As if we would trade Oliver or Petracca. To suggest that is genuinely ridiculous.

Fair dinkum. I feel as though I'm reading the notice board of my 4 year old's preschool.

PS. Petracca sounds like some kind of cool dinosaur to the kids. Henry loves him. Favourite player territory.

 

"He's the best fister in the game!"

Absolutely correct Diamond Jim. Lever was ok, in a side which dominated. Not in their best 15 players.  

7 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

were you guys watching a different game.... not even in their top 15 in tonight's game

I am sure he is better but not tonight

Would you call him in the top 3 or 4  Crows players because that is what we are going to pay this guy... $800k per year ??

 

I think we are paying him slight overs at his current market rate to get him to the club in the hope he pays 8-10 years with us.

I imagine it'd be hard to be in the best handful of players as a key pos defender in a side that wins by over 60 points..

We very may well have a Premiership/All Australian CHB at 21 years of age who's best footy is ahead of him.. We are defintely paying overs but that's what you have to do to get a player out of a side unless your right on the cusp of a premiership like the Hawks were when they recruited well. He's disposal is better than I thought, he's pretty good by foot (shudders...bar that howler that cost us against West Coast) 

Edited September 22, 20177 yr by JV7

14 of 15 disposals hit the target including 2 kicks that went on to be goals in under a minute. in a game that was one sided he played a rebounding role really well 

7 hours ago, PaulRB said:

"He's the best fister in the game!"

No wonder the doggies were interested in him....

22 minutes ago, JV7 said:

We very may well have a Premiership/All Australian CHB at 21 years of age who's best footy is ahead of him.. We are defintely paying overs but that's what you have to do to get a player out of a side unless your right on the cusp of a premiership like the Hawks were when they recruited well. He's disposal is better than I thought, he's pretty good by foot (shudders...bar that howler that cost us against West Coast) 

This is exactly the reason I don't think we should pay overs, he isn't a CHB at all. He's a floater and intercept player who plays loose in defence. He will never be a key position player so we, as a club, need to be careful/mindful what we pay him and give up for him. On last nights game, he isn't worth two first rounders nor one of our kids. He's worth pick 10 and that's it. He also doesn't have great skills either. What he does bring is consistency, leadership and reliability, but that isn't worth two first round picks IMO.

10 minutes ago, SFebey said:

This is exactly the reason I don't think we should pay overs, he isn't a CHB at all. He's a floater and intercept player who plays loose in defence.

Never hurt Gibson, a very valuable player at Hawthorn. A couple of B&F's in premiership years.

Look he's still a developing kid but with some runs on the board. I don't think we will pay overs for him and his best is yet to come.

I wouldn't define him on his career to date apart from saying noting his talent, and I definitely wouldn't define him on last nights game where he wasn't a standout but played his role.

He had some really good moments and a few average ones that you would expect from a player of his age and experience.

Just now, rjay said:

Never hurt Gibson, a very valuable player at Hawthorn. A couple of B&F's in premiership years.

Look he's still a developing kid but with some runs on the board. I don't think we will pay overs for him and his best is yet to come.

I wouldn't define him on his career to date apart from saying noting his talent, and I definitely wouldn't define him on last nights game where he wasn't a standout but played his role.

He had some really good moments and a few average ones that you would expect from a player of his age and experience.

Exactly and thats why we shouldn't pay overs.

As for Gibson, more often than not he played on all the key forwards and was predominately a KPP.

Also, I have watched Lever every game this year, my wife is a Crows supporter and rate him highly, but he isn't worth 2 first rounders.

2 minutes ago, rjay said:

Never hurt Gibson, a very valuable player at Hawthorn. A couple of B&F's in premiership years.

Look he's still a developing kid but with some runs on the board. I don't think we will pay overs for him and his best is yet to come.

I wouldn't define him on his career to date apart from saying noting his talent, and I definitely wouldn't define him on last nights game where he wasn't a standout but played his role.

He had some really good moments and a few average ones that you would expect from a player of his age and experience.

Amen... Jeremey McGovern goes alright at it also

1 minute ago, JV7 said:

Amen... Jeremey McGovern goes alright at it also

Lol, now you guys are comparing him to McGovern!

Did Gibson go for 2 first rounders? And would McGovern? No and No.

Edited September 22, 20177 yr by SFebey

12 minutes ago, SFebey said:

Exactly and thats why we shouldn't pay overs.

As for Gibson, more often than not he played on all the key forwards and was predominately a KPP.

