Crowd incident - Hawks Dees

[jnrmac 20,055]

Plenty of virtue signalling BS going on here when no one knows the full story

What was the bald guy doing walking out with a beer. They don't allow you to leave the bar with a beer in your hand?

And what were the 'disabled' guys carer(s) doing allowing him to get into a verbal altercation and then knock a beer out of someone's hand?

Too many unkowns here to jump to conclusions

[Nasher 33,607]

18 minutes ago, Dee Dubya said:

Stand down Dee Spencer- SJWs are busy displaying their virtuous superiority.

If thinking people should be above throwing punches at anyone makes me a virtuously superior SJW, sign me up ?

[jnrmac 20,055]

59 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Here's a taste of the Hawthorn supporter.
 

 

"go off into the night and punch a wall if you have to"

"F*** you dogs"

Interesting guy.

[jnrmac 20,055]

39 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Your point?

hyperbole I'd suggest

[Beetle 4,601]

7 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Plenty of virtue signalling BS going on here when no one knows the full story

What was the bald guy doing walking out with a beer. They don't allow you to leave the bar with a beer in your hand?

And what were the 'disabled' guys carer(s) doing allowing him to get into a verbal altercation and then knock a beer out of someone's hand?

Too many unkowns here to jump to conclusions

He was still in the ground standing when it was knocked out of his hand...he wasn’t walking out of the ground. It was a plastic cup which is allowed in the outer.

The “disabled” man isn’t so disabled to require a carer, going by his interviews on Hawthorn Fan TV.

 

Edited May 5, 2019 by Beetle

[Nasher 33,607]

26 minutes ago, brendan said:

This is why both people should be banned he clearly can’t control his emotions, got pretty fired up at the saints supporters 

How many people did he punch?

[Nasher 33,607]

Just now, jnrmac said:

hyperbole I'd suggest

His point was that it was only a light bashing. It’s fine to bash someone if they mouth off a bit.

By the way, he has no idea what I have and haven’t seen.

[jnrmac 20,055]

2 minutes ago, Beetle said:

He was still in the ground standing when it was knocked out of his hand...he wasn’t walking out of the ground. It was a plastic cup which is allowed in the outer.

The “disabled” man isn’t so disabled to require a carer, going by his interviews on Hawthorn Fan TV.

 

I just read in  The AGE that the 'disabled' man admitted throwing beer over the bald guy. So it may not be as some here have suggested. The guy clearly uses profanities freely so may not be as blameless as people are suggesting.

Nonetheless it's just too hard to know what the real story is. Let the police do their job  

[Nasher 33,607]

9 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

I just read in  The AGE that the 'disabled' man admitted throwing beer over the bald guy. So it may not be as some here have suggested. The guy clearly uses profanities freely so may not be as blameless as people are suggesting.

Nonetheless it's just too hard to know what the real story is. Let the police do their job  

I agree strongly with your last line, but I just want to say that nobody has suggested he’s blameless. He is obviously a loose unit and by all accounts, poured plenty of petrol on the fire. 

[ProperDee 1,698]

Apparent minor offence, likely common assault. If the offender has been released following interview pending a summons that tells me:that he has no criminal history for similar offences (or he would have been bailed). He will receive a good behaviour bond.

This type of behaviour happens numerous times over any given weekend right around the country. Fools turn into “Beeroes” after a gutful of grog and want to punch somebody else. If that outrages you, I’d like to see the response to something serious like murder, rape, armed robbery, child sex offences, drug importation and multiple fatality vehicle collisions. Save the “outrage” for the victims of the  low life’s that commit or cause those incidents.

[DV8 2,271]

16 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Plenty of virtue signalling BS going on here when no one knows the full story

What was the bald guy doing walking out with a beer. They don't allow you to leave the bar with a beer in your hand?

And what were the 'disabled' guys carer(s) doing allowing him to get into a verbal altercation and then knock a beer out of someone's hand?

