2 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

That would concern me.  Goodwin, Plapp and Chaplin inexperienced and we don't have a forward coach.  They didn't do well when we hit rough water.

Jennings' role was 'strategy', effectively our 'brains trust'.  He served us very well for until this year.  But so many things went wrong this year it can't be put down to his strategy work.

Goodwin needs more and better help than he had last year not less.  Extra unnecessary burden on him if Jennings is not replaced. 

I think there in lies the problem, Jennings became the brains trust for the lot and not the actual coach. I reckon they are stripping it back. 

17 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

So we were told that all vacant have been filled, yet now report has come out that we are still in the hunt for another coach?

Something not adding up....

Looking back at Mahoney's interview last friday, and taking my MFC goggles off, I think Mahoney was ambushed by the question. He wasn't expecting it and ended up floundering through it. I think he meant that we weren't looking at any more coaches because we may have already decided on them and are just filling in the minor details before we announce the signings.

Edited October 7, 20195 yr by AshleyH30

2 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

I think there in lies the problem, Jennings became the brains trust for the lot and not the actual coach. I reckon they are stripping it back. 

If Jennings overstepped his remit that is an issue with Jennings not the reason to cease the role.  Many clubs have a strategy coach, including Clarkson.

Interestingly when Geelong (Bomber), Richmond (Hardwick) and Collingwood (Buckley) did their big reviews they took tasks off the senior coach and/or taught them to delegate and it did wonders delivering premierships and GF appearances.  I would be concerned if we were doing the opposite and putting more work on Goodwin. 

He has more than enough to worry about without doing all the strategy work. 

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

If Jennings overstepped his remit that is an issue with Jennings not the reason to cease the role.

Just out of interest...

Has Jennings got another job yet.

I know he was looking to coach his won team.

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

If Jennings overstepped his remit that is an issue with Jennings not the reason to cease the role.  Many clubs have a strategy coach, including Clarkson.

Interestingly when Geelong (Bomber), Richmond (Hardwick) and Collingwood (Buckley) did their big reviews they took tasks off the senior coach and/or taught them to delegate and it did wonders delivering premierships and GF appearances.  I would be concerned if we were doing the opposite and putting more work on Goodwin. 

He has more than enough to worry about without doing all the strategy work. 

i didn't say he overstepped at all,  i just think they relied on him to much and stripping it back isn't such a bad thing IMO, there are way to many coaches at a football club as it stands. 

Look who knows, we will possibly get a strategic coach, but maybe, just maybe, the coach might end up being that. Who knows.

20 minutes ago, rjay said:

Just out of interest...

Has Jennings got another job yet.

I know he was looking to coach his won team.

Haven't noticed any reports. 

12 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

i didn't say he overstepped at all,  i just think they relied on him to much and stripping it back isn't such a bad thing IMO, there are way to many coaches at a football club as it stands. 

Look who knows, we will possibly get a strategic coach, but maybe, just maybe, the coach might end up being that. Who knows.

Apologies, misinterpretation on my part.

Still feel Goodwin needs more and better experience than less.  But as you say, who knows.  All will be revealed soon, I hope.

21 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Apologies, misinterpretation on my part.

Still feel Goodwin needs more and better experience than less.  But as you say, who knows.  All will be revealed soon, I hope.

All good LH, I probably didn't explain it to well. Certainly agree that Goody needs help, Hopefully Richo can do that and i hope he himself can step up and loosen up. 

In case anyone was considering it, Gary Ayres has re-signed with The Borough for 2020 so won't be re-entering the AFL ranks.

 

On 9/11/2019 at 10:16 AM, Davos said:

Throw all the $$$ at Matty Scarlett. Fat chance he'd even consider leaving Geelong, but getting him would go a long way to helping us with our defensive issues. 

Scarlett was a top grade beckman, but what is his coaching pedigree?

Just being a top player doesn't make one a top coach - Voss, Hird, and even over his first few years, Buckley spring to mind:

and, conversely, I don't remember Clarkson as being a top player but his coaching career has been "pretty reasonable".

5 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

So we were told that all vacant have been filled, yet now report has come out that we are still in the hunt for another coach?

Something not adding up....

Maybe that is the real problem - 1,2,3,4 quarters in a game, not just 1,2,3, or 1,2, or 1, or 0 !

8 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

If Jennings overstepped his remit that is an issue with Jennings not the reason to cease the role.  Many clubs have a strategy coach, including Clarkson.

Interestingly when Geelong (Bomber), Richmond (Hardwick) and Collingwood (Buckley) did their big reviews they took tasks off the senior coach and/or taught them to delegate and it did wonders delivering premierships and GF appearances.  I would be concerned if we were doing the opposite and putting more work on Goodwin. 

