1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

So he has gone backwards, my point, he lacks consistency, when it gets hot he disappears

He is an outside accumulator

Everybody is entitled to an opinion, personally to paraphrase Talking Footy 'overrated' for me

This isn’t the Watts thread, you should know better.

I’d love Billy to become a player and demand a spot in the 22 but it’s clear to people with even half an idea that it’s going to take quite some time to happen - if at all. I can’t wait for it to happen when someone like Gaff is available.

So why is the club interested in Gaff if he is nothing more than an accumulator, Saty? Seems like you know more than the club. Again. 

Just now, Wiseblood said:

So why is the club interested in Gaff if he is nothing more than an accumulator, Saty? Seems like you know more than the club. Again. 

It’s OK, Stretch is better apparently and Gaff is overrated 

22 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

So why is the club interested in Gaff if he is nothing more than an accumulator, Saty? Seems like you know more than the club. Again. 

He is a free agent, so most clubs will have a look

It is rumoured we are interested

My opinion, everybody is allowed an opinion, unless of course you subscribe to the group speak, opinions are neither right or wrong

Always thought of him as an accumulator, rather than a ball winner, goes missing when the heat is on more often that not,  ie the Sydney game last weekend

If we sign him, means the club rate him, so will support him as a MFC player, there are players on our list at the moment that I have opinions about that are different to others, again it doesn't mean one is wrong and the other right

Unfortunately some on here can't debate, they just deride

 

15 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

It is rumoured we are interested

 

2 minutes ago, McQueen said:

 

Of course we are interested, he is a free agent, lot of water under the bridge yet though, no issue with the club if they bring him in, I just don't rate him as a player, everybody has a different opinion, each week Goody picks a side, not everybody likes who he picks

I just don't understand the absolute hysteria surrounding him, he may be a reasonable player, but he is no superstar

We’re going to lose some experienced players over the next couple of seasons and don’t have many players in the mid-20’s age bracket who are best 22. For the right price and considering he is an RFA, Gaff would be ideal. 

Edited June 17, 20187 yr by Ethan Tremblay

1 hour ago, SFebey said:

It’s OK, Stretch is better apparently and Gaff is overrated 

Misrepresenting what I said to make a point

I think Gaff is overrated

Think Stretch has the tools to be developed into a player who can fill the role everybody thinks Gaff is made for

stretch is not in the same class as gaff

he has a lot of development left in him, but i still doubt whether he'll approach being at gaff's level of output

gotta get gaff

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

A superstar wins B&F consistently and wins the Brownlow, my answer to Picket, his win in 2015 surprised everybody, and that was a couple of years ago, he is an accumulator, and he is not fast, where this impression comes from I have no idea

Doesn't matter about my opinion, it is my opinion, so it is not irrelevant

Stretch is being developed, it may work, it may not

Lance Franklin - Superstar

• 7× All-Australian team: 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2016, 2017
• 4× Coleman Medal: 2008, 2011, 2014, 2017
• Peter Crimmins Medal: 2008
• 6× Hawthorn leading goalkicker: 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
• 4× Sydney Swans leading goalkicker: 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
• 2× AFL Goal of the Year: 2010, 2013
• Australian representative honours in international rules football: 2013
• Dream Team representative honours in AFL Hall of Fame Tribute Match: 2008
• Indigenous All-Stars representative honours: 2013
• AFL Rising Star nominee: 2005

A single best and fairest and no Brownlows, from a bloke who may be in the top-20 all time players....

 

Interesting theory Saty.  All Australians are also a good indicator of the quality of a player.....

10 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Misrepresenting what I said to make a point

I think Gaff is overrated

Think Stretch has the tools to be developed into a player who can fill the role everybody thinks Gaff is made for

The only point I’d like to make is you were wrong and didn’t admit nor apologise 

3 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

He hasn't managed a West Coast B&F or a high finish at the Brownlow, so superstar may be a slight overreach on your part

Those against Gaff coming to Melbourne are not being reticent, expressing opinion openly

Yep, I get people expressing their opinions but I think they're not looking at the bigger picture.

...you can't judge him by a game like Friday night which was a glorified game of rugby in many respects.  Nor can you go on the outside player reputation he's often tagged with as this year he's shown he can get his own ball.

With the changes coming into the game next year, and they will come the game will open out a lot more and it will be imperative to have runners like Gaff. It's probably our biggest weakness.

An open forward line is going to be great for us with Tommy Mac, Hogan and Weid, Oliver will be unstoppable around the ball but we still need class runners bringing the ball in.

I've just grabbed the popcorn.. watching saty getting his pants pulled down over and over and being shown how so far out of his depth he is with the modern game is actually quiet hilarious!

Carry on please.

36 minutes ago, SFebey said:

The only point I’d like to make is you were wrong and didn’t admit nor apologise 

Wrong why, I explained my answer, rather than take potshots like others

Why apologise, his B&F shocked hardcore West Coast supporters, because I know a few

What's wrong? can't handle a different opinion, you didn't answer my post, but I expect little else

Interesting that lesser mortals leave this site, as if they dare to be contrary, they get abuse/derision/etc etc

 

21 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I've just grabbed the popcorn.. watching saty getting his pants pulled down over and over and being shown how so far out of his depth he is with the modern game is actually quiet hilarious!

Carry on please.