Too many unkowns here to jump to conclusions

agreed jrMc.

Disabled... very difficult to tell he's disabled,  if your saw him at the footy being interviewed.  especially if he'd been drinking.?

[loges 6,767]

2 hours ago, Thehardtackler said:

I heard from a friend who attended the match that the Hawks supporters were very abusive when they thought they would beat us. Then they went quiet when we won.

What this guy did was totally unacceptable but the AFL is largely to blame. I don’t take my young children to the football very often because in the last 10 years the behaviour of opposition fans has deteriorated immensely, largely because so many thugs seem intent on getting smashed on beer and insulting our supporters, rather than being true football fans.

The AFL don’t care. They just want increased revenue.

The first match I ever took my son to, 5 years ago a Bulldogs fan king hit an older Demons supporter right next to us at the end of the game. It was pretty awful stuff and I see trouble nearly every match I attend now. I think that crowd segregation will arrive sooner rather than later if the AFL does not prioritise the game rather than simply making big profits.

Very interesting post. reason being I went to the Anzac day games, both ours and the NRL match. I would have thought with the constant tackling in the NRL the supporting would be very aggressive. To my surprise the Supporting at AFL games is far more aggressive than what I experienced at the NRL.

[DV8 2,271]

10 minutes ago, Nasher said:

His point was that it was only a light bashing. It’s fine to bash someone if they mouth off a bit.

By the way, he has no idea what I have and haven’t seen.

Is it OK for someone to slap someone else on the face, Nash ?

[Thehardtackler 785]

2 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

Apparent minor offence, likely common assault. If the offender has been released following interview pending a summons that tells me:that he has no criminal history for similar offences (or he would have been bailed). He will receive a good behaviour bond.

This type of behaviour happens numerous times over any given weekend right around the country. Fools turn into “Beeroes” after a gutful of grog and want to punch somebody else. If that outrages you, I’d like to see the response to something serious like murder, rape, armed robbery, child sex offences, drug importation and multiple fatality vehicle collisions. Save the “outrage” for the victims of the  low life’s that commit or cause those incidents.

If it was your child they were bashing, then you might think differently. Football and beer don’t mix well. Watch the match at home or the pub if you want to get drunk. Otherwise go and actually enjoy the football!

[Nasher 33,607]

1 minute ago, DV8 said:

Is it OK for someone to slap someone else on the face, Nash ?

Relevance, your honour?

[Beetle 4,601]

Just now, ProperDee said:

Apparent minor offence, likely common assault. If the offender has been released following interview pending a summons that tells me:that he has no criminal history for similar offences (or he would have been bailed). He will receive a good behaviour bond.

As there are no apparent injuries to the victim, it is regarded as unlawful assault which is a summary offence, with no arrest powers.

A “field” interview is conducted, therefore he is not placed in police custody and can’t be bailed. 

If charges are laid then he will appear in court via summons. 

Prior convictions don’t have anything to do with it, until he potentially appears in court.

 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,826]

31 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

Apparent minor offence, likely common assault. If the offender has been released following interview pending a summons that tells me:that he has no criminal history for similar offences (or he would have been bailed). He will receive a good behaviour bond.

This type of behaviour happens numerous times over any given weekend right around the country. Fools turn into “Beeroes” after a gutful of grog and want to punch somebody else. If that outrages you, I’d like to see the response to something serious like murder, rape, armed robbery, child sex offences, drug importation and multiple fatality vehicle collisions. Save the “outrage” for the victims of the  low life’s that commit or cause those incidents.

If the ‘disabled’ guy threw the beer over the Melbourne supporter and the Melbourne supporter retaliated by punching him, he won’t even be charged. There’s plenty of defences to assault and he has one. 

If you don’t want to be punched, don’t assault someone by throwing a beer over them. Simple. 

And ‘clearly disabled’? Pull the other one. The latest updates as reported on the news support my first post. 

