Transgenderism

[Gator 16,893]

In view of @TGR's thread on the main board re Sam Newman's unsavoury comments I thought I'd start a thread on the appropriate Demonland platform.

Newman's comments aside, which don't help anyone, the Left's current dealing with this issue doesn't help anyone according to Dr Paul McHugh, a John Hopkins Psychiatrist, least of all those with this affliction.  According to Dr McHugh, transgenderism, or gender dysphoria, is a "mental disorder" and should be treated as such.

He states, "transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.  "The pro-transgender advocates do not want to know, said McHugh, that studies show between 70% and 80% of children who express transgender feelings “spontaneously lose those feelings” over time. Also, for those who had sexual reassignment surgery, most said they were “satisfied” with the operation “but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn’t have the surgery.”

“’Sex change’ is biologically impossible,” said McHugh. “People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.”

He also warns, "that there are “misguided doctors” who, working with very young children who seem to imitate the opposite sex, will administer “puberty-delaying hormones to render later sex-change surgeries less onerous – even though the drugs stunt the children’s growth and risk causing sterility.”

The pro-transgender advocates do not want to know, said McHugh, that studies show between 70% and 80% of children who express transgender feelings “spontaneously lose those feelings” over time. Also, for those who had sexual reassignment surgery, most said they were “satisfied” with the operation “but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn’t have the surgery.”

The idea that one’s sexuality is a feeling and not a biological fact “is doing much damage to families, adolescents, and children and should be confronted as an opinion without biological foundation wherever it emerges,” said Dr. McHugh in his article, Transgenderism: A Pathogenic Meme. He goes on, “Think, for example, of the parents whom no one—not doctors, schools, nor even churches—will help to rescue their children from these strange notions of being transgendered and the problematic lives these notions herald."  They rarely find therapists who are willing to help them “work out their conflicts and correct their assumptions,” said McHugh. “Rather, they and their families find only ‘gender counselors’ who encourage them in their sexual misassumptions.”

In recent years, though, the notion that one’s sex is fluid has flooded the culture. It is “reflected everywhere in the media, the theater, the classroom, and in many medical clinics,” said McHugh.

When “the tumult and shouting dies,” McHugh continued, “it proves not easy nor wise to live in a counterfeit sexual garb. The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over 30 years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest.”

“Ten to 15 years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers,” said McHugh.

 

So, my question is, is this "enlightened" thinking, this almost encouragement of transgenderism ?  Does it actually help those who have these feelings.  The studies in Sweden are poignant because they're conducted 10-15 years after reassignment.  

Are those with gender dysphoria getting the treatment they should, or are they precluded from the right treatment due to society's quest to make transgenderism appear normal and those who question it just backward bigots and intolerant of others who are different ?

It appears to me that the LGBT movement has become so powerful that any debate re transgenderism has been shut down and those that could have successful treatment to help cure this disorder are now pawns in a movement and may find it difficult to have treatment that could actually heal them.  Are they encouraged to get psychological treatment, or are their families merely encouraged to accept them for who they are ?

Newman's comments are insensitive whichever way you look at it, but it appears to me that discussion re this topic isn't encouraged and many with this disorder are poorer for it.

 

Btw, it's in the nature of the Left to discredit anyone who disagrees with their notions, so no doubt some will madly google Dr McHugh in order to discredit him.  Dr McHugh was head psychiatrist at John Hopkins Hospital for 26 years, and he's the author of 6 books and 125 peer reviewed articles.

 

[TGR 1,367]

18 minutes ago, ProDee said:

In view of @TGR's thread on the main board re Sam Newman's unsavoury comments I thought I'd start a thread on the appropriate Demonland platform.

Newman's comments aside, which don't help anyone, the Left's current dealing with this issue doesn't help anyone according to Dr Paul McHugh, a John Hopkins Psychiatrist, least of all those with this affliction.  According to Dr McHugh, transgenderism, or gender dysphoria, is a "mental disorder" and should be treated as such.

He states, "transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.  "The pro-transgender advocates do not want to know, said McHugh, that studies show between 70% and 80% of children who express transgender feelings “spontaneously lose those feelings” over time. Also, for those who had sexual reassignment surgery, most said they were “satisfied” with the operation “but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn’t have the surgery.”

“’Sex change’ is biologically impossible,” said McHugh. “People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.”

He also warns, "that there are “misguided doctors” who, working with very young children who seem to imitate the opposite sex, will administer “puberty-delaying hormones to render later sex-change surgeries less onerous – even though the drugs stunt the children’s growth and risk causing sterility.”

The pro-transgender advocates do not want to know, said McHugh, that studies show between 70% and 80% of children who express transgender feelings “spontaneously lose those feelings” over time. Also, for those who had sexual reassignment surgery, most said they were “satisfied” with the operation “but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn’t have the surgery.”

