We need to rid as many as we can from the losing culture error, we all know who they are. Vince and Lewis cant play in the same side IMO

  On 29/08/2017 at 02:35, Abe said:

the players I see as trade bait for the right offer 

dom Tyson 

tom McDonald 

aaron vandenberg 

jay Kennedy Harris 

billy stretch 

Christian Salem 

sam weideman 

T Mac !

the guys has played two bad games in his career at the MFC. 

Have you forgotten the 5 goal winning game  against the Eagles a few short weeks ago?

Give me a break.

Trade tmcd ??  Sure he fumbles, makes bad decisions and creates turnovers. But that was half the team based on last week. He is a big strong back needed to match up on opposing big Fwds. Just needs to be smart. 

Trade sam Weideman??? Wtf?? He is developing nicely and next year will be a key to our growth into a top 4 team. Needs a summer in the gym. Compliments Hogan.  He will click and watch out !!

@Whispering_Jack

Unleash the Drafts and Trading board.

I am ready for a pile of unsubstantiated rumors and the inevitable 'big fish' that never eventuates. 

  On 29/08/2017 at 03:05, old dee said:

T Mac !

the guys has played two bad games in his career at the MFC. 

Have you forgotten the 5 goal winning game  against the Eagles a few short weeks ago?

Give me a break.

Copy that old dee, going forward and winning games playing in the ruck, give us a break.............!!!!!!!!!!

  On 28/08/2017 at 11:59, Ethan Tremblay said:

Delist them all then make them fight to the death for a spot back on the list. It's the only way, I've thought long and hard about this. 

Maintain that rage!

  On 29/08/2017 at 03:13, spirit of norm smith said:

Trade tmcd ??  Sure he fumbles, makes bad decisions and creates turnovers. But that was half the team based on last week. He is a big strong back needed to match up on opposing big Fwds. Just needs to be smart. 

Trade sam Weideman??? Wtf?? He is developing nicely and next year will be a key to our growth into a top 4 team. Needs a summer in the gym. Compliments Hogan.  He will click and watch out !!

How is he developing nicely?

Curnow and Hipwood are developing nicely. Weideman has shown little to get excited about.

The gym is always a cop out for a reason. Hipwood is much skinnier. 

I am still as grumpy as a Scot at a charity donation, but I can't believe some of the stuff being proposed on this thread. 

Hulett, Trengove, Kennedy and White look the closest to being delisted. Apart from them, even as bad as missing finals is, it would be a total waste of the Roos era to start swinging the hatchet anywhere it can strike blood. Our list doesn't need some wild, unfocused slashing - it needs a surgeons precision to help a very talented list improve.

Possible to trade - IF we can improve our list:

1) Frost or TMac as much as I don't want to lose either of them. Might get us a Lever type defender.

2) Salem or Tyson if we can use them in conjunction with other draft numbers/current players  to recuit an A grade midfielder. Probably not possible, they are probably not enough currency to get what we want.

Garland might move on to coaching, and Spencer will get a gig somewhere else.

With some recent rookie elevations,  I actually can't see too much more movement than this, so no more than 6 list changes.

 

  On 29/08/2017 at 05:24, Watts the matter said:

How is he developing nicely?

Curnow and Hipwood are developing nicely. Weideman has shown little to get excited about.

The gym is always a cop out for a reason. Hipwood is much skinnier. 

and to even think we passed on curnow for weideman smh

  On 29/08/2017 at 05:24, Watts the matter said:

How is he developing nicely?

Curnow and Hipwood are developing nicely. Weideman has shown little to get excited about.

The gym is always a cop out for a reason. Hipwood is much skinnier. 

How much do you expect from a tall coming into a system after playing next to no footy in his draft year? When drafted if they said he might get a taste in his first year then play 5 - 10 games in year 2, we all would have thought that was fine, at last we aren't rushing guys in before they are ready and developing them properly.

Hipwood had to be played as they had nothing else up there, plus he seems to have a bigger tank already, Curnow came in as a smaller ready to go player. If you want to compare look at the pick straight after Weid, Harry McKay, he came into the draft with pretty big wraps and has only played the 2 games and was very very ordinary in them. 

Trengrove.......thanks for trying

White

Kennedy........couldnt cut it

Spencer

Bugg.........thanks for only playing half a season cos you have a bad temper, UNprofessional.

Vince...done well

Kent...doesnt seem interested.

AND trade J watts. 

  On 29/08/2017 at 05:51, Red and Blue realist said:

How much do you expect from a tall coming into a system after playing next to no footy in his draft year? When drafted if they said he might get a taste in his first year then play 5 - 10 games in year 2, we all would have thought that was fine, at last we aren't rushing guys in before they are ready and developing them properly.

Hipwood had to be played as they had nothing else up there, plus he seems to have a bigger tank already, Curnow came in as a smaller ready to go player. If you want to compare look at the pick straight after Weid, Harry McKay, he came into the draft with pretty big wraps and has only played the 2 games and was very very ordinary in them. 

McKay has done more than weidman

  On 29/08/2017 at 06:00, Elegt said:

McKay has done more than weidman

Not sure if you've actually seen either play if that's your position.  

