Farewell Jesse Hogan

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8 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

One of the best posts for a while. I think anyone who wanted to keep Watts should be banned from even commenting on this trade board. Just goes to show that some supporters are so biased and get so attached that they can't see the forest for the trees and overrate their own players. Watts was never going to succeed at afl level. 

Thats a bit over the top. I didn't want Watts to leave, but I accepted that it would probably end up being best for him and the club to get a change of scenery.

It's also completely incorrect to suggest that Watts hasn't succeeded at AFL level, you don't get to play 170 games over 8-10 years in the AFL and call it a failed career.

Jack Watts isn't the first or the last number 1 draft pick to not live up to the hype. But he seems to be the one that has been scrutinised more than most.

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must say, i'm stiff miffed we didn't land gaff especially as he was an rfa, would have cost nothing and filled an outside mid need

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20 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

well argued Hemingway but personal services contracts have rarely been enforced in any industry as no one wants a disgruntled employee. What is done is that you have them stand out of the industry for 6-12 months but even that is fraught with difficulties.

You could have an AFL imposed condition that you must stand out for half a season. Any longer and it would almost certainly get struck down as unenforceable. Even half a season might be too long.

Of course the AFL likes the movement of players.. it's the clubs who hate it.

A useful iteration thanks DJ.

I suppose my main point is that recently we have had a whole string of ""go home"" reasons and if devalues the importance or even relevance of a contract, unless you have the application of basic minimum standards.

Despite your comments, unless you have some consequences for breaking a contract, the latter becomes just a memorandum of understanding without any legal force. 

Perhaps the Kelly case is more to the point where you have a club and its supporters envisaging a 2019 season and beyond with a gun player and then overnight he's gone.  Geelong have reason to feel cheated irrespective of the reasons.  

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Just now, daisycutter said:

must say, i'm stiff miffed we didn't land gaff especially as he was an rfa, would have cost nothing and filled an outside mid need

Im glad. i don't rate him. Slow and soft. Just a pure accumulator in a world that is obsessed with stats

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Just now, daisycutter said:

must say, i'm stiff miffed we didn't land gaff especially as he was an rfa, would have cost nothing and filled an outside mid need

I agree, but I think it says more about our salary space or 'strategy' more than anything else.

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4 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

Thats a bit over the top. I didn't want Watts to leave, but I accepted that it would probably end up being best for him and the club to get a change of scenery.

It's also completely incorrect to suggest that Watts hasn't succeeded at AFL level, you don't get to play 170 games over 8-10 years in the AFL and call it a failed career.

Jack Watts isn't the first or the last number 1 draft pick to not live up to the hype. But he seems to be the one that has been scrutinised more than most.

Please. As schwartz said on the radio one time. He was gifted 100 games. 

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1 minute ago, hemingway said:

A useful iteration thanks DJ.

I suppose my main point is that recently we have had a whole string of ""go home"" reasons and if devalues the importance or even relevance of a contract, unless you have the application of basic minimum standards.

Despite your comments, unless you have some consequences for breaking a contract, the latter becomes just a memorandum of understanding without any legal force. 

Perhaps the Kelly case is more to the point where you have a club and its supporters envisaging a 2019 season and beyond with a gun player and then overnight he's gone.  Geelong have reason to feel cheated irrespective of the reasons.  

the Kelly case worries me a little in that it could be an instance of a player going for the money. Sure there is the go home factor but there is no doubt that the WCE offer for 2019 will be more than his Cat's contract.

I applaud players following the money as they have very limited careers but perhaps there has to be some limits.

Now if Kelly came out and said any overs for 2019 would be donated to an indigenous charity then my skepticism would be abated somewhat.

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1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

c'mon, it may be what they'd dream for but it's overs, ignore the media, it's all posturing and game playing

you don't think we're gonna give up pick 5 for May if Hogan goes to Freo? I'd prepare for disappointment if I were you. 

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13 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

The last two seasons we have drafted Hannan and Fritsch, two guys who have come in and been best 22 players.  Taylor knows what he's doing.  You can say we've been dudded, I'll go with the fact that we've addressed our needs and that our scouting and recruitment team are one of the best in the business.

Add Spargo

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3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

the Kelly case worries me a little in that it could be an instance of a player going for the money. Sure there is the go home factor but there is no doubt that the WCE offer for 2019 will be more than his Cat's contract.

I applaud players following the money as they have very limited careers but perhaps there has to be some limits.

Now if Kelly came out and said any overs for 2019 would be donated to an indigenous charity then my skepticism would be abated somewhat.

Agreed Diamond

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Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

you don't think we're gonna give up pick 5 for May if Hogan goes to Freo? I'd prepare for disappointment if I were you. 

as i said elsewhere there would need to be a decent pick also coming back as well as kk......just my opinion

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Just now, deeology said:

Add Spargo

Correct.  What it all adds up to is a drafting team that knows what it's doing.

