3 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I was responding to a post that used seat-belt legislation as an example of the good old days before nanny-stating laws were introduced.

Sorry, you did too. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Roads are better, cars are better, brakes, tyres, steering and signage as well as seat belts, airbags and the fact that cars are now many times lighter than they were.

The fact the we now have an enforceable limit also helps but it is too low and the penalties are high at the very low end of the scale.

Im not advocating that the 70's were better times just that societal reform and govt risk aversion has made it a very different world.

For full DL holders I think we should have a limit of .08 like most of Europe and the US.

We do get babied here in Victoria- the policing state- meanwhile there is an ice epidemic and car jacking has taken off as a suburban past time but the courts are full of  people on low range DD offences and pot charges.

Well of course they are, but these advances aren't out of the goodness of car makers hearts, many of these improvements are required under law.

I'm not saying we should be hanging Oliver for what he did, he has and will be punished.  But I am glad that we have strict road laws in Australia/Victoria.  The road safety education in this country is second to none - everyone knows the rules

As terrible as it is, I can tell you from my own experience that the only thing that stops me speeding is the fear of a ticket; crashing never crosses my mind.  The only thing that stops me driving after a drink or two is the fear of losing my licence; again the thought of an accident never crosses my mind.

 

And while we're on alcohol, America has a blood alcohol limit of .08.  They had 35,000 deaths in accidents last year.

Every 2 minutes in the US someone is injured by a drunk driver.

20 hours ago, Biffen said:

I blame Picket Fence for pumping up Clarrys tyres.

Never give a redhead praise or credit.

Look at that imbecile Lingy.

Also-I've blown a lot higher than that and did my sentence.

My parents generation would drink drive, smoking a cig ,with kids in the car,no seat belts etc.

Anyone who cares to put themselves forward as a magistrate and suggest tougher sentences for dui is at best an unrealistic prude and at worst a wowser.

It should be .08 for adults as it is in the "outside" world.

Victoria is o heavily policed in the wrong areas already.

Back in the 70's I would often drive home with a six pack on the front seat. Usually knock over at least 3 ( depending on traffic) and smoke a few ciggies.

Arrh the good old days!

Clayton would be spewing that he's not playing for Port Adelaide. A couple of extra laps at training and it'd be all done and dusted.

51 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I was responding to a post that used seat-belt legislation as an example of the good old days before nanny-stating laws were introduced.

I actually never said those times were better.

Your statistic was misleading.

Often cars had no rear seat belt .

My point was that policing at the low end of the scale is extremely harsh in this state. 

The nanny state effect you refer too wastes resources better spent elsewhere .

6 minutes ago, Biffen said:

I actually never said those times were better.

Your statistic was misleading.

Often cars had no rear seat belt .

My point was that policing at the low end of the scale is extremely harsh in this state. 

The nanny state effect you refer too wastes resources better spent elsewhere .

but biffo, for every "wasted resource" dollar they raise more dollars in revenue to send ministers on overseas self discovery tours and fund robo polling

8 hours ago, old dee said:

It is still a wet tram ticket dc.

Don't know about that. To have to stand up in front of the whole team and all the coaches with your mea culpa is not something young Clayton is going to forget in a hurry.

"The proportion of drivers and motorcycle riders who lost their lives with a Blood Alcohol Content greater than 0.05g/100ml has declined from 38% in 1987 to 17% in 2015."

http://www.tac.vic.gov.au/road-safety/statistics/summaries/drink-driving-statistics

18 minutes ago, Biffen said:

 Now they are on prescription pills, ice or something else .

 

 

 

I believe that drivers caught on drugs now outweigh those on alcohol. Don't know the exact stats, but it's all scary, and makes me want to stay at home in my dark room and be well informed by all the smart folk on Demonland. WTF did they do in the 70s without internet and Demonland? Don't know how they survived, those that did.

What is it with footballers and motor vehicles?

More off-season drama for Fremantle Dockers with midfielder Harley Bennell's car impounded

"FREMANTLE have suffered yet another off-field misadventure with Harley Bennell’s car being impounded after he was stopped by police who discovered he was driving without a licence."

17 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

I agree with you, dealt with.

Some wanted more, even the spurious claim he came back unfit rose again

Mate the clubs own press release stated that; "Oliver, who averaged 19.2 disposals per game in his first season, has had a slow start to this pre-season and has been training with the rehab group as he looks to return his fitness levels to an acceptable standard."

That has come from the club! But I suppose you'd know better? ?

27 minutes ago, Members' Wing said:

Mate the clubs own press release stated that; "Oliver, who averaged 19.2 disposals per game in his first season, has had a slow start to this pre-season and has been training with the rehab group as he looks to return his fitness levels to an acceptable standard."

That has come from the club! But I suppose you'd know better? ?

You can't argue with Satyr MW

he knows everything......

33 minutes ago, Members' Wing said:

Mate the clubs own press release stated that; "Oliver, who averaged 19.2 disposals per game in his first season, has had a slow start to this pre-season and has been training with the rehab group as he looks to return his fitness levels to an acceptable standard."

That has come from the club! But I suppose you'd know better? ?

Don't waste your time.

Sooooooo, anyone at today's session? How's Olly Choo Choo travelling today?

 

Edited December 9, 20168 yr by Moonshadow
And I don't mean "by car"

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