The idea that one’s sexuality is a feeling and not a biological fact “is doing much damage to families, adolescents, and children and should be confronted as an opinion without biological foundation wherever it emerges,” said Dr. McHugh in his article, Transgenderism: A Pathogenic Meme. He goes on, “Think, for example, of the parents whom no one—not doctors, schools, nor even churches—will help to rescue their children from these strange notions of being transgendered and the problematic lives these notions herald."  They rarely find therapists who are willing to help them “work out their conflicts and correct their assumptions,” said McHugh. “Rather, they and their families find only ‘gender counselors’ who encourage them in their sexual misassumptions.”

In recent years, though, the notion that one’s sex is fluid has flooded the culture. It is “reflected everywhere in the media, the theater, the classroom, and in many medical clinics,” said McHugh.

When “the tumult and shouting dies,” McHugh continued, “it proves not easy nor wise to live in a counterfeit sexual garb. The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over 30 years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest.”

“Ten to 15 years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers,” said McHugh.

 

So, my question is, is this "enlightened" thinking, this almost encouragement of transgenderism ?  Does it actually help those who have these feelings.  The studies in Sweden are poignant because they're conducted 10-15 years after reassignment.  

Are those with gender dysphoria getting the treatment they should, or are they precluded from the right treatment due to society's quest to make transgenderism appear normal and those who question it just backward bigots and intolerant of others who are different ?

It appears to me that the LGBT movement has become so powerful that any debate re transgenderism has been shut down and those that could have successful treatment to help cure this disorder are now pawns in a movement and may find it difficult to have treatment that could actually heal them.  Are they encouraged to get psychological treatment, or are their families merely encouraged to accept them for who they are ?

Newman's comments are insensitive whichever way you look at it, but it appears to me that discussion re this topic isn't encouraged and many with this disorder are poorer for it.

 

Btw, it's in the nature of the Left to discredit anyone who....

It is the nature of the extreme right to think of "me".  It is the nature of the extreme left to think of minorities and "we".

If there was a dichotomous choice, there is really no contest.

 

You can gush over your flag-bearers in Hanson, Bolt, (Trump), Abbott, Bernardi, Howard etc.... who invariably advertise that they are in-touch with the "average person".  They are essentially nationalists championing a cause of "me".

 

They are into "free speech" until you say something mildly negative about Anzac day or George Pell.  To use a Gillardism, who history will look favourably on BTW, the sensible centre doesn't need to be lectured to by the likes of the far right, who play the "fear" card, the "what about me?" card, and really aim accurately to the lowest common denominator in the electorate.

 

 

Now, whether this is a richard-swinging contest or a fannie-exhibition is of no concern, nor relevance to me.

 

 

 

 

[Gator 16,893]

1 minute ago, TGR said:

It is the nature of the extreme right to think of "me".  It is the nature of the extreme left to think of minorities and "we".

If there was a dichotomous choice, there is really no contest.

 

You can gush over your flag-bearers in Hanson, Bolt, (Trump), Abbott, Bernardi, Howard etc.... who invariably advertise that they are in-touch with the "average person".  They are essentially nationalists championing a cause of "me".

 

They are into "free speech" until you say something mildly negative about Anzac day or George Pell.  To use a Gillardism, who history will look favourably on BTW, the sensible centre doesn't need to be lectured to by the likes of the far right, who play the "fear" card, the "what about me?" card, and really aim accurately to the lowest common denominator in the electorate.

 

 

Now, whether this is a richard-swinging contest or a fannie-exhibition is of no concern, nor relevance to me.

 

 

 

 

You needn't have bothered.

And I shouldn't have expected more.

[Jara 1,149]

For god's sake, Prof, can you try to be a bit more succinct.

[dieter 3,325]

44 minutes ago, Jara said:

For god's sake, Prof, can you try to be a bit more succinct.

He is The Great Suc-cincter!

[Wrecker45 3,378]

I know a politician from the left side of politics. I won't give any further clues to protect the child. He has a male child who has his hair grown to look like a young girl. If the child wants to play with a truck or anything that can be perceived as masculine it will be replaced with a doll or something feminine. It is sick and I feel sorry for the child.

In my opinion gender is not fluid no matter how many left of centre people wish it was.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

4 hours ago, TGR said:

It is the nature of the extreme right to think of "me".  It is the nature of the extreme left to think of minorities and "we".

If there was a dichotomous choice, there is really no contest.

 

You can gush over your flag-bearers in Hanson, Bolt, (Trump), Abbott, Bernardi, Howard etc.... who invariably advertise that they are in-touch with the "average person".  They are essentially nationalists championing a cause of "me".