Also, I have watched Lever every game this year, my wife is a Crows supporter and rate him highly, but he isn't worth 2 first rounders.

Interesting thing would be to go through their side and see where Lever is rated. I doubt he would be rated in their top 10.

As an example start with the Crouch's, Sloane, Tex, Sauce, Eddie, Laird, Cameron, Talia, Smith,McGovern and there is 11 already. 

PS. No wonder they are in the GF.

Edited September 22, 20177 yr by Redleg

Just now, Redleg said:

Interesting thing would be to go through their side and see where Lever is rated. I doubt he would be rated in their top 10.

Agree.

Just now, SFebey said:

Lol, now you guys are comparing him to McGovern!

Well their both All Australian and they both play exactly the same interceptor role...

1 minute ago, JV7 said:

Well their both All Australian and they both play exactly the same interceptor role...

And I still would NOT pay two first rounders for them, I would for Rance though.

Two first rounders are for Rance, Josh Kelly, Dangerfield or Jeremy Cameron, not Jake Lever.

Edited September 22, 20177 yr by SFebey

Just now, SFebey said:

And I still would NOT pay two first rounders for them, I would for Rance though.

Just because Adelaide want 2 first rounders doesn't mean he is worth it, I don't think many agree he is worth that. Our first & 2nd is more likely. Anyway people lose sight of draft picks, we of all supporters should know a top draft pick isn't guaranteed, the club will pay what he's worth in terms of a trade. Money wise I couldn't give a f%%k what we pay him.. But We'll agree to disagree... I'm confident he'll be a 2 time All Australian this time next year

9 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

were you guys watching a different game.... not even in their top 15 in tonight's game

I am sure he is better but not tonight

Would you call him in the top 3 or 4  Crows players because that is what we are going to pay this guy... $800k per year ??

 

How did the Cats tall forwards go tonight. 8 marks and 5 massive spoils to go with the best disposal efficiency on the ground in a pressure match. Not his best but I would suggest he would feature higher in the coaches votes than 16th or lower. Is a super player who is already statistically the best intercept mark in the comp which is fast becoming a crucial role in today's game. 

11 minutes ago, SFebey said:

Lol, now you guys are comparing him to McGovern!

Did Gibson go for 2 first rounders? And would McGovern? No and No.

This goes to my thoughts hes worth #10 and change , as it were, some exchange of picks or whatever.

This round 1 and 2  picks seems to have entered the narrative ( probably past Bordertown ) and is seldom challenged.

Some suggest just pay it and move to next , I see that as frivolous.

11 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Interesting thing would be to go through their side and see where Lever is rated. I doubt he would be rated in their top 10.

As an example start with the Crouch's, Sloane, Tex, Sauce, Eddie, Laird, Cameron, Talia, Smith,McGovern and there is 11 already. 

PS. No wonder they are in the GF.

Fair few there you're over rating. i think it's assured he will finish top 10 in their B&F and probably top 5. Will be interesting to see. Also we are talking about a kid  5 years away from his best footy with 10 years probably left. Not exactly apples with apples. 

5 minutes ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

How did the Cats tall forwards go tonight. 8 marks and 5 massive spoils to go with the best disposal efficiency on the ground in a pressure match. Not his best but I would suggest he would feature higher in the coaches votes than 16th or lower. Is a super player who is already statistically the best intercept mark in the comp which is fast becoming a crucial role in today's game. 

It's a demonland first... A whipping boy who is yet to play a game for us let alone be on our list

Edited September 22, 20177 yr by JV7

17 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Interesting thing would be to go through their side and see where Lever is rated. I doubt he would be rated in their top 10.

As an example start with the Crouch's, Sloane, Tex, Sauce, Eddie, Laird, Cameron, Talia, Smith,McGovern and there is 11 already. 

That's not necessarily relevant to his currency on the open market. The players' age and the role they play becomes a factor. As an example, the Weid wouldn't rate in our top 25, but that doesn't mean he's only worth a third round pick on the open market.

The Crouch brothers would have only broken into the Crows top 10 this year, and they've been in the system for a while. And as much as I love Rory Laird, the role he plays would never command a high 1st rd pick.

Edited September 22, 20177 yr by mo64

Lever was ultra reliable last night. Was beaten one on one once. In the first minute of the game. His disposal efficiency was elite. 

 

The new pay deal changes the actual worth of those big deals in a way as well

 

800k a year is what 650k a year is worth under the previous agreement and lever is worth every cent 

The money for Lever i suspect is representative of his place in our list ( at todays currency ) more than where he fits into Adelaide's ledger.