On 2/13/2019 at 2:35 PM, ManDee said:

 

Do you not see the irony? And I think you mean pass time.

pastime

/ˈpɑːstʌɪm/

noun

1. an activity that someone does regularly for enjoyment rather than work; a hobby.

   "his favourite pastimes were shooting and golf"

   synonyms:

   hobby, leisure activity/pursuit, sport, game, recreation, amusement, avocation, diversion, divertissement, distraction, relaxation, pleasure, entertainment, fun, interest, sideline, enthusiasm, passion, fad, craze, mania, obsession;

On 2/13/2019 at 1:57 PM, Macca said:

I totally understand the popularity but UFC is barbaric mindless violence.  Anyone who gets off on that stuff needs help.  Quintessential gratuitious violence.

As for ESports - get a life I say.

Lol. A lot of eSports players would be making more money than most AFL players... I'd say they've got their lives sorted...

2 hours ago, low flying Robbo said:

Lol. A lot of eSports players would be making more money than most AFL players... I'd say they've got their lives sorted...

Spectators not players.  

I was obviously never talking about the participants  - as for the participants,  whatever floats your boat and if you can make a good quid out of a pastime,  good luck to you.

As for the watching of video game players at large stadiums by adults - ???

2 hours ago, low flying Robbo said:

Lol. A lot of eSports players would be making more money than most AFL players... I'd say they've got their lives sorted...

I don't think we should judge people by how much money they make. Is a banker of more value to society than a nurse? As for spending much of your life closeted away having a virtual life behind a screen or worse watching those doing so I say get a life. 

2 hours ago, low flying Robbo said:

Lol. A lot of eSports players would be making more money than most AFL players... I'd say they've got their lives sorted...

Yeh but they all have poor personal hygiene and smell like fatty fried food. 

9 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Yeh but they all have poor personal hygiene and smell like fatty fried food. 

And you know this because...?

Approximately 99.8% of the world has little or no interest in Aussie rules footy ... yet in our eyes we mostly view the AFL  as being ultra successful.

The big bash audience is a different audience to the audience that watches test cricket

AFLX is more likely to get a new audience if it gets a foothold.

 

1 hour ago, Macca said:

Spectators not players.  

I was obviously never talking about the participants  - as for the participants,  whatever floats your boat and if you can make a good quid out of a pastime,  good luck to you.

As for the watching of video game players at large stadiums by adults - ???

I was one of those adults a few Sundays ago Macca. Margaret Court Arena held the ‘Fortnite Summer Smash’ during the Aus Open and there must’ve been at least 5,000 people that attended. Son and nephew were really keen to go, I wasn’t at all,  but they convinced me when they told me Jack Viney (he was eliminated early by the way) would be appearing in the ‘Pro Am’ event later in the day. 

100 gamers battled it out for nearly 7 hours for a share in 400k with the winner walking away with 100k. I tried to look as relevant as the next parent. Most parents including myself had no clue as to what we were watching. Ticketek charged $5 for children and $54 for an adult. Insanity, but each to their own I guess. 

Luckily the bars were open. 

Edited February 14, 20196 yr by Dee Zephyr

6 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

I was one of those adults a few Sundays ago Macca. Margaret Court Arena held the ‘Fortnite Summer Smash’ during the Aus Open and there must’ve been at least 5,000 people that attended. Son and nephew were really keen to go, I wasn’t at all,  but they convinced me when they told me Jack Viney (he was eliminated early by the way) would be appearing in the ‘Pro Am’ event later in the day. 

100 gamers battled it out for nearly 7 hours for a share in 400k with the winner walking away with 100k. I tried to look as relevant as the next parent. Most parents including myself had no clue as to what we were watching. Ticketek charged $5 for children and $54 for an adult. Insanity, but each to their own I guess. 

Luckily the bars were open. 

I bet it stunk in there. 

45 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

I was one of those adults a few Sundays ago Macca. Margaret Court Arena held the ‘Fortnite Summer Smash’ during the Aus Open and there must’ve been at least 5,000 people that attended. Son and nephew were really keen to go, I wasn’t at all,  but they convinced me when they told me Jack Viney (he was eliminated early by the way) would be appearing in the ‘Pro Am’ event later in the day. 

100 gamers battled it out for nearly 7 hours for a share in 400k with the winner walking away with 100k. I tried to look as relevant as the next parent. Most parents including myself had no clue as to what we were watching. Ticketek charged $5 for children and $54 for an adult. Insanity, but each to their own I guess. 

