Elegt 872 Posted October 23, 2018 Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) Reminiscing on our past I was wanting to compare our team from Neeld era to today 2013 Rd 1 B: Lynden Dunn, Tom Gillies, Daniel Nicholson HB: Jack Watts, James Frawley, Colin Garland C : Jack Viney, Jack Grimes, Jimmy Toumpas HF: Jeremy Howe, James Sellar, Colin Sylvia F: Shannon Byrnes, Mitch Clark, David Rodan Foll: Mark Jamar, Jordie McKenzie, Nathan Jones I/C: Sam Blease, Cameron Pederson, Luke Tapscott, Matt Jones EMG: Aaron Davey, Dean Terlich, Jake Spencer 2018 Rd 1 Melbourne B: Michael Hibberd, Jake Lever, Neville Jetta HB: Jayden Hunt, Oscar McDonald, Nathan Jones C : Bernie Vince, Jordan Lewis, Christian Salem HF: Christian Petracca, Cam Pedersen, James Harmes F: Bayley Fritsch, Jesse Hogan, Jeff Garlett R: Max Gawn, Clayton Oliver, Alex Neal-Bullen I: Sam Frost, Jake Melksham, Mitch Hannan, Corey Maynard, Josh Wagner E: Angus Brayshaw, Dom Tyson, Tom Bugg Only 2 players from that 2013 team remain, great effort by roos to turn the club around Edited October 23, 2018 by Elegt 1 Quote
hemingway 7,633 Posted October 23, 2018 Posted October 23, 2018 8 hours ago, Elegt said: Reminiscing on our past I was wanting to compare our team from Neeld era to today 2013 Rd 1 B: Lynden Dunn, Tom Gillies, Daniel Nicholson HB: Jack Watts, James Frawley, Colin Garland C : Jack Viney, Jack Grimes, Jimmy Toumpas HF: Jeremy Howe, James Sellar, Colin Sylvia F: Shannon Byrnes, Mitch Clark, David Rodan Foll: Mark Jamar, Jordie McKenzie, Nathan Jones I/C: Sam Blease, Cameron Pederson, Luke Tapscott, Matt Jones EMG: Aaron Davey, Dean Terlich, Jake Spencer 2018 Rd 1 Melbourne B: Michael Hibberd, Jake Lever, Neville Jetta HB: Jayden Hunt, Oscar McDonald, Nathan Jones C : Bernie Vince, Jordan Lewis, Christian Salem HF: Christian Petracca, Cam Pedersen, James Harmes F: Bayley Fritsch, Jesse Hogan, Jeff Garlett R: Max Gawn, Clayton Oliver, Alex Neal-Bullen I: Sam Frost, Jake Melksham, Mitch Hannan, Corey Maynard, Josh Wagner E: Angus Brayshaw, Dom Tyson, Tom Bugg Only 2 players from that 2013 team remain, great effort by roos to turn the club around Wow, how quickly we forget. Only 5 years ago. Very sobering looking at that 2013 line-up. 2 Quote
Demonland 74,443 Posted October 23, 2018 Posted October 23, 2018 You can add May, Kolodjashnij and special guest star appearances by Preuss to the list. 1 Quote
Dee Zephyr 19,312 Posted October 23, 2018 Posted October 23, 2018 Would Tom Gillies go down as the only player in recent memory to play for the MFC and not lay a single tackle? Minimum requirement is two games if anyone goes searching. 1 Quote
hemingway 7,633 Posted October 23, 2018 Posted October 23, 2018 How times change and how thinking changes, in the space of about 10 weeks. How we are now described. Unbelievable, incredible, surreal. A destination club, are you kidding me? Not according to this guy! “I wanted to see where I can see myself having the best football career. They’ve got an unreal list, a really good young list, so I want to be here for sustained success. I don’t want to be here for just a couple of years. I want to play in front of big crowds and to join a big club, it’s a dream come true....it was just too good an opportunity to not pursue. They’re a ruthless team, a high scoring and exciting team, and it’s something that I want to be part of.” Love the comment, I want to play in front of big crowds and join a big club. 3 Quote
La Dee-vina Comedia 17,137 Posted October 23, 2018 Posted October 23, 2018 Mind you, we were cheating in Round 1 this year by apparently starting with five on the bench. That automatically makes us 4.34% better. 1 Quote
Elegt 872 Posted October 24, 2018 Author Posted October 24, 2018 2013 Melbourne best and fairest results Winner: Keith ‘Bluey’ Truscott Memorial Trophy – Nathan Jones (365 votes) After winning his first Keith ‘Bluey’ Truscott Memorial Trophy in 2012, Jones deservedly went back-to-back. The incredibly durable midfielder was Melbourne’s most consistent player in 2013. Second: Sid Anderson Memorial Trophy – Colin Garland (360) The defender capped off his best AFL season as a close runner-up to Jones. He passed the 100-game milestone and proved a model of consistency, often under pressure down back. Third: Ron Barassi Snr Memorial Trophy – Dean Terlich (306) The mature defender was of the bright spots of the year, playing all but two matches in his first season. It was an outstanding return to the AFL system, after he was a Sydney Swans rookie in 2008. Fourth: Ivor Warne-Smith Memorial Trophy – Matt Jones (303) Like Terlich, Jones was one of 2013’s good news stories. The 25 year-old midfielder took his opportunity, playing every game after being picked at No. 52 in last year’s NAB AFL Draft. Fifth: [censored] Taylor Memorial Trophy – Colin Sylvia (288) Aside from missing three matches through suspension, Sylvia produced a very consistent season. It was the third time he has finished fifth in the best and fairest award, after his efforts in 2009-10. 1 Quote
obbafan 128 Posted October 24, 2018 Posted October 24, 2018 Would love to see off and on the list each year since 2013 if anyone has the energy. Quite a story I would reckon. Quote
YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,830 Posted October 24, 2018 Posted October 24, 2018 I am seriously lost for words with the comparison, Depressing times they were indeed. Quote
Steno 200 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 Was 2013 the debut of the blazer or was that the year before? The best and fairest will go down in history.... Quote
