has bucket loads of talent.

I am not qualified to make a call but if Taylor calls their names at 3 and 10 I will understand the reasons behind it. They have done all the groundwork.

 

Jackson himself states he is a ruckman that is looking at becoming a forward. So not really a KPF. Pickett is rather short and light weight wise, not really a mid type player unless he grows  a fair bit. I think 3 and 10 are better used elsewhere. Just my opinion.

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13 minutes ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

Weightman and Pickett  , imagine that.  The list would go from  boring to exciting in one night.  And with Bennell  to come too, if all goes well.

 

 

I think Weightman ends up at the Dogs 🐶 

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After further thought...

Melbourne don't consider themselves a 17th ranked team, in fact, they think they can win the flag in 2020 (courtesy of a recent lunch Goodwin attended with some supporters).

So clearly, rightly or wrongly, they see the list differently to most footy pundits.

With this framework in mind, if they see a player like Pickett as the missing ingredient in the forward half with his flair and pressure skills they have a dilemma.  They'd recognise that he's probably not worthy of a pick 10 (or 11-12) selection, but they also know through the jungle drums he won't be available at their next selection (28).

Do they take Stephens, Young/Ash or Serong, whose resumes read better ?  Or do they take the player who's more important to the overall makeup of the team, i.e. Pickett ?  They've got guys like Salem, Hibberd, Hore, and now Harmes earmarked for defence, so while Young and Ash would be great there's not as much of a need, and with the addition of Langdon and Tomlinson (hopefully vandenBerg) they can cope without Stephens.

They'd love them all, but there's just one pick.  You can't use a pick you don't have, so I get why you'd use the only pick you do have. 

And to add... I think most clubs would have taken note as to how much positive impact Flyin Ryan and Willie Rioli had on West Coast's last couple of years. 

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38 minutes ago, ProDee said:

 

And to add... I think most clubs would have taken note as to how much positive impact Flyin Ryan and Willie Rioli had on West Coast's last couple of years. 

I like the logic in all of that but....

We also haven’t had a first round pick for 4 years and pick 10 comes from next years pick when the view of the list could be significantly difference. Vince, Lewis gone, Jones all but, Hibbo and Nev possibly soon. That’s a lot of steady quality going/gone. 

Whilst Ryan and Rioli were involved it was the bland and unspectacular top 10 pick Dom Sheed who had 30 touches and kicked the match winner. I’m inclined to be conservative and take the player who’s more cake than icing. 

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