2 hours ago, Demon77 said:

Wouldn't have though so but Durrrwayne Russell should know the players, he called T Mac James McDonald during the call.

Not the right thread, but WTF I might as well bring up my 300th post as off topic as most of the others...

Cam Mooney on Bounce (kids made me watch it I swear) made a special effort in referring to Tom Dyson. If I was a teammate i'd be calling him Tom for the rest of my days.

From my recollection he generally only uses a full straight arm if the opposition ruckman raises his knee to push him away from the ball.

A New addition to rule - 11.3.5 

1. The Player shall not be permitted to block an opponent’s Muay Thai knee to the sternum in a centre bounce contest.

14 hours ago, Red and Bluebeard said:

"They're difficult ones for the umpire to pick up, especially in the centre because if you imagine what's happened, they've bounced the ball and they've backed out so they're only a small distance away from the play," Kennedy said.

Huh? They are right on the spot, so that makes it difficult for them to see? Should have gone to SpecSavers ...

That line of Kennedy's is the truth, but not the whole truth. He forgets to mention there are two other field umpires out there. The question he should be asked is why the umpire who undertakes the bounce is the controlling umpire? Why not make sure the umpire who bounces does that task properly and moves away safely and leave the officiating of the immediate contest to the remaining umpires?

So now MFC gets a rap over the knuckles because Max talked about infringing! 

"THE AFL has written to clubs warning them that public commentary about umpiring will be closely monitored after Tigers coach Damien Hardwick and Melbourne ruckman Max Gawn were outspoken on the standard of officiating last week".  http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-18/watch-the-umpire-commentary-afl-warns-clubs

For mine that adds insult to injury!  He didn't complain nor criticise the umpires like Hardwick did.  He simply stated he didn't understand why he was infringing.

Time and time again it seems it is when someone at the Dees is seen to 'step over the line' that the AFL act.  What about the running commentary recently from coaches (Scott, Buckley, Scott, Beveridy) on MRP cases?  No, not a word from the AFL there!  Use MFC as the 'sacrificial' example seems to be their motto!

 

 

14 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

So now MFC gets a rap over the knuckles because Max talked about infringing! 

"THE AFL has written to clubs warning them that public commentary about umpiring will be closely monitored after Tigers coach Damien Hardwick and Melbourne ruckman Max Gawn were outspoken on the standard of officiating last week".  http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-18/watch-the-umpire-commentary-afl-warns-clubs

For mine that adds insult to injury!  He didn't complain nor criticise the umpires like Hardwick did.  He simply stated he didn't understand why he was infringing.

Time and time again it seems it is when someone at the Dees is seen to 'step over the line' that the AFL act.  What about the running commentary recently from coaches (Scott, Buckley, Scott, Beveridy) on MRP cases?  No, not a word from the AFL there!  Use MFC as the 'sacrificial' example seems to be their motto!

 

 

Apples and oranges. Hardwick to a blatant whack which was a pretty idiotic thing to say. Max simply wanted clarification on what he was doing wrong, after all he's the one who has to play with the rules in place. Ridiculous

Heard Gil McLachlan this morning on 3AW re the Brad Hardie rumour on Ross Lyon to Collingwood.

Suggested they may have to consider removing accreditation of 'journos' and commentators for peddling false stories.

FMD are they now the Gestappo? It's Orwellian by any standard. You will only publish what we deem to be the truth. This is happening with Twitter, Reddit, Facebook and youtube already.

The world is heading down a very slippery path. We need more free speech not less.

 

Kim Jong-Gil

Can anyone recall when the ruck circle was introduced, who the dominant ruck of the time was?

The circle was always there, but the line through it was drawn primarily to stop Gary Dempsey!

22 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:

Can anyone recall when the ruck circle was introduced, who the dominant ruck of the time was?

2005, Jeff White.

4 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

2005, Jeff White.

Yes, it was an attempt to negate his influence. Let's hope Max deals with this rubbish just as well as Jeff did.

#FreeMaxy

15 minutes ago, bluey said:

The circle was always there, but the line through it was drawn primarily to stop Gary Dempsey!

Wheres ya been hidin Bluey?

Just now, FireInTheBelly said:

Yes, it was an attempt to negate his influence. Let's hope Max deals with this rubbish just as well as Jeff did.

#FreeMaxy

I think all the PCL injuries ruckmen were getting were more of a concern than Jeff White's dominance.

Just now, Clint Bizkit said:

I think all the PCL injuries ruckmen were getting were more of a concern than Jeff White's dominance.

Yes that was the official line.

39 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Wheres ya been hidin Bluey?

Just been expecting the club to fall in a heap as usual, appears though they may get over the line this year, trying not to be too over confident though Junior!

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Heard Gil McLachlan this morning on 3AW re the Brad Hardie rumour on Ross Lyon to Collingwood.

Suggested they may have to consider removing accreditation of 'journos' and commentators for peddling false stories.

FMD are they now the Gestappo? It's Orwellian by any standard. You will only publish what we deem to be the truth. This is happening with Twitter, Reddit, Facebook and youtube already.

The world is heading down a very slippery path. We need more free speech not less.

 

i'm on board with Gil, there has to be some accountability, and journos bleat like lambs when criticised  (robbo a prime example) but they really do harm with some of the crap they peddle. and hardly Gestapo, if someone is talking crap about you you're simply asking them to leave your house. nothing says they cant keep writing. 

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Heard Gil McLachlan this morning on 3AW re the Brad Hardie rumour on Ross Lyon to Collingwood.