hemingway 7,633 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 Our form at the end of the season was fantastic excluding our last match. So our success was celebrated and seen as a harbinger of further success in 2019. Lets hope we are not getting ahead of ourselves. To maintain all the good will bestowed on the Club at the end of the season, we need above all else, sustained success for a considerable period of time. And we have to avoid the peaks and troughs of the competition. Become Hawthorn like. We look to have set this up but coaches and players need to retain the hunger. We must never underestimate the competition or how circumstances or environment can impact on a club. So great signs, but sustained success with a flag is what we must achieve. 2 Quote
Biffen 12,949 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 Mitch Clark was a team growth.Thankfully removed. 1 Quote
Go the Biff 3,474 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 On 10/24/2018 at 9:43 AM, Dee Zephyr said: Would Tom Gillies go down as the only player in recent memory to play for the MFC and not lay a single tackle? Minimum requirement is two games if anyone goes searching. Don't know about that but our percentage after Gillies' two games was 28.39 % Surely that's a record ! 2 Quote
Dee Zephyr 19,312 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Go the Biff said: Don't know about that but our percentage after Gillies' two games was 28.39 % Surely that's a record ! Goodness me! Maybe some threads should have an enter at your own risk sign at the front. Quote
Moonshadow 17,678 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 44 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: We’ve come a long way. Understatement of the year, Ron. 1 Quote
Ugottobekidding 1,244 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 Difference is neelds tteam was made up with bit part players, todays team is with young talent building their own fate. Makes you wonder what Neeld was thinking. Quote
hemingway 7,633 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said: Difference is neelds tteam was made up with bit part players, todays team is with young talent building their own fate. Makes you wonder what Neeld was thinking. Not just Neeld, it was a top to bottom problem. The whole organisation was rotten. 3 1 Quote
La Dee-vina Comedia 17,137 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 2 hours ago, hemingway said: Not just Neeld, it was a top to bottom problem. The whole organisation was rotten. Hemingway writing in the style of Shakespeare, rhyming couplets and all. Quote
Elegt 872 Posted October 25, 2018 Author Posted October 25, 2018 2 hours ago, hemingway said: Not just Neeld, it was a top to bottom problem. The whole organisation was rotten. How did Neeld manage to survive as long as he did? Having the worst win/loss record of all time as a Melbourne coach Quote
hemingway 7,633 Posted October 26, 2018 Posted October 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, Elegt said: How did Neeld manage to survive as long as he did? Having the worst win/loss record of all time as a Melbourne coach Is this not the dilemma that all clubs face when the team is performing badly ? The age old question, is it the players or the coach ? In our case, it was a bit of both. There is enough evidence that Neeld's style was unsuited to the players. Unlike Goodwin, the players did not want to play for him. However, Goody has had some success so there will always be better good vibes than when you are badly beaten every week. There are posters with more facts at their fingertips than me but Neeld did start off with a group of players that were expected to perform, but didn't. Don't forget, we got a new Coach with Neeld, but we did not have a complete overhaul of the Club as we got with Roos and Goodwin. 2 Quote
hemingway 7,633 Posted October 26, 2018 Posted October 26, 2018 55 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said: Hemingway writing in the style of Shakespeare, rhyming couplets and all. But it is still that old curmudgeon Ernie, trying to string a few words together. Quote
La Dee-vina Comedia 17,137 Posted October 26, 2018 Posted October 26, 2018 22 minutes ago, Elegt said: How did Neeld manage to survive as long as he did? Having the worst win/loss record of all time as a Melbourne coach Just out of curiosity, I've looked at other coaching records to see how Neeld compares. It is interesting that of all coaches to have coached 33 or more games (33 being the number coached by Neeld), four have a worse record, measured as percentage of games won. More interestingly, three of them were unquestionably great players - Royce Hart, Brian Dixon and Kevin Murray. The fourth is Allan Hird Senior. Quote
Elegt 872 Posted October 26, 2018 Author Posted October 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said: Just out of curiosity, I've looked at other coaching records to see how Neeld compares. It is interesting that of all coaches to have coached 33 or more games (33 being the number coached by Neeld), four have a worse record, measured as percentage of games won. More interestingly, three of them were unquestionably great players - Royce Hart, Brian Dixon and Kevin Murray. The fourth is Allan Hird Senior. Great players dont make great coaches Quote
dieter 3,325 Posted October 26, 2018 Posted October 26, 2018 Watched some Youtube footage of some famous victories in 2016, also watched some jack watts highlights from 2009-2016. Eerily, some of the better players in the victories against the hawks, GWS and Eagles were Pedersen, Bugg, Watts, Kent and my whipping boy, TYson. Oi Weh, all of them is gone to the de devil. Quote
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