Luckily the bars were open. 

Ha ha!

As parents we have to do these things ... I have done similar things.  Numerous times.

But as free thinking adults ... each to their own I suppose.  As an example ... most people I know have very little interest in AFL. I really only watch or go to the Demon games. 

Different circles.

1 hour ago, Macca said:

Approximately 99.8% of the world has little or no interest in Aussie rules footy ... yet in our eyes we mostly view the AFL  as being ultra successful.

The big bash audience is a different audience to the audience that watches test cricket

AFLX is more likely to get a new audience if it gets a foothold.

 

true, but be wary of such innovations.  I play a game where a simpler version was introduced some years back. Far less interesting both physically and tactically  but much easier to pick up quickly.     The original game is now almost dead with fewer and fewer players.

7 minutes ago, sue said:

true, but be wary of such innovations.  I play a game where a simpler version was introduced some years back. Far less interesting both physically and tactically  but much easier to pick up quickly.     The original game is now almost dead with fewer and fewer players.

Progress happens ... and there is often nothing that can be done to stop progress.

I played 50 seasons of sport including 30 cricket seasons - full on. 

A 3 hour version of cricket was inevitable.  I am amazed that it wasn't thought of earlier.  Thus,  test cricket becomes less relevant. 

That is progress.  Not my doing either ... these things happen despite all the protestations.  That's life.

22 minutes ago, Macca said:

Progress happens ... and there is often nothing that can be done to stop progress.

I played 50 seasons of sport including 30 cricket seasons - full on. 

A 3 hour version of cricket was inevitable.  I am amazed that it wasn't thought of earlier.  Thus,  test cricket becomes less relevant. 

That is progress.  Not my doing either ... these things happen despite all the protestations.  That's life.

maybe if you define progress as simply progressing rather than progressing with improvement.  Just because cricket had obvious problems (was a snore fest to me) doesn't mean all progress is good, especially that driven by the $.  At least in the game I play the "progress' wasn't driven by the $, but by amateur empire builders.

If AFLX started to dominate the world (fat chance fortunately) and normal Aussie rules footy vanished in 10 years, I'm sure we'd all be happy with that as an example of "progress".   

Edited February 15, 20196 yr by sue

2 minutes ago, sue said:

maybe if you define progress as simply progressing rather than progressing with improvement.  Just because cricket had obvious problems (was a snore fest to me) doesn't mean all progress is good, especially that driven by the $.  At least in the game I play the "progress' wasn't driven by the $, but by amateur empire builders.

If AFLX started to dominate the world (fat chance fortunately) and normal Aussie rules footy vanished in 10 years, I'm sure we'd all be happy with that as an example of "progress".   

What are you concerned about then if you reckon that AFLX has a 'fat chance' of succeeding?

Probably best that you just ignore ... it's not a threat in your eyes so why bother with the angst?

And I never said that all progress is 'good' ... I simply said that progress is going to happen and there is often nothing that can be done to stop progress. 

As an example, most test cricket fans (it is my favourite sport)  should know that the sport is a 19th century sport and is under threat from itself.  But the love & attachment is often too strong for such evaluations.

I prefer to keep things real.

 

I can't believe we can argue so much over the merits or otherwise of AFLX.

Clearly we need some real football. Thank goodness it's only 5 weeks away.

On 2/13/2019 at 12:58 PM, buck_nekkid said:

So we have an utterly meaningless AFLX to follow an utterly meaningless big bash.

there is no soul in either of these, and seven will try to make them ‘meaningful’.

Much of life is meaningless.  It ceases to become  meaningless when we die.

In the meantime, whilst we remain on this mortal coil, we exercise choice. 

We accept some things, reject others.

Increasingly, I find sport in all its forms, meaningless, particularly those sports or derivations of a game that are invented and marketable purely to milk more revenue.  The culture and history of a sport becomes meaningless because the new thing is just something invented by marketing executives and administrators who see $ signs in front of their eyes. They are dominated by thinking purely of markets, growth and money (in the pockets of all those involved in the game, namely, administrators, players, media and advertisers).

Sport is now seen as entertainment. Sport (and footy) in its purest form no longer exists. In footy, we see rule changes every season to make the game more marketable.    

Do we really need it or want it ?  No, but we are going to get it anyway. Do we need the latest TV or iphone?  Do we need Big Bash or AFLX? 

