Clayton Oliver caught drink driving

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,492]

There is a fascinating mix of over and under reaction in this thread...

[hardtack 10,517]

On 20/11/2016 at 0:53 PM, jnrmac said:

You guys really need to lighten up. Its not a hanging offence FFS.

But it is an offense none-the-less. There's a good reason they don't want people drink driving.

[hardtack 10,517]

On 20/11/2016 at 0:58 PM, Vogon Poetry said:

I think your hanging a guy without hearing the evidence.  But my main point though was that many players have a drink and are elite.

Please don't interpret my comments as being in any way supportive of drink driving.  I'm critical of making judgements without the facts.

The evidence was in the police BAC reading...what other evidence could there possibly be? And I'm hardly suggesting it's a hanging offense... if I recall correctly I believe I said that hopefully he will learn from it.

[jnrmac 20,055]

12 hours ago, hardtack said:

But it is an offense none-the-less. There's a good reason they don't want people drink driving.

the outrage country is alive and well.....

[Satyriconhome 10,734]

12 hours ago, hardtack said:

The evidence was in the police BAC reading...what other evidence could there possibly be? And I'm hardly suggesting it's a hanging offense... if I recall correctly I believe I said that hopefully he will learn from it.

Gee HT bit harsh, forgotten the behaviour at the LSE 3 dayers in the 70's, young country guy [censored] up, move on, he will learn

[hardtack 10,517]

2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

the outrage country is alive and well.....

Where's the outrage?

[hardtack 10,517]

2 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Gee HT bit harsh, forgotten the behaviour at the LSE 3 dayers in the 70's, young country guy [censored] up, move on, he will learn

But that's exactly what I said Saty...that it's NOT a hanging offence and that I hope he will learn from it.

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34 minutes ago, hardtack said:

But that's exactly what I said Saty...that it's NOT a hanging offence and that I hope he will learn from it.

Cue 12 months to 2years time we will be reading interview with Oliver in which he reveals that the kick up the arse given by certain player/coach/plural was a turning point which illuminated him to the standards required to achieve the elite status etc etc. 

[jnrmac 20,055]

1 hour ago, hardtack said:

Where's the outrage?

Plenty of it in the 9 pages so far.

I'm sure you have never exceeded the speed limit by 1km/hr as well HT....

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[Biffen 12,940]

20 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

There is a fascinating mix of over and under reaction in this thread...

I'm pleasantly surprised by his low level reading.

We can only hope that he gets the Uber app on his mobile and  uses it.

Being a country boy he would have 10 years driving experience at his age.

He will be made to do a drink driving course  and will be getting an interlock device put on his vehicle for six months to a year.

I don't wish the club to impose any further sanction than that.

I doubt they will.

 

[nutbean 8,838]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Plenty of it in the 9 pages so far.

I'm sure you have never exceeded the speed limit by 1km/hr as well HT....

To be fair, I think there has been precious little outrage either.  There has got to be some middle ground between dismissing the incident completely and putting him in front of a firing squad. I suggest that blowing any alcohol reading when you are on P's is foolish (and the law is in place for a reason)  and will elicit some form of punishment  - definitely from the police and probably from the leadership group. These sorts of offenses (even though this appears on the minor end of the scale) is something sponsors absolutely hate.

I dont drink so .05 has never been a problem but have absolutely sped and copped my right whack on occasions. But there has to be an understanding that different professions have different standards associated with them. With all the money in AFL there is an expectation from the league, the club, the players themselves and certainly supporters that players conduct themselves in a certain way on and off the field.

To re-iterate - it is not a hanging offense but merely acknowledgment of a behavior that is below expectation. We move on.

[rjay 24,889]

I can't wait for the 2017 season to start...

[hardtack 10,517]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Plenty of it in the 9 pages so far.

I'm sure you have never exceeded the speed limit by 1km/hr as well HT....

You're correct on that point as I cannot constantly watch the speedo, but if I do check and see that I've drifted over the limit I will immediately slow down to the correct speed... however, as drinking involves the making of a conscious decision, if I'm going somewhere that I'm likely to drink any alchohol at all, I leave my car at home; if I take my car and someone offers me a drink I will politely decline...simple really.

