13 hours ago, daisycutter said:

and that's the problem with many of caro's "expose" type articles

it's mostly impossible to separate facts from the opinions, falsehoods and innuendos

Caro article is designed to cause friction were there is none and is innacurate - the board does its job and they are big on know ur role play your role - an outgoing ceo doesnt pick his replacement an outgoing  coach doesnt pick his replacement - what egos are guys on about - just because caro has a personal issue with pert - and is writing on behalf a group of old MEN not involved with gooty - that have a personal beef with him - seriously ! We are better than that dont fall for it 

13 hours ago, ProDee said:

Clearly, I think differently to other people.

I thought the article was well written and very informative.  It gave me a walk through what key personnel and stakeholders were thinking, as well as what they did and didn't do.

I like to be informed about my club, not kept in the dark, and I'm more aware for having read it.  

I also didn't feel there was any bias, just reporting of events, as well as inferences, which goes with the territory when you're tying together perspectives from all angles of those with competing interests.

This Board has runs on the board so I'll back the appointment, although it appears not all due diligence has been as thorough as one would have liked.  I also would have liked some input from Jackson whether that is considered de rigueur or not.

Question for u - how do u know due dilligence was not done? - were u there - are u serious - the process is confidential - lets see because Caro told u - what is her motivation - her article  is full of innacuracies - in the corporate world - do u all have a say on the process how do u know pj wasnt involved in the process- after all he had 5 yrs to develop prople - but did he??? do u know his thoughts - oh because caro - told u - how do u know who pj actually wanted!!! 

39 minutes ago, Jack Russell said:

her article  is full of innacuracies

What are the inaccuracies?

Caro is not a football writer. She is a gossip writer, specialising in the world of AFL. Big difference. She has good sources and can and does get "scoops" but it's still firmly in the murky territory of "maybe it did and maybe it didn't".

2 hours ago, Jack Russell said:

Caro article is designed to cause friction were there is none and is innacurate - the board does its job and they are big on know ur role play your role - an outgoing ceo doesnt pick his replacement an outgoing  coach doesnt pick his replacement -

Roos picked his replacement

I think some of us have very short memories.

When she came out and said the Neeld appointment process was half arsed, we all came out and potted her (myself included) about peripheral issues with what she had wrote. Turned out she was probably not far off the truth.

I think there was an element of truth to what was written and it's a case of Pert building relationships and smoothing over any resentments moving forward.

I still have concerns about the appointment but am willing to give him a shot. But I thought the article was fine.

13 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I have no idea if Pert’s appointment is the right one or not, neither does Wilson. 

But he certainly has an excellent CV. 

11 years running The Filth would not be easy at all. They won a flag, should have been back to back and Membership rose by 40,000+ in his time

Revenue would have gone up, hotels aside. 

So i just feel Wilson has gone early on someone who hasn’t said a word. 

Worked with journo’s like her 20 years ago. 

They go early and “create” pressure

Wilson always has an agenda. 

This ^^^^^^^^

(agree with rest also ...but especially the AGENDA issue)

2 hours ago, Jack Russell said:

Question for u - how do u know due dilligence was not done? - were u there - are u serious - the process is confidential - lets see because Caro told u - what is her motivation - her article  is full of innacuracies - in the corporate world - do u all have a say on the process how do u know pj wasnt involved in the process- after all he had 5 yrs to develop prople - but did he??? do u know his thoughts - oh because caro - told u - how do u know who pj actually wanted!!! 

From her article.  Balme, Walsh and the bloke who conducted the internal Collingwood investigation were supposedly not interviewed.  That doesn't sound like proper due diligence to me.

How do you know it was done ?

Why are you so defensive ?  Do you know all the facts, or are you just another blind faith supporter that is convinced their club can do no wrong ?

37 minutes ago, ProDee said:

From her article.  Balme, Walsh and the bloke who conducted the internal Collingwood investigation were supposedly not interviewed.  That doesn't sound like proper due diligence to me.

How do you know it was done ?

Why are you so defensive ?  Do you know all the facts, or are you just another blind faith supporter that is convinced their club can do no wrong ?

surely the colonwood review was a confidential review and even if they talked the info would be heavily guarded

additionally there is a very strong inference that the colonwood review was setup to protect eddie and his love child bucks. you (eddie that is) don't set up a review without knowing the likely outcome

was probably a good idea to not involve colonwood personnel 

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

surely the colonwood review was a confidential review and even if they talked the info would be heavily guarded

additionally there is a very strong inference that the colonwood review was setup to protect eddie and his love child bucks. you (eddie that is) don't set up a review without knowing the likely outcome

was probably a good idea to not involve colonwood personnel 

I'm of the view that you talk to as many people as you can and then disseminate the information.  Know that there may be biases in play and form conclusions accordingly. 