 

They are into "free speech" until you say something mildly negative about Anzac day or George Pell.  To use a Gillardism, who history will look favourably on BTW, the sensible centre doesn't need to be lectured to by the likes of the far right, who play the "fear" card, the "what about me?" card, and really aim accurately to the lowest common denominator in the electorate.

 

 

Now, whether this is a richard-swinging contest or a fannie-exhibition is of no concern, nor relevance to me.

 

 

 

 

There are so many ridiculous points in your dribble I can't be bothered going through all of them.

i'll just pick an obvious one. You say "flag-bearers" as if it is some kind of insult. Why would you be a member of this website if you don't love the grand old flag?

How does someone choose if it is acceptable to love a flag or not?

I can only guess the flag of the self loathing left is a white one.

[TGR 1,367]

11 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

There are so many ridiculous points in your dribble I can't be bothered going through all of them.

i'll just pick an obvious one. You say "flag-bearers" as if it is some kind of insult. Why would you be a member of this website if you don't love the grand old flag?

How does someone choose if it is acceptable to love a flag or not?

I can only guess the flag of the self loathing left is a white one.

Ouch

[Wrecker45 3,378]

13 hours ago, TGR said:

Ouch

At least you know when to raise the white flag.

[dieter 3,325]

On 7/1/2017 at 7:21 PM, Wrecker45 said:

I know a politician from the left side of politics. I won't give any further clues to protect the child. He has a male child who has his hair grown to look like a young girl. If the child wants to play with a truck or anything that can be perceived as masculine it will be replaced with a doll or something feminine. It is sick and I feel sorry for the child.

In my opinion gender is not fluid no matter how many left of centre people wish it was.

No  wonder he's a LEFTIE.

[Jara 1,149]

On 1 July 2017 at 7:45 PM, Wrecker45 said:

There are so many ridiculous points in your dribble I can't be bothered going through all of them.

i'll just pick an obvious one. You say "flag-bearers" as if it is some kind of insult. Why would you be a member of this website if you don't love the grand old flag?

How does someone choose if it is acceptable to love a flag or not?

I can only guess the flag of the self loathing left is a white one.

Wrecker, I think you misread his post. Your "obvious" one isn't as obvious as you seem to think it is. TGR wasn't criticising flag bearers per se, he was criticising Bolt, Bernardi  etc for being flag-bearers of the right. 

 

You are also rather prone to pointless generalisations. You'd probably call me "of the left" but I don't loathe myself at all.

Edited July 2, 2017 by Jara

[Wrecker45 3,378]

1 hour ago, Jara said:

Wrecker, I think you misread his post. Your "obvious" one isn't as obvious as you seem to think it is. Dieter wasn't criticising flag bearers per se, he was criticising Bolt, Bernardi  etc for being flag-bearers of the right. 

 

You are also rather prone to pointless generalisations. You'd probably call me "of the left" but I don't loathe myself at all.

The next sentence after the flag-bearer comment went on to call them nationalists. IF flag-bearer had nothing to do with Australia's flag in that context it was the writers choice of words that were ambiguous, I don't think I missed the point, but I never do:). It was also TGR not Dieter that typed it.

My self loathing left comment was a response to TGR saying the right is all about "me". Both are inaccurate generalisations. As generalisation tend to be. There is a specific brand of left wing politics I despise. Your logical brand of left wing ideology don't fall into that category and I would happily argue for fun with you all day.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

3 hours ago, dieter said:

No  wonder he's a LEFTIE.

That is the most sensible thing I have ever seen you post.

[Jara 1,149]

8 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

The next sentence after the flag-bearer comment went on to call them nationalists. IF flag-bearer had nothing to do with Australia's flag in that context it was the writers choice of words that were ambiguous, I don't think I missed the point, but I never do:). It was also TGR not Dieter that typed it.

My self loathing left comment was a response to TGR saying the right is all about "me". Both are inaccurate generalisations. As generalisation tend to be. There is a specific brand of left wing politics I despise. Your logical brand of left wing ideology don't fall into that category and I would happily argue for fun with you all day.

Oops - sorry, yeah, it was TGR.  You know what these lefties are like - they all look the same to me

[Gator 16,893]

10 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

That is the most sensible thing I have ever seen you post.

I take it no-one is arguing the merits of the actual thread, i.e. transgenderism is a mental disorder ?

When it comes to intellect the left are a vacuum.

They're ONLY interested in how things make them "feel".

Edited July 3, 2017 by ProDee

[Biffen 12,327]

No it's not cool and it's not s choice a child should make.

Its a career choice for sex workers not a teen mental health decision that should ever be encouraged by health professionals.

Making a eunuch of oneself is a bizarre thing to want to do.