Hey faux tough guy, your normal running in from behind to king hit, without actually contributing to the topic, classy

It is an opinion of a particular player, if you don't agree and have a contrary view, how about expressing why, or is it just the

"oh my he is a free agent, let's get him'

 

6 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Wrong why, I explained my answer, rather than take potshots like others

Why apologise, his B&F shocked hardcore West Coast supporters, because I know a few

What's wrong? can't handle a different opinion, you didn't answer my post, but I expect little else

Interesting that lesser mortals leave this site, as if they dare to be contrary, they get abuse/derision/etc etc

 

Hey faux tough guy, your normal running in from behind to king hit, without actually contributing to the topic, classy

It is an opinion of a particular player, if you don't agree and have a contrary view, how about expressing why, or is it just the

"oh my he is a free agent, let's get him'

 

If you know West Coast supporters who were shocked he won a best and fairest why did you say he hadn’t won one?

Just now, Baghdad Bob said:

If you know West Coast supporters who were shocked he won a best and fairest why did you say he hadn’t won one?

Boom. 

19 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Wrong why, I explained my answer, rather than take potshots like others

Why apologise, his B&F shocked hardcore West Coast supporters, because I know a few

What's wrong? can't handle a different opinion, you didn't answer my post, but I expect little else

Interesting that lesser mortals leave this site, as if they dare to be contrary, they get abuse/derision/etc etc

 

Hey faux tough guy, your normal running in from behind to king hit, without actually contributing to the topic, classy

It is an opinion of a particular player, if you don't agree and have a contrary view, how about expressing why, or is it just the

"oh my he is a free agent, let's get him'

 

You’re a pathetic poster. You never admit you’re wrong or apologise to anyone. I never attack other posters but your posts are so far from credible that I actually can’t tell if you’re serious. In one post you say Gaff never won a BnF, then turn around and say that everyone thought it was a surprise, just lol! Gaff for 6 years in a row has had top 8 finishes in their BnF, with a better bunch of mids than Melb has seen for a long time. He turned 26 yesterday and has plenty of upside.

I don’t care what the club does, I’d prefer Neale but happy to back the club in due to their recent form. I wouldn’t pay overs for him but with an increasing salary cap and retiring players over the next two years I’m sure the club can make it work.

Im still laughing at your Billy Stretch admiration, nice kid, but a rabbit in the headlights who has never shown pace or run at AFL level.

The funny thing is I don’t care about your opinion on Gaff, all I’m saying is you have been proven wrong again.

On ignore you go ?

Edited June 17, 20187 yr by SFebey

34 minutes ago, rjay said:

Yep, I get people expressing their opinions but I think they're not looking at the bigger picture.

...you can't judge him by a game like Friday night which was a glorified game of rugby in many respects.  Nor can you go on the outside player reputation he's often tagged with as this year he's shown he can get his own ball.

With the changes coming into the game next year, and they will come the game will open out a lot more and it will be imperative to have runners like Gaff. It's probably our biggest weakness.

An open forward line is going to be great for us with Tommy Mac, Hogan and Weid, Oliver will be unstoppable around the ball but we still need class runners bringing the ball in.

Gaff has had games like last Friday night, agree he has been showing more inside this year, but when the heat was on against an aggressive inside midfield, he went missing

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Wrong why, I explained my answer, rather than take potshots like others

...you didn't answer my post, but I expect little else.

Hey faux tough guy, your normal running in from behind to king hit, without actually contributing to the topic, classy

 

Two pot shots in the same post. Hilarious!

And why are you worried by supporters view of Gaff when you continually tell us “the coaches know best”?  Do WCE supporters or coaches vote in their B&F?

1 minute ago, Baghdad Bob said:

And why are you worried by supporters view of Gaff when you continually tell us “the coaches know best”?  Do WCE supporters or coaches vote in their B&F?

I am not worried, gee paraphrasing, misrepresentation, runs the whole gamut of trying to point score

Forgot this was a schoolyard for 'grownups'

"Superstars" regularly win B&F my point to Picket, he won once, in a victory that was a shock to West Coast supporters I know, some think he is brilliant, others have the same opinion as me, an accumulator and nothing else, in comparison may I say nobody was surprised when Clarry won MFC B&F

If we select Gaff, cool, can then sit back and watch the angst if he doesn't chase defensively or go when it is his turn

13 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Two pot shots in the same post. Hilarious!

I am answering like for like, the only language some on here understand, if there is a discussion/debate then fair enough, but hey contrary opinion to the group think.......only derision

 

17 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Gaff has had games like last Friday night, agree he has been showing more inside this year, but when the heat was on against an aggressive inside midfield, he went missing

 

 

 

Your fascination with his efforts on Friday night is interesting.  It's like you're basing your entire feelings around Gaff on one game.  His year has been stellar outside of that game and he has shown, numerous times, that he can perform when the heat is on.  With so many in and under types he would complement our midfield group superbly.

Billy Stretch has been on our list for years now and, if anything, his contributions have gone backwards.  He doesn't have the footy IQ or running capacity to be on a level like Gaff's.  I'd love for him to do it, but on the output I've seen I highly doubt it will come to fruition.

32 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

If you know West Coast supporters who were shocked he won a best and fairest why did you say he hadn’t won one?

BANG!!!!

4 hours ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

With all due respect Saty, I think you are wrong here.

Last year against Port in an elimination final he had 34 touches. Then in the next final he had 25, so hardly went missing when the heat was on.

Grand Final in 2015 he had 34 also. So I think he has proven that he can stand up in big games.

While he is obviously not a brute in the middle like Oliver, he's a different type of player and one we don't really have. I don't believe he is worth any more than $700k a season though, unlike someone like Oliver who in 2-3 years will be easily worth over a mill a season. 

Due respect? Not sure he's earned it...

He's talking absolute rubbish as usual.