Anyway, I am far from outraged and I do understand it's all part of the learning process; he will no doubt be the better for it.

[jnrmac 20,055]

14 minutes ago, hardtack said:

You're correct on that point as I cannot constantly watch the speedo, but if I do check and see that I've drifted over the limit I will immediately slow down to the correct speed... however, as drinking involves the making of a conscious decision, if I'm going somewhere that I'm likely to drink any alchohol at all, I leave my car at home; if I take my car and someone offers me a drink I will politely decline...simple really.

Anyway, I am far from outraged and I do understand it's all part of the learning process; he will no doubt be the better for it.

Fair enough. If he learns a lesson that is only a good thing.

[beelzebub 23,313]

Its about the lesson.,..

[monoccular 17,413]

16 hours ago, rjay said:

I can't wait for the 2017 season to start...

I'll drink to that, (but won't drive after)

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

On 11/20/2016 at 11:26 AM, hardtack said:

he should know exactly what is required if he wants to make it at the top level of his chosen sport. 

 

20 hours ago, hardtack said:

Anyway, I am far from outraged and I do understand it's all part of the learning process; he will no doubt be the better for it.

So have you moved away from your position that it's indicative of his understanding of what's required to be "at the top of level of his chosen sport".

[nutbean 8,838]

9 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

 

So have you moved away from your position that it's indicative of his understanding of what's required to be "at the top of level of his chosen sport".

I think it is what should be "the known and expected" as opposed to the reality of these kids being kids.

I talked to an administrator of a club ( not ours) and he said that amount of education that goes into the players regarding drugs and alcohol would blow our minds. They reflect first on all important legal aspects but then go on to educate on how it impacts performance.

So every players is in no doubt as to what is required to make it to the top level but that doesn't mean that kids won't make stupid mistakes.

[hardtack 10,517]

25 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

 

So have you moved away from your position that it's indicative of his understanding of what's required to be "at the top of level of his chosen sport".

I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion... I stated that he needs to understand what is required to make it at the top level and then I have stated that I hope he will learn from the experience, because if he has he will be all the better for it.

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

We could play semantics but to put it in a nutshell I think having a drink has nothing to do with becoming an elite player.  I reckon Hodge, Cousins, Swan and Kerr all had plenty to drink (and more) and became elite.  If he's got a drinking problem then yes it could be an issue but there is no evidence of that so suggesting that this incident puts a serious question over his dedication to becoming elite is misplaced. At least that's what I thought you were doing (initially) and that was the issue I was debating.

Getting behind the wheel was dumb if he know he had a blood alcohol reading but if it was residual from the night before and he thought he was clear it was just a learning experience as you say and says nothing to his dedication to the cause or his ability to become elite.

[Redleg 40,856]

Port has just suspended Jarman Impy for the first round, after smashing into 4 cars and leaving the scene, having a team mate in the car as a passenger and following a bout of drinking all afternoon. One could reasonably infer that he was attempting to avoid a breath or blood test.

Port deemed that as a one game suspension and fine.

Given that, if we are concerned with a fair punishment, Oliver should not miss a game, but rather be fined, or given another penalty that doesn't involve a suspension..

[DubDee 25,689]

Give Oliver some extra education classes and some mandatory community work so he can see the impact of drink driving

[The Chazz 4,077]

8 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Port has just suspended Jarman Impy for the first round, after smashing into 4 cars and leaving the scene, having a team mate in the car as a passenger and following a bout of drinking all afternoon. One could reasonably infer that he was attempting to avoid a breath or blood test.

Port deemed that as a one game suspension and fine.

Given that, if we are concerned with a fair punishment, Oliver should not miss a game, but rather be fined, or given another penalty that doesn't involve a suspension..

Red, what is your opinion of the penalty given to Impy?

[rjay 24,889]

I would have thought Oliver has already been dealt with so these latest posts are a bit redundant.

[Redleg 40,856]

2 hours ago, billy2803 said:

Red, what is your opinion of the penalty given to Impy?

Very light. 

He was probably very intoxicated. Was stupid in his driving, allegedly doing donuts. Caused damage to 4 cars. Then ran away. Not too many redeeming features.