POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 21

[Wolfturdo 123]

1 hour ago, 3Dee said:

Wow Hogan bashers he was playing injured FMD

That’s just crap.

[Webber 10,538]

Just now, old dee said:

No it is more simple than that we simply don't have enough players with good disposal skills. And some of them never will. Right now we are a ninth placed talent still some recruiting to do before we are seriously good team. 

I’m not saying we lack disposal skill, we lack competitive quality and certainty, It’s a mind thing, and it appears to be fatal.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,870]

Three main take aways from today's game:

1.  Kicking 18 behinds whilst dominating most of the play will generally lose you the game;

2.  How many Swans passes that traveled 7m qualified as 15m by the umpires?

3.  I seriously can not stand the telecast comentators today.

[layzie 33,987]

3 minutes ago, picket fence said:

My dog has worked us out... leaves the room when the Dees are on TV!!

Your dog is much smarter than most of us.

[Big Demon 197]

Disappointing in that is was another match that we lost rather than our opposition won, you have to kick goals to win matches. Having said that we are very close right now, the first quarter was very stock standard home and away but quarters 2,3 & 4 were finals like in intensity and our inexperience compared to the swans showed, the cream did rise to the top and our coaching crew will learn a lot today from those three quarters. A few points that stood out:

A. Harmes is now close to top shelf, sensational effort today

B. Why do we keep getting Paul Keating umpire all of our games?

C. Spargo had a mare, needs more time at Casey

D. How the hell were there so many Swan supporters at our home game?

E. Jetta won’t appear too high on the stat sheets but does all the hard stuff

F. Frost, good effort, made Frankie earn easy kicks in non dangerous places and is rock solid

 2018 is far from over.

 

[Webber 10,538]

1 minute ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Three main take aways from today's game:

1.  Kicking 18 behinds whilst dominating most of the play will generally lose you the game;

2.  How many Swans passes that traveled 7m qualified as 15m by the umpires?

3.  I seriously can not stand the telecast comentators today.

Yep. There was no adjudication of kick distance today, and the swans exploited it beautifully. Might as well not have the rule. 

[layzie 33,987]

2 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Three main take aways from today's game:

1.  Kicking 18 behinds whilst dominating most of the play will generally lose you the game;

2.  How many Swans passes that traveled 7m qualified as 15m by the umpires?

3.  I seriously can not stand the telecast comentators today.

That, right there. Proven to within about a 100% fact rating. 

[JTR 2,854]

3 minutes ago, layzie said:

That, right there. Proven to within about a 100% fact rating. 

There were at least a couple that missed everything too  ?

[Webber 10,538]

2 minutes ago, Big Demon said:

Disappointing in that is was another match that we lost rather than our opposition won, you have to kick goals to win matches. Having said that we are very close right now, the first quarter was very stock standard home and away but quarters 2,3 & 4 were finals like in intensity and our inexperience compared to the swans showed, the cream did rise to the top and our coaching crew will learn a lot today from those three quarters. A few points that stood out:

A. Harmes is now close to top shelf, sensational effort today

B. Why do we keep getting Paul Keating umpire all of our games?

C. Spargo had a mare, needs more time at Casey

D. How the hell were there so many Swan supporters at our home game?

E. Jetta won’t appear too high on the stat sheets but does all the hard stuff

F. Frost, good effort, made Frankie earn easy kicks in non dangerous places and is rock solid

 2018 is far from over.

 

It’s over, we aren’t up to it. 

[Mondê 525]

2 minutes ago, Webber said:

Yep. There was no adjudication of kick distance today, and the swans exploited it beautifully. Might as well not have the rule. 

To be fair the umpiring was diabolical all round. Apparently Nicholls has a different set of rules for the two teams out there. The number of pathetic holding the ball calls Sydney received was laughable. All day he rooted us. 

[DV8 2,271]

38 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Garbage. No sign anywhere that Jesse is on the move. It's not time. You and about 5 other crackpots are calling for his trade. TMac hasn't made anyone expendable. We're the top attack in the league. We're not trading our best forward.

We don't need to trade Jesse to afford other players. You're making more stuff up.

Tyson isn't worth even a second rounder. You've lost your mind.

Of course the time is now. Hence why we keep quality AA forwards at MFC instead of trading them to other clubs and playing NQRs.

See you in 8 years.

You don't listen... I'm saying we should move him on !     not saying that he's on the move.

For mine he is a trade-out.  sell, sell, sell.

