12 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

before

 

23 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Cripps broke a leg in his first year 

A good point then. I stand corrected, he was fit enough to play and didn't manage the stats of Oliver. Still, you could definitely argue the broken leg may have hampered his confidence.

55 minutes ago, A F said:

 

A good point then. I stand corrected, he was fit enough to play and didn't manage the stats of Oliver. Still, you could definitely argue the broken leg may have hampered his confidence.

No he actually broke his leg after a couple of games. Was dropped to the VFL after a couple of AFL games and whilst pushing to get back in broke his leg and wad out for a sustained period. May have played a couple of games late in his debut season. But IMO Oliver had more upside/potential than Cripps 

59 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

No he actually broke his leg after a couple of games. Was dropped to the VFL after a couple of AFL games and whilst pushing to get back in broke his leg and wad out for a sustained period. May have played a couple of games late in his debut season. But IMO Oliver had more upside/potential than Cripps 

Thanks mate. Agreed. My only recollection of Cripps' first season was that he was dropped at some point and made no impact.

Just saw reports that he was spotted looking at houses in Elwood. apparently now St Kilda could become a serious contender for his services. 

Surely we would be at least having a quite chat while he's in town?

4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Just saw reports that he was spotted looking at houses in Elwood. apparently now St Kilda could become a serious contender for his services. 

Surely we would be at least having a quite chat while he's in town?

Went to BGS so would want to live around  family and friends. Not hard to travel to Arden street, Moorabin, Dingley or Swan Street from there. 

24 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Just saw reports that he was spotted looking at houses in Elwood. apparently now St Kilda could become a serious contender for his services. 

Surely we would be at least having a quite chat while he's in town?

Doubt we'd be prepared to pay as much as rumoured North have put out there, or have the currency the saints have. I think we're backing in our talent and will find role players rather than chasing something too expensive

20 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Just saw reports that he was spotted looking at houses in Elwood. apparently now St Kilda could become a serious contender for his services. 

Surely we would be at least having a quite chat while he's in town?

I hope so. We are sorely lacking a Kelly. I would give up a dozen Melksham's for a Josh Kelly. I hope we go all out on Kelly, he is exactly what we need. We need more effective players. At present we have a lot of solid battlers. We need some class.

2 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Doubt we'd be prepared to pay as much as rumoured North have put out there, or have the currency the saints have. I think we're backing in our talent and will find role players rather than chasing something too expensive

We can back our youth and still put in a reasonable offer for Kelly. There are a lot of passengers on this list. Get Kelly, then do some pruning. We overrated our list.

Would be silly to knock back the offer from north imo, especially considering I think he'll be a premiership player by the end of this year 

29 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Doubt we'd be prepared to pay as much as rumoured North have put out there, or have the currency the saints have. I think we're backing in our talent and will find role players rather than chasing something too expensive

Mate, who the hell knows what is rumour, half truth or full truth in these things. I agree we'll need to shore up our own talent first then trade for need. Having said that, if a guy like Kelly showed interest in us we'd be mad not to see if he and his price fit our club. I have faith in Todd Viney, Mahoney, Taylor and Jackson to maintain our list and finances within our means. We have gaps, one is a classy outside mid with leadership who can impose upon a game. IMO Kelly is that.

surely playing with his good mates Christian and Jayden would add another factor to his decision......

He is worth between 600-800k in a premiership side. $1m in a side that won't win a flag because they pay too much.

Which will it be....

1 hour ago, KingDingAling said:

I hope so. We are sorely lacking a Kelly. I would give up a dozen Melksham's for a Josh Kelly. I hope we go all out on Kelly, he is exactly what we need. We need more effective players. At present we have a lot of solid battlers. We need some class.

If Hibbo and Melk are looked at as an 800k/yr package, then it really isnt a big deal for our club to offer 800 or more with front loading accounting creativity to get an A grade player like Kelly.

Forget Kelly Zac Jones is according to "On the Couch" out of contract at seasons end. Surely MFC would inquire to his availability. He is a better kick than his brother.

I'd be offering Kelly no more than $600k. Good player, could play an important role at Melbourne, but he's not worth paying anymore than that. $800k is absurd. That's a sure fire way to demolish all the good list management over the past 3 years.

7 minutes ago, A F said:

I'd be offering Kelly no more than $600k. Good player, could play an important role at Melbourne, but he's not worth paying anymore than that. $800k is absurd. That's a sure fire way to demolish all the good list management over the past 3 years.

Agreed. For that reason exactly I doubt we'd pursue Kelly.

Norf will offer him stupid dollars. We are back of the field in this race.

