I'd take this. Just Pick 29 is not enough IMO.

 

Out: Watts + Pick 64
In: Impey + Pick 29

So if Watts goes that's another number 1 pic who walks out the door along with god knows how many other top 25 pics over the yrs. 

How diff could it have been if we could have developed these players properly.  

Goodwin and Co better know what the hell they r doing.

God this footy club makes it hard to continually support them. 

Edited September 27, 20178 yr by DemonOX

Potentially we are trading a highly skilled tall flanker that has had consistent issues with his application  who has been in the system coming up 8 years.

If the situation is that we are allowing a player to continue to eke a living out of the club without the appropriate consistent level of application can we afford to keep him on the list?

If the club is trading him to set higher standards then I support it.   

10 hours ago, deefella said:

I'd like this: 

In: Wines, Lever, Menzel (FA)

Out: Watts, Pick 10

Every Melbourne supporter would like that. It's laughable.

After Jones confirmed last week that Watts is one of those players that doesn't sacrifice enough and live football 24/7, I think Pick 29 is right. Clearly he's a 27 year old that is just happy being an AFL player.

Hopefully a couple of clubs get into a bidding war and we do a bit better than that but I think he's a mid to late 2nd rounder now.

I'd then go and get Menzel for nothing and you replace Watts with a like-for-like and bank a pick 29 to get you back into the top 30 of the draft, or use in trades. 

If 6 straight up would get Lever. I'd do Watts +10 for 6 + 36 to the Pies.

20 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

So if Watts goes that's another number 1 pic who walks out the door along with god knows how many other top 25 pics over the yrs. 

How diff could it have been if we could have developed these players properly.  

Goodwin and Co better know what the hell they r doing.

God this footy club makes it hard to continually support them. 

One of the darkest periods of the MFC resulted in burning a bucket load of early picks, either through picking he wrong players & definitely poor development/culture, but thats the past!

Current regime need to make tough decisions to improve the list & bring in players who can play the intensity required to not only play but win finals inc a flag. On current form since 2014 they have continued to increase wins & improve our list. If it means Watts going to get Lever its worth it as you need to give something up to get something. Question is can Watts improve anymore vs what improvement Lever can.

19 hours ago, mongrel said:

 

@AkumMy brother is friends with a really close friend of Jack. Said that Jack has been told a Port trade is possibly in play.

I know I know, he said she said but was just wondering what a trade to PA would look like.

Your brother might be right.

Looks more and more likely hes going. Confirmed on SEN he toured Port facilities.

 

Edited September 27, 20178 yr by DSP

I can imagine the welcome speech by Koch!

10 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Looks like that slime bag Waldron was right

Yes and no. Watts might go but it has nothing to do with getting Lever.

Wholl kick that winning goal after the siren in the GF now I wonder.

If he goes , and of itself well thats just footy, but it was always supposed to be about betterment.

Some folk will be wringing hands in glee. I think it a tad sad. Hope this club knows what it's doing. 

 

9 minutes ago, Demon77 said:

I can imagine the welcome speech by Koch!

What's the bet when he plays against us next season he will be bog. 

U could easily see that happening. 

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Wholl kick that winning goal after the siren in the GF now I wonder.

If he goes , and of itself well thats just footy, but it was always supposed to be about betterment.

Some folk will be wringing hands in glee. I think it a tad sad. Hope this club knows what it's doing.

Hehe, what if he kicks the winning goal after the siren in a GF, against us!!!

Oh, the unbearable irony. 

Edited September 27, 20178 yr by Lucifer's Hero

6 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

What's the bet when he plays against us next season he will be bog. 

U could easily see that happening. 

The post match discussion should be a treat.

If he does go I wish him nothing but the best, he's endured enough even though some might say from his own doing.

With our team getting better over the last couple of seasons we saw some really good footy from Jack and some splendid efforts.

Like BB stated, that's footy but still sad to see him go.

Watts for pick 29 ? you have to be joking.

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

If 6 straight up would get Lever. I'd do Watts +10 for 6 + 36 to the Pies.

The question I have with the pick upgrade is why would the Pies help us get Lever when they're in the market for him?

 

Reading a lot of differing opinions on here. I have been told this from someone on inside a month or so back, that may help why it has come to this.....

When we had T.Mac up in forward line with Pedo, or Watts, or Hogan, etc. it was a commonly held opinion at selection that the forward line lacked the finals like, locked down pressure. T.Mac was a big culprit. It placed pressure on the others to do the heavy lifting of providing such pressure. This is where Jack was really exposed. McCartney believes that Jack doesn’t have ‘finals mindset’ in the way he goes about his business. He also was a big advocate in NOT bringing  him back for the final game against Collingwood. Hence, from mid year, there were many discussions about Jack, and would he be a liability come finals. This negative talk about him didn’t help that his form had gone down.