Bruce Jenner I could not care less about but Australian teenagers should not be urged to switch genders .

I'm with the Gavin McInnes,Pro Dee faction here.

Of course some people are so gay  they may as well cross dress but changing your private parts chemically and surgically is not the same as getting a tattoo of a piercing .

Having said that it's compulsory for gay Iranian men to have a sex change- state sponsored.

Strange times.

Edited July 3, 2017 by Biffen
Itchy breasts

[Wrecker45 3,378]

9 hours ago, ProDee said:

I take it no-one is arguing the merits of the actual thread, i.e. transgenderism is a mental disorder ?

When it comes to intellect the left are a vacuum.

They're ONLY interested in how things make them "feel".

I will. In my experience people that suffer severe trauma (not always sexual) at an early age are proan to confusion over their sexuality and have trouble understanding who they are.

I would argue transgenderism can be circumstantial as well as a mental disorder.

[Gator 16,893]

8 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

I would argue transgenderism can be circumstantial as well as a mental disorder.

One and the same I would have thought.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

19 minutes ago, ProDee said:

One and the same I would have thought.

I'd guess a mental disorder is a chemical imbalance in the brain. Trauma is different.

i'm happy to be proven wrong. That is the beauty of being a free thinker which makes me centre right. We are not tribal and argue each case on its merits.

[Gator 16,893]

2 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

I'd guess a mental disorder is a chemical imbalance in the brain. Trauma is different.

i'm happy to be proven wrong. That is the beauty of being a free thinker which makes me centre right. We are not tribal and argue each case on its merits.

I've previously read that there's no scientific evidence that mental disorders are caused by a "chemical imbalance in the brain".

So I did a quick search and found two articles that suggest this to be true.

http://www.peteearley.com/2015/01/30/mental-illnesses-caused-chemical-imbalances/

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/blogs/nuances-narratives-chemical-imbalance-debate

The second link quotes research done by the American Psychiatric Association.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

On 03/07/2017 at 10:16 PM, ProDee said:

I've previously read that there's no scientific evidence that mental disorders are caused by a "chemical imbalance in the brain".

So I did a quick search and found two articles that suggest this to be true.

http://www.peteearley.com/2015/01/30/mental-illnesses-caused-chemical-imbalances/

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/blogs/nuances-narratives-chemical-imbalance-debate

The second link quotes research done by the American Psychiatric Association.

What percentage of Australian people would you guess are transgender?

if it is less than 1%,as I imagine, there is no point even arguing it. It is too tiny.'

We do need to go back to having special schools though, to house the not quite with it.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,415]

I am what would be considered a "lefty". My view on this is people can do whatever makes them feel happy as long as it doesn't harm anyone else or infringe on the rights of anyone else.

But that doesn't mean I can be told what to think. Logic tells me that a man can't change into a woman via a medical procedure and vice versa. A man who has had "gender reassignment surgery" is not a woman, he is a man who has had his genitals removed. 

To the point of the thread (after reading the comments above) I do think transgenderism is a mental disorder though good luck getting it in the DSM. 

Edited September 2, 2017 by Dr. Gonzo

[Guest]

In the end, what distinguishes a mental disorder/paraphilia from a tendency or quirk is whether or not it impinges upon the life of the sufferer to where they are unable to function in everyday society. There are plenty of people who undergo gender reassignment surgery who go on to live perfectly functional lives. Their authenticity is a different argument altogether but it can't be argued that their behavior is so abnormal and it's impact so severe that it impacts their quality of life or the quality of life of others.

While Gender Dysphoria is listed in the DSM V, one of the suggested treatments (amongst family counselling) can be undergoing a sex change. In certain cases, not to do so can lead to greater issues with body self image, greater anxiety and depression. 

I would ask as well where you got the link to that particular article/set of quotations, Pro Dee. 

Edited September 2, 2017 by Colin B. Flaubert

[Biffen 12,327]

The Age has lead Sunday articles about confused people who think it is possible to have a female dad ,and girls dressed as boys.

It comes across that the gender confused need people to see them as "normal"-when they are not.

They can do what they like-what i think of them(they are confused) should have little or no bearing in their lives.

Carry on cross dressing! Enjoy yourselves.

Please don't fight for the rights to be firemen, pilots,Linesmen etc-you have a mental issues which makes it hard for you to realise you are abnormal.You are annoying to work with and essentially selfish.You are mentally weak and likely physically weak and obstreperous .In a group situation your need for recognition trumps the initial goals of the team so you are in fact a liability.

In the old days a tranny was a good bloke who liked a laugh and a drink -now they want to be taken seriously.

They are perpetual teens-annoying ,self obsessed and energy sapping.

 

 

 

[daisycutter 28,541]

abnormality is the new normality

more fake news

what's next from the loony left?

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