 

Do all we can to get in Whitfield next year.

 

We will lose so many of of mature leaders inside the next 2 seasons.... we will be back in shyte again.

We have to make big strides off the field this end of season.  changes are very necessary.

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Tyson,,,  we'll take what we can get. 

You've lost your mind DD, if you think we will progress much in the next 2 seasons, unless we make some big trades NOW.

 

End of next year, Lewis Vince Jones will all be gone.

By the end of the 2019 season,,, Jetta, Hibbo & Garlett will all be heading towards 30Yrs of age.

 

Our current leaders of the team, are almost done and dusted.

We are about half way thru this rebuild.... we have rebuilt the list somewhat,,,, but haven't rebuilt the clubs culture into a winning habit.

Our clubs self-belief is very fragile... and will only change as we start to learn to Expect to win... week in week out.

 

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We are in a 'spot' looking forward, and we have to make this 2018 off-season, a huge winner.

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[Webber 10,538]

1 minute ago, Mondê said:

To be fair the umpiring was diabolical all round. Apparently Nicholls has a different set of rules for the two teams out there. The number of pathetic holding the ball calls Sydney received was laughable. All day he rooted us. 

Nicholls has a career passion for biasing against us. He’s an incompetent umpire. 

[At the break of Gawn 4,460]

Sam Michell wrote in his autobiography that Clarkson sent him a text in 2010/11 asking “have you ever played well in a final?”. 

This is the sort of brutal honesty that Goodwin needs to ask Jones but replace the word “final” with an “extremely important crunch game”. If he can’t stand up with any authority in the last 2 games then he can’t be a captain next year. He’s getting into Taylor Walker territory.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

3 minutes ago, DV8 said:

You don't listen... I'm saying we should move him on !     not saying that he's on the move.

For mine he is a trade-out.  sell, sell, sell.

 

Do all we can to get in Whitfield next year.

 

We will lose so many of of mature leaders inside the next 2 seasons.... we will be back in shyte again.

We have to make big strides off the field this end of season.  changes are very necessary.

- - - - - - - -

Tyson,,,  we'll take what we can get. 

You've lost your mind DD, if you think we will progress much in the next 2 seasons, unless we make some big trades NOW.

 

End of next year, Lewis Vince Jones will all be gone.

By the end of the 2019 season,,, Jetta, Hibbo & Garlett will all be heading towards 30Yrs of age.

 

Our current leaders of the team, are almost done and dusted.

We are about half way thru this rebuild.... we have rebuilt the list somewhat,,,, but haven't rebuilt the clubs culture into a winning habit.

Our clubs self-belief is very fragile... and will only change as we start to learn to Expect to win... week in week out.

 

...

We are in a 'spot' looking forward, and we have to make this 2018 off-season, a huge winner.

.

You're proposing trading him... That's what I'm challenging. 

My God. You're wanting to get Whitfield in the team over Hogan? This just gets better and better.

And what's this? You're claiming the age profile of our mature players is cause to move Jesse on? Lists get turned over every season. You get to move on a couple of older players EVERY SEASON if you're doing it right. What's that got to do with trading one of the best KP forwards under 25 in the league? I said it before and I'll say it again. You don't trade out good players to play your VFL guys, or to trade in other clubs' offcasts.

You're out of your mind. I've put the Weed/Whitfield> Hogan stuff aside for later. This is just going to get funnier every year.

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 4,084]

 

[Macca 17,032]

We did a lot wrong and had any number of non-impact players and as well as that,  we kicked poorly for goal yet ... we only lost by 9 points. 

Sydney played their usual stifling game-style and that's what really beat us ... we never got our game going at any stage and thus we ended up playing the game on their terms.  Which is what the Swan's aim was.

Previously we haven't even been competitive in these type of high-pressure games so we've at least got up to speed in some ways.  The game played out as I thought it might so in this case,  the players & FD need to go over the tape quite thoroughly so as to see where we can get better.  A lot better in fact.  I'd expect to see some goalkicking practice for starters.

As is often the case we won't have learned much from last week's thrashing of a non-competitive Suns team but we should be able to learn a lot from this loss.  Nothing short of a win next week will suffice but if we do win we'll be playing finals. 

As for the non-impact players ... most of them aren't really up to it but such is the spread of talent across 18 teams,  we have to keep rotating these types until we replace them with better players in the off-season.  The current list is quite good but it's not a great list - yet.