From a personal view, he will be a very good player in a very good team. Staying could see him at that elite level. But it’s clear the coaching panel have no confidence in him and this has really got through to him now. The major concern has to be, how he return to the club last pre season. He was content with a good year, previous. That attitude is not that of a great player and It’s time for everyone to part ways.

Lastly, we can’t demand too much in the way of a trade. His an average to good player. If we get a 2nd rounder and a player, that would be a plus in my book. Anything better would highway robbery!

 

Edited September 27, 20178 yr by Balls14

please please let him go to Collingwood.

1 minute ago, Balls14 said:

Reading a lot of differing opinions on here. I have been told this from someone on inside a month or so back, that may help why it has come to this.....

When we had T.Mac up in forward line with Pedo, or Watts, or Hogan, etc. it was a commonly held opinion at selection that the forward line lacked the finals like, locked down pressure. T.Mac was a big culprit. It placed pressure on the others to do the heavy lifting of providing such pressure. This is where Jack was really exposed. McCartney believes that Jack doesn’t have ‘finals mindset’ in the way he does about his business. He also was a big advocate in NOT bringing  him back for the final game against Collingwood. Hence, from mid year, there were many discussion about Jack, and would he be a liability come finals. This negative talk about him didn’t help that his form had gone down.

From a personal view, he will be a very good player in a very good team. Staying could see him at that elite level. But it’s clear the coaching panel have no confidence in him and this has really got through to him now. The major concern has to be, how he return to the club last pre season. He was content with a good year, previous. That attitude is not that of a great player and It’s time for everyone to part ways.

Lastly, we can’t demand too much in the way of a trade. His an average to good player. If we get a 2nd rounder and a player, that would be a plus in my book. Anything better would highway robbery!

 

Most of what you say makes a lot of sense. Except imo the part about Watts being a very good player in a very good team. Yes, we all know he can be a great user of the footy. But that alone just does not cut it in modern day footy. – Lets look at two of the most recent "very good sides" .. Western Bulldogs last year & Richmond this year.. What do they both have in common? Effort !!!! Run, manic pressure, tackling, 2nd / 3rd and 4th efforts, contest after contest. No player that does not give 100%, no weak links. That is why Watts would NOT be great for either of these sides. It is the recipe for a successful side and he is not the right ingredient. That's why we need to move him on, and get whatever we can for him.

7 minutes ago, Die Hard Demon said:

Most of what you say makes a lot of sense. Except imo the part about Watts being a very good player in a very good team. Yes, we all know he can be a great user of the footy. But that alone just does not cut it in modern day footy. – Lets look at two of the most recent "very good sides" .. Western Bulldogs last year & Richmond this year.. What do they both have in common? Effort !!!! Run, manic pressure, tackling, 2nd / 3rd and 4th efforts, contest after contest. No player that does not give 100%, no weak links. That is why Watts would NOT be great for either of these sides. It is the recipe for a successful side and he is not the right ingredient. That's why we need to move him on, and get whatever we can for him.

That a fair point you make. But my opinion is based on the fact that our midfield WILL become elite in the next couple of seasons and the ball going forward will be more frequent and effective. Hence, making its easier for players like him.

We all sat here furious that we missed finals. I'm still furious about it. [censored] Richmond are in the bloody GF!

Anyways, a big part of why we missed out on finals is we got too content, too lazy, we lacked that killer instincts. Yes this is definitely not exclusively the fault of Watts, but gees he is a perfect example of a player who doesn't care enough. He isn't alone, but for 10 years we've struggled to get him to apply himself, and as a senior player now, that sort of not quite right attitude seeps thru the playing group if not handled correctly. 

I have always been a Watts supporter and defender, but if we sit here bemoaning our lack of results and our dismal round 23 capitulation, and yet we do nothing to rid the club of those who don't put in enough, then how can we expect to move forward?

As supporters we need to stop feeling personally victimized by players being moved on and accept that sometimes 10 years and 7 coaching regimes fighting to better a player's attitude is long enough. 

24 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

please please let him go to Collingwood.

For Moore only

1 minute ago, Balls14 said:

That a fair point you make. But my opinion is based on the fact that our midfield WILL become elite in the next couple of seasons and the ball going forward will be more frequent and effective. Hence, making its easier for players like him.

I don't doubt they will be elite. As is GWS midfield. But for 2 years straight they have lost the prelim to two sides who don't have as much talent .. but what they do have are 22 blokes that give everything for 120min. I don't want one skillful individual who is not prepared to be on the same page as 21 other guys. Agree with me or not.. Watts has been on our list long enough now to know that he just will never bring the required effort to make a grand final – and WIN it!

Just now, Die Hard Demon said:

I don't doubt they will be elite. As is GWS midfield. But for 2 years straight they have lost the prelim to two sides who don't have as much talent .. but what they do have are 22 blokes that give everything for 120min. I don't want one skillful individual who is not prepared to be on the same page as 21 other guys. Agree with me or not.. Watts has been on our list long enough now to know that he just will never bring the required effort to make a grand final – and WIN it!

Can’t disagree with that rationale. You’re on the money here.