  On 28/08/2017 at 05:46, Barney Rubble said:

In your Opinion

A problem with the stat quoted is it only looks at one end...i.e the disposal..the qualifier imho..is effect

Now ol' Christian was far from alone in kicking it to the opposition, or a poorly thought and optioned contest..or the wrong side of a contest or to the middle of f'n nowhere..He wasn't alone in doing any of those things..I sometimes wonder if we don't have training drills in this because we've bloody brilliant at it

Im not sure how far the knife will be plunged come circus time.

The obvious..Harry Who...lamentably also JT   Such a valiant effort.  If only some of our lot had his heart, his dedication, work ethic etc

Im not sure what Wagner offers really going forward so for mine his MFC must be iffy.

I think it's sayonara Ben. Hes been there-abouts but ...just don't think hes what we really need at the top paddock.

Hullett and White must be looking over their shoulders. Kent a major disappointment; just doesnt seem to really want it badly enough...sort of sums up the team really.

Garlo...maybe he has the year as depth  and numbers at Casey. Harris is a poor mans..'any number of names'   Dead lucky hes got paperwork in my view.

Stretch might be on a list alongside Frosty as bargaining chips. Kent might be on it to come to think of it.

I reckon Vince will get ONE more year.that'd be it. He might wax between Casey and Dees though

Jake will test the waters but unsure who'd offer him the #1 gig so might stay

 

I think in the end we'll only change the list by 6-7 players .  Now next year..!!

 

That Howe-Kennedy trade looks absolutely disastrous right now. Howe absolutely [censored] us with the Gold Coast backflip.

  On 29/08/2017 at 06:00, leave it to deever said:

Trengrove.......thanks for trying

White

Kennedy........couldnt cut it

Spencer

Bugg.........thanks for only playing half a season cos you have a bad temper, UNprofessional.

Vince...done well

Kent...doesnt seem interested.

AND trade J watts. 

No way that will happen now, did you read the team review for round 23?

Watts received an apology cause he could've gained a vote.

  On 29/08/2017 at 07:22, Demon77 said:

No way that will happen now, did you read the team review for round 23?

Watts received an apology cause he could've gained a vote.

He was good in the last game but was horrible in his 3 games b4 that.

I hope he goes and plays well somewhere else .......best of luck to him. 

He had a great year last year but he fell away at the end of this one. 

Hes a seasoned player and needs to show leadership. He didnt and If we can get someone who can in his place we should.

I seriously reckon Watts was one of a handful playing with restrictive post injury  bodies.

  On 29/08/2017 at 07:28, beelzebub said:

I seriously reckon Watts was one of a handful playing with restrictive post injury  bodies.

That game against GWS when he took 2 shots on goal from outside 50 only taking 2 or 3 steps showed how little confidence he had in his hammy. I thought we'd be better at injury management this year, but we got it wrong with Watts, then everyone slams him for it.  

  On 29/08/2017 at 05:51, Red and Blue realist said:

How much do you expect from a tall coming into a system after playing next to no footy in his draft year? When drafted if they said he might get a taste in his first year then play 5 - 10 games in year 2, we all would have thought that was fine, at last we aren't rushing guys in before they are ready and developing them properly.

Hipwood had to be played as they had nothing else up there, plus he seems to have a bigger tank already, Curnow came in as a smaller ready to go player. If you want to compare look at the pick straight after Weid, Harry McKay, he came into the draft with pretty big wraps and has only played the 2 games and was very very ordinary in them. 

All well and good to bring up McKay, but I don't rate him and think he will be a bust as well. I was responding to a poster who said he was developing nicely. I don't think anyone thinks McKay is developing nicely.

Curnow and Weideman played the same amount of footy in the two years prior to the draft. 

Hipwood played because there is no one else? That makes it more impressive, we gifted Weideman games this year and he didn't produce. 

I expect him to show qualities that will make a good AFL player, I have not seen these. Some believe they have but I doubt the same people would be saying they have if he was drafted at pick 66.

 

 

  On 29/08/2017 at 07:31, Red and Blue realist said:

That game against GWS when he took 2 shots on goal from outside 50 only taking 2 or 3 steps showed how little confidence he had in his hammy. I thought we'd be better at injury management this year, but we got it wrong with Watts, then everyone slams him for it.  

There were times you could see him struggling with running..I doubt it was for the want of going. I think he started to come good only in the last two games tttt

  On 29/08/2017 at 02:35, Abe said:

the players I see as trade bait for the right offer 

dom Tyson 

tom McDonald 

aaron vandenberg 

jay Kennedy Harris 

billy stretch 

Christian Salem 

sam weideman 

Disagree on McDonald, Salem, Stretch & Weideman 

  On 29/08/2017 at 07:08, SaberFang said:

That Howe-Kennedy trade looks absolutely disastrous right now. Howe absolutely [censored] us with the Gold Coast backflip.

However stooged us

Watts should go. I'm just sick of his bruise free footy.

- Stretch will stay on. I don't rate him because his foot skills are poor but he's still young.

- Kent: dogged by injuries, when he is on he plays great footy. I'd definitely keep him.

- trengove: muat and will go. too slow

-  would love to see oscar go but obviously the club loves him. At the very best he develops into his brother who drives me up the wall with his decision making and poor skills

- garland has to stay. at least it will send oscar back to casey.