If you ask enough of the right questions you can usually get an accurate guide. 

Edited June 30, 20186 yr by ProDee

One question I would like to ask is:

Has Pert held a presser with PJ to announce his signing? I ask that as a legitimate question as I live OS and haven't seen anything online.

My impression would have been that given the amount of public airtime that we give to rookies extending their contracts (which usually have an extra year to run in any case when they re-sign), why aren't we pumping up this supposed 'coup' as much as we could? Why did the club have to do organize a formal meet and greet session to clarify things moving forward? If it were Josh Mahoney, it would have been a five minute announcement to staff then onto a presser with full regalia.

I do understand that Perty mightn't want to step on PJ'S toes and that a bloke like PJ would never let him but a few reassuring noises about letting PJ do his job until October while soaking up as much knowledge as he can about the joint would be reassuring.

Edited June 30, 20186 yr by Colin B. Flaubert

4 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Caro is not a football writer. She is a gossip writer, specialising in the world of AFL. Big difference. She has good sources and can and does get "scoops" but it's still firmly in the murky territory of "maybe it did and maybe it didn't".

Spot on.

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

I'm in that says you talk to as many people as you can and then disseminate the information.  Know that there may be biases in play and form conclusions accordingly. 

If you ask enough of the right questions you can usually get an accurate guide. 

Agree. 

Also from personal experience, reference checking is not done or poorly done in all organisations whether it be the corner store or large sophisticated organisations. 

Usual process- a board sub committee involving board members and external specialists define the role need, then identify candidates.  They propose preferred candidate(s) to the board.  Board as a whole decides.  My assumption is a process like this was followed.

the current CEO has no role in the process, unless he is invited onto the sub committee.

There is so much p!ss and wind in Caro’s article.  For a CEO to stay in the one job for 11 years is remarkable.  Usual tenure is 3-5.  Perhaps he has the ideal skill-set for the next phase of our organisation.  All the rest is froth and bubbles.

I assume appropriate due diligence was followed.  After that, asking every toothless idiot and their dog for an opinion is a waste of time and effort.

Good luck to Pert in his new role.

1 hour ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

One question I would like to ask is:

Has Pert held a presser with PJ to announce his signing? I ask that as a legitimate question as I live OS and haven't seen anything online.

My impression would have been that given the amount of public airtime that we give to rookies extending their contracts (which usually have an extra year to run in any case when they re-sign), why aren't we pumping up this supposed 'coup' as much as we could? Why did the club have to do organize a formal meet and greet session to clarify things moving forward? If it were Josh Mahoney, it would have been a five minute announcement to staff then onto a presser with full regalia.

I do understand that Perty mightn't want to step on PJ'S toes and that a bloke like PJ would never let him but a few reassuring noises about letting PJ do his job until October while soaking up as much knowledge as he can about the joint would be reassuring.

PJ is retiring. His choice, there is no need for a presser

He has said he will work till October, i expert Pert to transition through September

43 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

Usual process- a board sub committee involving board members and external specialists define the role need, then identify candidates.  They propose preferred candidate(s) to the board.  Board as a whole decides.  My assumption is a process like this was followed.

the current CEO has no role in the process, unless he is invited onto the sub committee.

There is so much p!ss and wind in Caro’s article.  For a CEO to stay in the one job for 11 years is remarkable.  Usual tenure is 3-5.  Perhaps he has the ideal skill-set for the next phase of our organisation.  All the rest is froth and bubbles.

I assume appropriate due diligence was followed.  After that, asking every toothless idiot and their dog for an opinion is a waste of time and effort.

Good luck to Pert in his new role.

Agreed. PJ has written himself into our history with absolute respect, he is not part of the next phase, apart from a transition period. 

I am sure his phone will be switched on

14 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Sorry chap the administrative side is a buisness we have CEO, CFO and COO, not sure which bit confuses you

Wilson did not name the 'influential' Melbourne 'supporters' so rumour

I asked PJ would he be ticking off the appointment before it was announced and straight out 'to a supporter' he said no, a board decision, why I find the article a load of [censored]

Sorry chap, you missed the point, which was that I was surprised PJ wasn't involved in any way. Not sure which bit you are struggling with, unless you don't trust him or disagree with his opinions. 