[Webber 10,538]

1 minute ago, Macca said:

We did a lot wrong and had any number of non-impact players and as well as that,  we kicked poorly for goal yet ... we only lost by 9 points. 

Sydney played their usual stifling game-style and that's what really beat us ... we never got our game going at any stage and thus we ended up playing the game on their terms.  Which is what the Swan's aim was.

Previously we haven't even been competitive in these type of high-pressure games so we've at least got up to speed in some ways.  The game played out as I thought it might so in this case,  the players & FD need to go over the tape quite thoroughly so as to see where we can get better.  A lot better in fact.  I'd expect to see some goalkicking practice for starters.

As is often the case we won't have learned much from last week's thrashing of a non-competitive Suns team but we should be able to learn a lot from this loss.  Nothing short of a win next week will suffice but if we do win we'll be playing finals. 

As for the non-impact players ... most of them aren't really up to it but such is the spread of talent across 18 teams,  we have to keep rotating these types until we replace them with better players in the off-season.  The current list is quite good but it's not a great list - yet.

EXTRA Goal kicking practice will do zero. It’s the mental fragility exposed by the expectation, not the lack of practice. 

[titan_uranus 25,031]

1 minute ago, Webber said:

EXTRA Goal kicking practice will do zero. It’s the mental fragility exposed by the expectation, not the lack of practice. 

It will help. One of Hogan's misses, he ran deliberately out to the right and hooked it left. That's not pressure (like maybe McDonald's misses were). That's a player losing faith in his own kicking routine.

[DV8 2,271]

2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I just want to make finals.

Sadly, that looks extremely unlikely.

I do as well,  even if we don't fire a shot,,, we have to get in there.   To create hope amongst the players, and us fans.

[Bates Mate 4,508]

2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Fritsch is wasted in the backline.

So is Salem

[Webber 10,538]

1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

It will help. One of Hogan's misses, he ran deliberately out to the right and hooked it left. That's not pressure (like maybe McDonald's misses were). That's a player losing faith in his own kicking routine.

Practice will NOT give him faith when the pressure is high and consequences significant. It all goes out the window. It’s MENTAL, and won’t be fixed by MORE practice. Experience, situational exposure and maturity maybe, but not practice.  

[DV8 2,271]

1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

We are our own worst enemy here DV unfortunately.

The better clubs/coaches cover the middle of the field and close up on us if we get a bit if a lead.  They push us wide and more often than not .....we just bomb coming around the flanks.  By going wide and slow we allow them to set up their structures and send extra numbers to the hot zone, approx 20 to 30ish out from goal on a half circle shaped defense.

They corral us,  as we come out of defensive half back, out to the wings, and then force us to stay wide.   Narrowing our attack angles going into F50. 

All to predictable.

[old dee 23,860]

Now I am as annoyed as most on here I actually thought at the start of the year we would make eight place and now that looks extremely unlikely however it should be no surprise to anyone that we lost today. We have been performing this way against the better sides since round 1.

We had that game in our hands and kicked ourselves out of it, then repeated it against the same side three weeks ago. We have on average poor disposal skills. 

IMO we do not have enough players with the kicking skills required to beat the better sides, we have plenty of ball use but cannot kick winning scores. There is no use ignoring it we still need 5- 6 players with good disposal skills until we get them we will remain in the wrong half of the competition not sure how the find the replacements in the short term but that is the job of the FD. On top of that we have a pretenter or two who think they are better than they are who need to be used in trades before they get to Watts stage and have no value.

Not happy Jane but that is our lot as I see it, still way better the Neeld era at least we have a good base now. 

Edited August 12, 2018 by old dee

[John Demonic 5,848]

20 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

 

He's a smart footballer is Buddy

[titan_uranus 25,031]

4 minutes ago, Webber said:

Practice will NOT give him faith when the pressure is high and consequences significant. It all goes out the window. It’s MENTAL, and won’t be fixed by MORE practice. Experience, situational exposure and maturity maybe, but not practice.  

Complete and utter rubbish.

The star forwards of the game have a reliable set-shot routine that they can bank on and they don't need to second guess. Brown, Kennedy, Riewoldt, Hawkins, Franklin - none of them have a lack of faith in their own routine. Sure, they miss some under pressure, almost any player does, and the pressure of a close game or a strong opponent will do that. But Jesse is mucking around with his technique and has been for weeks, whether it's snapping from 20m out or bending out and trying to hook it back. 

The mental side is important too, but with Hogan he needs to practice his routine to get that part of the problem under control.