He has more than enough to worry about without doing all the strategy work. 

Didnt we appoint Alan Richardson to take tasks off the senior coach?

On 10/8/2019 at 3:23 PM, monoccular said:

Scarlett was a top grade beckman, but what is his coaching pedigree?

Just being a top player doesn't make one a top coach - Voss, Hird, and even over his first few years, Buckley spring to mind:

and, conversely, I don't remember Clarkson as being a top player but his coaching career has been "pretty reasonable".

Maybe that is the real problem - 1,2,3,4 quarters in a game, not just 1,2,3, or 1,2, or 1, or 0 !

He's Geelong's backline coach. That unit outperforms their individual quality. 

Burton and Camporeale leaving the Crows. Any interest? Might be remembering wrong, but seem to recall Camporeale being highly rated at one point?

 

Burton reportedly a major factor behind the issues at the Crows.  Wouldn’t go anywhere near him from what I’ve heard. 

Not sure about Camporeale.

16 minutes ago, hells bells said:

Burton reportedly a major factor behind the issues at the Crows.  Wouldn’t go anywhere near him from what I’ve heard. 

Not sure about Camporeale.

Yeah sorry, should have made it clearer in my post that Camporeale was the only one I would consider. Burton is absolutely hated by Adelaide fans.

 

Mahoney said that our coaching structure if set for next season.

What a the announcement about you were talking about @Mach5 if it's all finalized?

Edited October 11, 20195 yr by dazzledavey36

6 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Burton and Camporeale leaving the Crows. Any interest? Might be remembering wrong, but seem to recall Camporeale being highly rated at one point?

 

Definitely not Burton.  I have heard he is terrible. 

so if the structure is set, does that mean that we already have our 'assistant' to goodwin? or, that they have decided on the structure and that there still might be new staff? confusing language..

 

40 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Definitely not Burton.  I have heard he is terrible. 

Yeah, my post wasn't very clear I realized afterwards. Camporeale was the one I was talking about in an assistant coach capacity. He might not have come on, but I seem to remember a few years ago he was all the rage.

 

11 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Yeah, my post wasn't very clear I realized afterwards. Camporeale was the one I was talking about in an assistant coach capacity. He might not have come on, but I seem to remember a few years ago he was all the rage.

 

I think he coached for a bit also after Phil Walsh. 

Melbourne seems to have really reduced the amount of assistant coaches, which seems odd. 

I do know they were after John Barker but he ended up staying at Carlton, it’s strange they are still not looking for another one. 

Edited October 11, 20195 yr by Demons11

3 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

I think he coached for a bit also after Phil Walsh. 

Melbourne seems to have really reduced the amount of assistant coaches, which seems odd. 

I do know they were after John Barker but he ended up staying at Carlton, it’s strange they are still not looking for another one. 

Seems to be a bit like the re-signing batch we had where they did it over time but then put out the one announcement later on.

Weird way to do it, but from what I've seen most (if not all) clubs have taken down their staff pages from their websites so maybe there's some new procedure or some other reason behind the scenes.

 

For those still interested, at some point in the last few days melbourne has updated the coaches page on the website. The only changes are the removal of Jennings, Mccartney and rawlings. 

But, Richardson has not been added yet. Could that mean there are still some pending incoming coaches annoucements?

Rooke is still there listed as a development coach so he is probably staying now.

Edited October 21, 20195 yr by trac5665
spelling bad

8 minutes ago, trac5665 said:

But, Richardson has not been added yet

May be as simple as him not being on the payroll as yet.

The coaches have a common sign on/sign off date which is around now as I understand it. The ones who moved on would have been paid out to that date one assumes.

Soft salary caps and our financial position may preclude early sign ons.

Then again it could just be an oversight.

18 minutes ago, trac5665 said:

For those still interested, at some point in the last few days melbourne has updated the coaches page on the website. The only changes are the removal of Jennings, Mccartney and rawlings. 

But, Richardson has not been added yet. Could that mean there are still some pending incoming coaches annoucements?

Rooke is still there listed as a development coach so he is probably staying now.

Welcome to Demonland.

They have also updated the player profiles page to include Tomlinson and Langdon sans the numbers that they will have.

Billy Stretch and JKH are still there (only delisted today) but they've removed the recently retired and other previously delisted players.

Mahoney has said on I believe two radio interviews that there will be no more changes in or out to the coaching staff.

2 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

May be as simple as him not being on the payroll as yet.

The coaches have a common sign on/sign off date which is around now as I understand it. The ones who moved on would have been paid out to that date one assumes.

Soft salary caps and our financial position may preclude early sign ons.

Then again it could just be an oversight.

I believe Mahoney also mentioned that Richardson hadn't officially started but had been down to the club on multiple occasions.