The admin is part of a football club, which is not like a "normal business". Comparing a footy club with a normal business is a mistake, otherwise we would've folded years ago 

Caro has better intel than you could ever hope to salivate over. Sour grapes

As mentioned previous a mate of mine who had a major association with Collingwood said one thing to me when this was announced

"Good Luck"

7 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

PJ is retiring. His choice, there is no need for a presser

He has said he will work till October, i expert Pert to transition through September

But part of my question is why has Pert at the least not done a token press conference? I bet you London to a brick that had an internal candidate been appointed, there would have been some photo of him sporting a club tie and posing in front of a club backdrop.

Pert has been hidden away like Kane before the Undertaker's hell in a cell match against Shawn Michaels in 1997 (old school wrestling fans will appreciate that reference).

3 minutes ago, picket fence said:

As mentioned previous a mate of mine who had a major association with Collingwood said one thing to me when this was announced

"Good Luck"

Thank you.

I feel better now.

3 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

But part of my question is why has Pert at the least not done a token press conference? I bet you London to a brick that had an internal candidate been appointed, there would have been some photo of him sporting a club tie and posing in front of a club backdrop.

Pert has been hidden away like Kane before the Undertaker's hell in a cell match against Shawn Michaels in 1997 (old school wrestling fans will appreciate that reference).

Maybe he is taking a holiday before he starts. He has a big job ahead if him. 

12-14 hour days would be the norm i suspect. 

PJ is our CEO till October. 3 months to go, not 3 weeks

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Maybe he is taking a holiday before he starts. He has a big job ahead if him. 

12-14 hour days would be the norm i suspect. 

PJ is our CEO till October. 3 months to go, not 3 weeks

So he can do a morning tea at the club to clear the air but he can't have a photo taken for publicity purposes as it will impinge on his holidays? :S

Edited June 30, 20186 yr by Colin B. Flaubert

2 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Sorry chap, you missed the point, which was that I was surprised PJ wasn't involved in any way. Not sure which bit you are struggling with, unless you don't trust him or disagree with his opinions. 

The admin is part of a football club, which is not like a "normal business". Comparing a footy club with a normal business is a mistake, otherwise we would've folded years ago 

Caro has better intel than you could ever hope to salivate over. Sour grapes

I am not surprised he wasn't involved, not sure why you are

We did nearly fold years ago

This is business now, it is 2018, not meat raffles any more

I asked him a direct question and got a direct answer, trust him not to [censored] to me, which was the case

 

19 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

So he can do a morning tea at the club to clear the air but he can't have a photo taken for publicity purposes as it will impinge on his holidays? :S

Why do you need a presser?

it was all done with a cuppa last week

3 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

Usual process- a board sub committee involving board members and external specialists define the role need, then identify candidates.  They propose preferred candidate(s) to the board.  Board as a whole decides.  My assumption is a process like this was followed.

the current CEO has no role in the process, unless he is invited onto the sub committee.

There is so much p!ss and wind in Caro’s article.  For a CEO to stay in the one job for 11 years is remarkable.  Usual tenure is 3-5.  Perhaps he has the ideal skill-set for the next phase of our organisation.  All the rest is froth and bubbles.

I assume appropriate due diligence was followed.  After that, asking every toothless idiot and their dog for an opinion is a waste of time and effort.

Good luck to Pert in his new role.

How do we know he wasn't involved in setting up the criteria for the candidates and just wasn't included in making the final decision.  We don't and on the basis of her article either does she. There's a good reason he shouldn't have been involved in the final decision. He's completely compromised as already had his preferred candidates he'd groomed before the process was even started. He was never going to be able to make a proper independent decision.

She doesn't know what due diligence was carried out. Balme, Walsh and the bloke who conducted the internal Collingwood investigation would all have been restricted by very tight non disclosure provisions in their contracts.  They wouldn't have been able to comment even if they had been approached. 

Perty's experience in facilities and membership development would have been unmatched by a football dept with no commercial experience or evidently any of the other candidates. Having said that. What do I know. I have to admit a certain CS's CV looked unparalleled at the time as well. Say no more. My point is her article appears to be full of lots of assumptions and very little actual knowledge. Except for quoting Malthouse's criticism as a black mark. Most others in the footy world would see the opposite.