Edited May 5, 2019 by Ethan Tremblay

[DV8 2,271]

8 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Relevance, your honour?

Just say what you think... do you think it is OK, to slap another person to the face?

yes or no ?

[Thehardtackler 785]

 

9 minutes ago, loges said:

Very interesting post. reason being I went to the Anzac day games, both ours and the NRL match. I would have thought with the constant tackling in the NRL the supporting would be very aggressive. To my surprise the Supporting at AFL games is far more aggressive than what I experienced at the NRL.

Would you try punching fans who are often 1.88  metres and taller, weighing over 100kgs? Rugby is a tough game. Those guys have less antagonism in their blood.

The really tough players in the AFL often don’t get involved in all that wrestling and elbowing on the field. They go after blokes in the tackle, legally! Rugby has that same philosophy.

[leave it to deever 17,511]

1 hour ago, Nasher said:

Bloke bashes the daylights out of a mentally impaired man, but it’s all fine because they exchanged a few words and the victim knocked a beer out of his hand beforehand.

F me, our society’s attitude towards violence is the pits. It staggers me that anyone thinks this is even remotely defensible, or that the two acts are in any way comparable.

The voice of reason. Thank you.

To those who reckon he has form or deserved it ..wake up.

Nobody deserves the possibility of permanent brain damage or death over a disagreement at a footy game. Ffs theres much more baiting on the field and it should never be settled by sucker punching someone. 

Massive gutless and moronic action and doesnt deserve to wear red and blue.

 

 

[DubDee 25,671]

1 hour ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Unfortunately Nasher in this day and age you have to point that out

You reckon back in the 70s and 80s it would have been better?

There is less violence these days. It’s just that you see every example posted on the internet these days 

[leave it to deever 17,511]

40 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

If the ‘disabled’ guy threw the beer over the Melbourne supporter and the Melbourne supporter retaliated by punching him, he won’t even be charged. There’s plenty of defences to assault and he has one. 

If you don’t want to be punched, don’t assault someone by throwing a beer over them. Simple. 

And ‘clearly disabled’? Pull the other one. The latest updates as reported on the news support my first post. 

Thought you said you didnt care.

[Pennant St Dee 13,118]

4 minutes ago, DubDee said:

You reckon back in the 70s and 80s it would have been better?

There is less violence these days. It’s just that you see every example posted on the internet these days 

Dubdee I've been a cop since 1996 I know exactly how much violence there is now days.

I also remember the 80s and violence but I was only young in the 70s.

When you stepped out of line you got a clip, you respected your elders, authority and we didn't carry on like that at the footy.

On another note are you a Dub?

[John Crow Batty 8,861]

16 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Dubdee I've been a cop since 1996 I know exactly how much violence there is now days.

I also remember the 80s and violence but I was only young in the 70s.

When you stepped out of line you got a clip, you respected your elders, authority and we didn't carry on like that at the footy.

On another note are you a Dub?

I remember the good old days when the law tried to make you sign blank charge sheets in triplicate and whacked you over the head with a telephone book to leave no bruises when telephone books were massive and weighed a couple of kilos.  If you didn’t sign they might kindly drive you home. I hope policing has changed since then. I do remember mindless thuggery at the footy as well as the cricket in the 70’s. Footy is a regular teddy bears picnic these days. 

Edited May 5, 2019 by america de cali

[DubDee 25,671]

8 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Dubdee I've been a cop since 1996 I know exactly how much violence there is now days.

I also remember the 80s and violence but I was only young in the 70s.

When you stepped out of line you got a clip, you respected your elders, authority and we didn't carry on like that at the footy.

On another note are you a Dub?

Yeah im a Dub. Moved here as a kid in 88. Sean and Jim were why I started following the Dees. 

No doubt in my mind if you mouth off and tipped someone’s beers over back in the day you get a gut punch or worse. Agree on the lack of respect point