Suggested they may have to consider removing accreditation of 'journos' and commentators for peddling false stories.

FMD are they now the Gestappo? It's Orwellian by any standard. You will only publish what we deem to be the truth. This is happening with Twitter, Reddit, Facebook and youtube already.

The world is heading down a very slippery path. We need more free speech not less.

 

Removing someone's accreditation is not the same thing as censorship. Anyone who has been accredited has been given access which most people don't receive. It's therefore a privilege. With that privilege comes responsibility, one of which is not to make stuff up. 

If someone wants to make stuff up and publish it there are plenty of places to do so which don't require accreditation, such as social media, like Twitter and Facebook.

And just to draw a parallel, I believe Demonland's administrators will withdraw a person's privileges if that person posts stuff they've made up on Demonland. I think Gill McLachlan is just  following the excellent standards set by Demonland. 

Andrew Dillon's backyard would have to be ok, wouldn't it Gil?

I'd say our club has been very diplomatic during this process, Maxxy was a little cheeky but didn't outwardly say anything derogatory. 

And following the response from the umpires as well they've taken the, "ok we understand" stance but internally they must've been shaking their heads. 

On 15/08/2017 at 4:25 PM, Redleg said:

And there is the problem, was it pre meditated umpiring. One of the footy shows suggested clubs had complained to the umpires department about Max. If the umpires department directed this we have a serious problem. Certain clubs would be controlling umpiring. Fantastic.

 

On 15/08/2017 at 4:27 PM, jnrmac said:

If the maggots threw the ball up straight Gawn wouldnt have a 100kg 200cm monster jumping over him as he bent backwards trying to tap the ball. Surely you are allowed to protect your head?

 

On 15/08/2017 at 4:39 PM, Redleg said:

No, they just said that they believed some clubs had complained about his rucking. 

This actually could be a serious issue and needs investigation after the season has finished.  

If umpires have been directed to penalise a player, we have a real problem.

The Club should look into this after our season has ended.

It is very strange to say the least.

As corrupt an organization as the AFL will always bow to the whims of their favorites.  And if one of them complains about someone at an 'also run' club then they will jump to attention.  Pathetic. 

5 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

So now MFC gets a rap over the knuckles because Max talked about infringing! 

"THE AFL has written to clubs warning them that public commentary about umpiring will be closely monitored after Tigers coach Damien Hardwick and Melbourne ruckman Max Gawn were outspoken on the standard of officiating last week".  http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-18/watch-the-umpire-commentary-afl-warns-clubs

For mine that adds insult to injury!  He didn't complain nor criticise the umpires like Hardwick did.  He simply stated he didn't understand why he was infringing.

Time and time again it seems it is when someone at the Dees is seen to 'step over the line' that the AFL act.  What about the running commentary recently from coaches (Scott, Buckley, Scott, Beveridy) on MRP cases?  No, not a word from the AFL there!  Use MFC as the 'sacrificial' example seems to be their motto!

 

 

Too true. Scott and Scott seem to be free to say what they like without sanction. 

4 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Heard Gil McLachlan this morning on 3AW re the Brad Hardie rumour on Ross Lyon to Collingwood.

Suggested they may have to consider removing accreditation of 'journos' and commentators for peddling false stories.

FMD are they now the Gestappo? It's Orwellian by any standard. You will only publish what we deem to be the truth. This is happening with Twitter, Reddit, Facebook and youtube already.

The world is heading down a very slippery path. We need more free speech not less.

 

I had heard Gillon referred to as a petty Hitler: this is far more Hermann  Goeringesque. 

Or maybe Trump and his fake news gibes

Can Max jump?

Of all the most popular and indeed intelligent players to try to, what could only be called intimidating ,bad sporting type tactics by the controlling body, mind you, is just mind numbing. If this is what is going on!!!

The poor bloke has had numerous knee operations over several years and is close to being one of the best Ambassadors of the game.

Just ban Brad Hardie. Last year he stated Hogan was 100% leaving Melbourne and returning to Perth at the end of the 2016 season. I have no doubt that he just makes these things up, he deserves to be banned. 

43 minutes ago, monoccular said:

  5 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

So now MFC gets a rap over the knuckles because Max talked about infringing! 

"THE AFL has written to clubs warning them that public commentary about umpiring will be closely monitored after Tigers coach Damien Hardwick and Melbourne ruckman Max Gawn were outspoken on the standard of officiating last week".  http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-18/watch-the-umpire-commentary-afl-warns-clubs

For mine that adds insult to injury!  He didn't complain nor criticise the umpires like Hardwick did.  He simply stated he didn't understand why he was infringing.

Goodness....these umps are some sort of endangered species that must be protected.

Sometimes some robust conversation is warranted.

Apparently Port didn't read the memo about ruckman 'straight arm blocking' as Paddy also gave away 5 frees on Saturday!  https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/max-tax-the-ridiculous-ruck-rule-set-to-impact-paddy-ryder/news-story/ac5459c91203b1bd694b77cb66dc34ff

David King is talking sense on this one: 

“(Paddy) is not really disrupting the opposition ruckman. He’s hanging his arm out, but he’s not really pushing. It’s a protection mechanism and a balancing action.”

And amusingly and disturbingly he says:

“We saw Max Gawn at training last week and he had his arm in a sling.

It is bizarre when last year's AA ruckman and this years main contender are being penalised for a techinque infringement that has never happened before.

Umpires should enforce the rules, not change the interpretation 2 weeks from finals against 2 of the premier ruckman.  Just ridiculous.