11 hours ago, tiers said:

The past two premiership coaches have built a structure and a game plan on the resources at hand. We can speculate on our structure and game plan but I suspect that it will depend on the availability, form and fitness of the players.

 

I'm a firm believer this is why Buckley has been such an ordinary coach to date. Instead of utilising the talent he had he has always been trying to change the group into a mould that may or may not be successful. You need to work with the strengths of your current group and at the same time have and eye to the future.

16 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

I'm a firm believer this is why Buckley has been such an ordinary coach to date. Instead of utilising the talent he had he has always been trying to change the group into a mould that may or may not be successful. You need to work with the strengths of your current group and at the same time have and eye to the future.

Interestingly, someone I know (admittedly not well) who used to do some work at the club told me that one of the coaching differences between Neeld and Roos was that Neeld followed the Malthouse view that players needed to change to meet what the coach requires (and if they couldn't, they were jettisoned) whereas Roos believed that coaches should work with what they've got and build around each players' strengths.    

Buckley's major post-player career mistake to date has been staying at Collingwood and not experiencing alternative approaches to coaching other than the Malthouse style. 

Re Roos coaching. In 2005 he built a defensive structure and game plan around Roberts-Thompson at CHB who was generally considered to be a fringe player at best. His only task was to stop his opponents from getting clean possession and then it was up to his team mates to clean up.

He succeeded so well that Sydney won the flag and LRT was seriously considered by many good judges to have been a candidate for the Norm Smith medal.

Of all of Roos' coaching achievements, this was his best. Each player has a role based on his particular ability and it's up to the coach to identify and define that rol and make it work for the team.

6 minutes ago, tiers said:

Re Roos coaching. In 2005 he built a defensive structure and game plan around Roberts-Thompson at CHB who was generally considered to be a fringe player at best. His only task was to stop his opponents from getting clean possession and then it was up to his team mates to clean up.

He succeeded so well that Sydney won the flag and LRT was seriously considered by many good judges to have been a candidate for the Norm Smith medal.

Of all of Roos' coaching achievements, this was his best. Each player has a role based on his particular ability and it's up to the coach to identify and define that rol and make it work for the team.

Could OMac become our LRT at CHB and Frost become the 2018 Demon version of Sean Wight, sprinting out from FB, with either Lewis or Lever shouting at them what to do with the ball when they get it!

 

11 hours ago, Thrice said:

The first 15 rounds of 2017 we were the highest pressure side in the comp before falling away due to injury etc. Our best footy last year was streaming inside 50 in waves and scoring through general play or hit ups to free players. 

Goody has shown his hand on this one. He's looking far more closely at Beveridge and Hardwick than The Gospel of Chazz.

We've got quality KPFs but I doubt we'll see more than 2 in there too often this year. And mobility / forward pressure will be one of the main KPIs of those that do play, something TMac has especially.

The mobility and forward pressure of Tmc won't help our forward line when he is pinch-hitting in the ruck.

Why do you think Pedo has trimmed down and worked a lot on his tank?  Will be the same when/if Weed can come on (TMc will become the relief ruck).

You've said it yourself, we have 2 quality KPFs in Hogan and McDonald.  Our entire forward line structure, and a lot of our game plan, would be built around the way those 2 work together.  You take one of them out to give Gawn a chop out, and your structure is impacted.  One solution is to rest Gawn forward, but as you said, mobility/forward pressure will be a KPI, something that will let Gawn down.

51 minutes ago, tiers said:

Re Roos coaching. In 2005 he built a defensive structure and game plan around Roberts-Thompson at CHB who was generally considered to be a fringe player at best. His only task was to stop his opponents from getting clean possession and then it was up to his team mates to clean up.

He succeeded so well that Sydney won the flag and LRT was seriously considered by many good judges to have been a candidate for the Norm Smith medal.

Of all of Roos' coaching achievements, this was his best. Each player has a role based on his particular ability and it's up to the coach to identify and define that rol and make it work for the team.

Difference with Roos at Sydney and Roos at Melbourne, he had the players around the likes of LRT that could be relied on.  He had also been there for 3 years or so before that flag, so he had that time to train/teach those other players.

There was SFA that Roos could do in his first year with us, in terms of finding an average role player (similar to LRT), then moulding the rest of the team around that.

OMc is a great comparison to LRT in many ways, and we saw how well (at times) he performed last year, mainly because Goodwin had the cattle around him to help succeed (Jetta, Hibberd, Hunt).

20 hours ago, The Chazz said:

2 keys + a ruck relief is the answer, and ask more of our wingers to help lock it in.

Richmond flukes a premiership with a makeshift forward line.  Their's is an exception to the rule, and I sincerely hope we don't follow them.

 

I think it's more about working with what you've got instead of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Small forward lines will work if your players are talented and driven enough. But you're not going to drop a big guy for a small guy if the big guy is more talented and offers more to the team (and vice versa).

 

 

1 hour ago, The Chazz said:

One solution is to rest Gawn forward, but as you said, mobility/forward pressure will be a KPI, something that will let Gawn down.

Why?

 

 

 

 

 

40 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Why?

Not hard to work out, really.

31 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

Not hard to work out, really.

Actually it is. Gawn resting forward would generally be deep forward, he'd draw at least one tall defender (possibly 2), and our forwards would know the balls likely to come in long and high at Maxy, be at his feat then work hard to apply defensive pressure if theres a turn over...

If you're implying Max is unaccountable or disinclined to chase, I disagree. 

19 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

Actually it is. Gawn resting forward would generally be deep forward, he'd draw at least one tall defender (possibly 2), and our forwards would know the balls likely to come in long and high at Maxy, be at his feat then work hard to apply defensive pressure if theres a turn over...

If you're implying Max is unaccountable or disinclined to chase, I disagree. 

 

It was Max running down Selwood that led to his hamstring injury last season.

He definitely puts in the effort when the ball hits the deck.

 

3 hours ago, The Chazz said:

Not hard to work out, really.

Then elucidate, rather than a glib reply

I watch Max work his arse off at training to ensure around the ground he is not a liability which you seem to be inferring he is

42 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Then elucidate, rather than a glib reply

I watch Max work his arse off at training to ensure around the ground he is not a liability which you seem to be inferring he is

implying..not inferring...you are inferring...sorry pedants corner (typed whilst ducking for cover)

53 minutes ago, Salems Lot said:

implying..not inferring...you are inferring...sorry pedants corner (typed whilst ducking for cover)

No he was inferring, as he obviously believes the evidence he has is correct even though if differs from others perception of Max's abilities

24 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

No he was inferring, as he obviously believes the evidence he has is correct even though if differs from others perception of Max's abilities

Others or other’s?

10 hours ago, D4Life said:

Could OMac become our LRT at CHB and Frost become the 2018 Demon version of Sean Wight, sprinting out from FB, with either Lewis or Lever shouting at them what to do with the ball when they get it!

 

I miss Sean Wight.

12 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Interestingly, someone I know (admittedly not well) who used to do some work at the club told me that one of the coaching differences between Neeld and Roos was that Neeld followed the Malthouse view that players needed to change to meet what the coach requires (and if they couldn't, they were jettisoned) whereas Roos believed that coaches should work with what they've got and build around each players' strengths.    

Buckley's major post-player career mistake to date has been staying at Collingwood and not experiencing alternative approaches to coaching other than the Malthouse style. 

Malthouse won his premiership with the "rat pack". And some other brilliant players but flawed individuals. 

Interestingly he went to Carlton and culled the same type of players like our own Jeff Garlett that were guns but misfiring in an area. 

 

Is there training tomorrow at Gosch's @satyricon