He would be a great get.

32 minutes ago, Luther said:

Agreed. For that reason exactly I doubt we'd pursue Kelly.

I'd certainly have a word with his management. We can offer a lot more than North in terms of top 8 potential and we're equally based in Melbourne, so if it's about a money increase and moving to Victoria, we can tick a couple of boxes. $600k is a lot more than he'll get at GWS.

15 minutes ago, A F said:

I'd certainly have a word with his management. We can offer a lot more than North in terms of top 8 potential and we're equally based in Melbourne, so if it's about a money increase and moving to Victoria, we can tick a couple of boxes. $600k is a lot more than he'll get at GWS.

Not according to the media. 750K is the expected offer from GWS.

From what I can remember, Melksham is on 400, Lumumba was on 500, and Bernie Vince got a lucrative deal for 2017. Josh Kelly is easily worth 800.

Prestia is on about that and Kelly is a thousand times better than him (which I guess you have now figured out  )

But it's clear North rate him a lot higher than we do, we have passed him up two times and they have publicly said they tried to get the mini draft pick we used on Hogan to draft Kelly.

Edited May 8, 20178 yr by Watts the matter

What say we offer Tyson & Salem for Kelly.  Would that get it done?  

1 hour ago, Watts the matter said:

Not according to the media. 750K is the expected offer from GWS.

From what I can remember, Melksham is on 400, Lumumba was on 500, and Bernie Vince got a lucrative deal for 2017. Josh Kelly is easily worth 800.

Prestia is on about that and Kelly is a thousand times better than him (which I guess you have now figured out  )

But it's clear North rate him a lot higher than we do, we have passed him up two times and they have publicly said they tried to get the mini draft pick we used on Hogan to draft Kelly.

They won't keep their list together GWS if they're offering a player like Kelly $750k. He's not a blue chip A grade mid. He's a silky outside mid who needs to play in a good team. He won't win you games. He'll help you win games.

Prestia has started poorly at Richmond, but is the best player IMO.

Edited May 8, 20178 yr by A F

11 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Mate, who the hell knows what is rumour, half truth or full truth in these things. I agree we'll need to shore up our own talent first then trade for need. Having said that, if a guy like Kelly showed interest in us we'd be mad not to see if he and his price fit our club. I have faith in Todd Viney, Mahoney, Taylor and Jackson to maintain our list and finances within our means. We have gaps, one is a classy outside mid with leadership who can impose upon a game. IMO Kelly is that.

Undoubtedly if he came to us and said I'm happy to forego an extra $150k - $300k he might be able to get elsewhere and we didn't have to give to much to GWS then he'd be great, but I think he'll cost in excess of $800k a year and the trade would be our first this year plus decent extra's (a first 22 player or next years first etc.). Paying too much will hinder our chances of retaining all of Oliver, Tracc, Hogan, Salem etc. when they come out of contract next, because we have a few on the team that are shaping as deserving the bigger coin. We've seen the Hawks, Dogs and Cats in recent times develop their own and (besides Boyd) not going chasing the big fish, but fitting role players around what they've got. I think we're much better to do that.   

Can he ruck?

12 hours ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Doubt we'd be prepared to pay as much as rumoured North have put out there, or have the currency the saints have. I think we're backing in our talent and will find role players rather than chasing something too expensive

Remind me how many have won flags chasing a fish and a pay packet like that? Kelly has all the goods but is still relatively unproven. He plays in a team of champions so its hard to get a form line sometimes.

10 hours ago, A F said:

I'd be offering Kelly no more than $600k. Good player, could play an important role at Melbourne, but he's not worth paying anymore than that. $800k is absurd. That's a sure fire way to demolish all the good list management over the past 3 years.

Two years ago, we gave a bog ordinary player in Melksham a 4 yr deal on between $400-450k, and you don't think that Kelly is now worth more than $600k? And don't get me started on the 3 year deal given to Garland. 

Kelly is worth a minimum $800k once you factor in the impending salary cap increases with the new CBA.

13 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Remind me how many have won flags chasing a fish and a pay packet like that? Kelly has all the goods but is still relatively unproven. He plays in a team of champions so its hard to get a form line sometimes.

As many have pointed out, as recently as last year with Boyd at Bulldogs. Arguably BOG.

With the new players agreement, $800k won't be a massive amount to pay an A grader (as obscene as that sounds).

Wouldn't want to pay overs, and is clear we must retain or young stars, but IMO Kelly would offer what what we clearly lack: very high end outside polish that can impose upon a game. I've watched a number of GWS games where he has done just that.