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The fact May has just said he is happy to go to 'Any Victorian Club' means we are in competition for his services and will need to give up pick 5, should we receive it. 

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2 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Please. As schwartz said on the radio one time. He was gifted 100 games. 

and the other 70 odd games? 

Using Schwarz (even when spelt incorrectly) doesn't add any weight to your argument. I've heard a lot of ex-AFL players saying that even playing one game, or a single season is a significant achievement. But you know what who cares!

However tying the fact that those people who post on Demonland and supported keeping Jack Watts to whether they are entitled to post in this thread is poor.

Jack might not have turned out to be the player you had hoped, but to suggest that he has had a failed career is just wrong. It's just an opinion, and in MY opinion, a poorly judged one!  

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3 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

The fact May has just said he is happy to go to 'Any Victorian Club' means we are in competition for his services and will need to give up pick 5, should we receive it. 

Doesn’t sound too promising for the Dees does it ...

(From AFL.com.au)

"He’d (May) be happy to come to Melbourne (city) if something was found," Gold Coast list manager Craig Cameron told AFL.com.au.

"It’s up to the clubs now that are pursuing him to come up with something. At this this stage they haven’t."

"If they come to us with something around Steven then it might be tied into that, that’s a fair way off as I said." 

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5 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

The fact May has just said he is happy to go to 'Any Victorian Club' means we are in competition for his services and will need to give up pick 5, should we receive it. 

Obviously. As has been said before why would Gold Coast not expect a top 5 pick? They are most likely to finish in the bottom 4 next year with or without May. As he is a FA next year they could expect band 1 compensation. If anything pick 5 could be them accepting ‘unders’ this year.

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1 minute ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Doesn’t sound too promising for the Dees does it ...

(From AFL.com.au)

"He’d (May) be happy to come to Melbourne (city) if something was found," Gold Coast list manager Craig Cameron told AFL.com.au.

"It’s up to the clubs now that are pursuing him to come up with something. At this this stage they haven’t."

"If they come to us with something around Steven then it might be tied into that, that’s a fair way off as I said." 

ETD please go easy on the large and bolded font...gives me a headache just looking at it.

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1 minute ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Doesn’t sound too promising for the Dees does it ...

(From AFL.com.au)

"He’d (May) be happy to come to Melbourne (city) if something was found," Gold Coast list manager Craig Cameron told AFL.com.au.

"It’s up to the clubs now that are pursuing him to come up with something. At this this stage they haven’t."

"If they come to us with something around Steven then it might be tied into that, that’s a fair way off as I said." 

Still coming to the dees... just getting a plan b in place in case the hogan deal falls through. 

Will be done tomorrow

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Mitch Cleary just confirmed on Trade Radio that it's pretty much going to be Steven May to us if/when the Lachie Neale and Jesse Hogan deals go through.  He said the Pies still have a little interest, but we are well and truly in the box seat.

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8 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

The fact May has just said he is happy to go to 'Any Victorian Club' means we are in competition for his services and will need to give up pick 5, should we receive it. 

If we trade pick 5 for May, I'd love to see the GCS go for Rozie, Lukosius and Rankine then smile and give Jason Cripps the bird on draft night!

Given the Saint's interest in King likely at pick 4 it could happen!

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Pick 7 to the dogs. Hogan stays with us. Hee hee

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1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

Mitch Cleary just confirmed on Trade Radio that it's pretty much going to be Steven May to us if/when the Lachie Neale and Jesse Hogan deals go through.  He said the Pies still have a little interest, but we are well and truly in the box seat.

Did he had any ideas on what we’d get for Hogan

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4 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Doesn’t sound too promising for the Dees does it ...

(From AFL.com.au)

"He’d (May) be happy to come to Melbourne (city) if something was found," Gold Coast list manager Craig Cameron told AFL.com.au.

"It’s up to the clubs now that are pursuing him to come up with something. At this this stage they haven’t."

"If they come to us with something around Steven then it might be tied into that, that’s a fair way off as I said." 

The way I read it is that May's camp has said that he wants to be traded, and GCN are saying to all clubs we are listening.

They still know that Melbourne probably the best option based on having the best picks to offer and want the player. May would just be waiting for the Neale deal to kick it off... not really that much in the statement.

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Just now, Leoncelli_36 said:

Did he had any ideas on what we’d get for Hogan

I began listening to his report a little late so I only caught the part about May and how Pick 5 will go through a few hands in the next day or so.  Nothing about other picks involved in the Hogan deal, although he may have discussed it at the beginning, which I missed.

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Hopefully the Hogan trade doesn't eventuate.