Probably not, but we will get it anyway and folks have to exercise choice to buy or not to buy. 

Some manifestations of a sport or game are good. Women's footy for example. Worth watching, worth supporting  and important for gender balance. 

All consumers can do is to exercise their power through choice.

Avoid the sport (product) completely or choose what product or form of the sport that you like and wish to follow. 

The sports I don't like, I don't attend, watch or read about.  Or I take less interest in. Just like you will read one book but not another based on your personal likes and biases.  

 

Summed it all up very well H ... we all have choices so it is simply a mattet of exercising those choices.

I spoke up yesterday against UFC because I believe it should be banned. Let it go underground but have huge penalties if caught doing so

It is not ok for a defenceless unconscious female to have punches rained into her head thus causing untold brain damage. 

It is disgusting and more people should speak up about the disgusting practice. 

Now a mainstream sport?  What have we become?  By comparison,  AFLX is utterly harmless.

On 2/14/2019 at 9:29 AM, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Demonland. It's to AFLX like Keith Dunstan was to the (former) VFL with his (then) AFL, otherwise known as the Anti-Football League.

A Place in the Sun - yep, indifference to AFXL would be strongly supported by Keith Dunstan. Except, he would have hoped that such contempt would be contagious and thus, affect the H&A season as a natural progression - and that would not be appropriate. Gotta admire his long-term commitment and the amusing way he promulgated such thoughts. 

I’m with Peter Gordon on this one:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/aflx-shouldn-t-be-played-during-women-s-season-if-at-all-gordon-20190214-p50xq7.html

All the money being wasted or rather gambled on this meaningless competition, while the Women are tossed crumbs. 

On 2/14/2019 at 12:33 PM, DV8 said:

Keith Dunstan, gees, there's a throw back in time.

He lived across the road from Central Park (Scott Rd, I think???) in Malvern and would often come over to us little kids.... sniff the air and say footy was a disgusting game ... as we kick-to-kicked in the rain to imitate Bill Barrott, or Ron Barassi, or Fred Swift, or Jack Clark, or Ted the Whitten.  In summer, he'd clap from the boundary line as we played cricket (as productively as Bill Lawry grave-yarding the Poms) and we took that as eventual approval from Mr Dunstan. 

The AFL are interested in making money ... that is what corporations do.  And it has been that way for 2 decades now

Wanting them to help out at grass-roots level or other worthy causes is fast becoming a pipe-dream.

19 minutes ago, Macca said:

Summed it all up very well H ... we all have choices so it is simply a mattet of exercising those choices.

I spoke up yesterday against UFC because I believe it should be banned. Let it go underground but have huge penalties if caught doing so

It is not ok for a defenceless unconscious female to have punches rained into her head thus causing untold brain damage. 

It is disgusting and more people should speak up about the disgusting practice. 

Now a mainstream sport?  What have we become?  By comparison,  AFLX is utterly harmless.

UFC is beyond description. 

Lots of people want to ban boxing but it is child's play compared to UFC.

It staggers me that it has not been banned. 

26 minutes ago, hemingway said:

UFC is beyond description. 

Lots of people want to ban boxing but it is child's play compared to UFC.

It staggers me that it has not been banned. 

Actually (while I don't like UFC all that much, I sometimes watch it), there is far less being hit in the head than a Boxing match has.

I think its just that there is more blood smeared around on bodies,  that makes it appear worse than it is.

 

Boxing Is much worse for the brain, imo.

1 hour ago, Macca said:

What are you concerned about then if you reckon that AFLX has a 'fat chance' of succeeding?

Probably best that you just ignore ... it's not a threat in your eyes so why bother with the angst?

And I never said that all progress is 'good' ... I simply said that progress is going to happen and there is often nothing that can be done to stop progress. 

As an example, most test cricket fans (it is my favourite sport)  should know that the sport is a 19th century sport and is under threat from itself.  But the love & attachment is often too strong for such evaluations.

I prefer to keep things real.

 

If you read my original post you won't find any evidence of angst or any concern about AFLX.  I was just making a general point based on my experience of the game I play having "progressed" but gone downhill.  

40 minutes ago, hemingway said:

UFC is beyond description. 

Lots of people want to ban boxing but it is child's play compared to UFC.

It staggers me that it has not been banned. 

It was banned in Victoria until a change of Government in 2014.