Winning Trade Period

[old55 23,416]

 

Maybe.
But we gave up 6, (this years) 8, 29 
For: 3, 10 and 43.

There's no points system win there and it relied upon us drafting well. Unless there's a gun available at pick 10 this year that the Saints were going to grab they'll come out ahead with good solid drafting at 23 and 36 and an exciting and well timed opportunity next year to make a big move.

You left out the GWS deal where we moved pick 10 into pick 7.

Yeah "fantastic" - get on!

They'll be eating our dust.

Edited October 21, 2016 by Fifty-5

[mo64 5,853]

Not sure how Hibberd is considered a top 10 calibre pick when he hasn't played good football for 2 years. And you have to consider that the Bombers weren't prepared to match our contract offer, and basically considered him expendable. I'd rate him in our 10-15 category. 

Gawn, Jones, Viney, Tyson, Vince, T.Mac, Hogan, Watts, Jetta, and Garlett all have better exposed form than Hibberd, and I'd imagine that young players like Oliver, Petracca, Stretch, Hunt and Brayshaw would be pushing to surpass Hibberd in importance to the team.

Hibberd addresses a need in our backline, but let's not kid ourselves about his capabilities or achievements to date. At his best, he was borderline AA, but so was Lyndan Dunn. 

I'm happy to get him, but see him as a role player rather than someone who'll be the difference between winning or losing games. Lewis is a different kettle of fish.

[Willmoy1947 4,081]

 

Anybody else think we should have a fair dinkum crack at Michael Barlow as a delisted free agent in November?

Yes

[Willmoy1947 4,081]

 

Not sure how Hibberd is considered a top 10 calibre pick when he hasn't played good football for 2 years. And you have to consider that the Bombers weren't prepared to match our contract offer, and basically considered him expendable. I'd rate him in our 10-15 category. 

Gawn, Jones, Viney, Tyson, Vince, T.Mac, Hogan, Watts, Jetta, and Garlett all have better exposed form than Hibberd, and I'd imagine that young players like Oliver, Petracca, Stretch, Hunt and Brayshaw would be pushing to surpass Hibberd in importance to the team.

Hibberd addresses a need in our backline, but let's not kid ourselves about his capabilities or achievements to date. At his best, he was borderline AA, but so was Lyndan Dunn. 

I'm happy to get him, but see him as a role player rather than someone who'll be the difference between winning or losing games. Lewis is a different kettle of fish.

I reckon next year "Hibbo" will be a better player for us than Lewis.

[Willmoy1947 4,081]

Younger, tougher, faster and pressure off.

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

There is so much upside for the young and the older lads-  and I think the recruiting (including coaching/ancillary staff) has been phenomenally strategic - no doubt all clubs aim to be strategic - but geez, the development into the boys and the 'kulcha' - it feels so far removed from even 36 months ago. 

[monoccular 17,415]

 

I reckon next year "Hibbo" will be a better player for us than Lewis.

The great thing about living here as opposed to say North Korea is that we are all still allowed to express an opinion publicly, reasonable or not  - though Prof Triggs is working on that freedom.

Edited October 21, 2016 by monoccular

[Willmoy1947 4,081]

 

The great thing about living here as opposed to say North Korea is that we are all still allowed to express an opinion publicly - though Prof Triggs is working on that freedom.

Wish i was on the same salary, when testing the water, as the Prof is.

[praha 11,236]

 

 

The great thing about living here as opposed to say North Korea is that we are all still allowed to express an opinion publicly, reasonable or not - though Prof Triggs is working on that freedom.

 

 

Edited October 21, 2016 by praha

[DeeSpencer 25,505]

 

Not sure how Hibberd is considered a top 10 calibre pick when he hasn't played good football for 2 years. And you have to consider that the Bombers weren't prepared to match our contract offer, and basically considered him expendable. I'd rate him in our 10-15 category. 

Gawn, Jones, Viney, Tyson, Vince, T.Mac, Hogan, Watts, Jetta, and Garlett all have better exposed form than Hibberd, and I'd imagine that young players like Oliver, Petracca, Stretch, Hunt and Brayshaw would be pushing to surpass Hibberd in importance to the team.

Hibberd addresses a need in our backline, but let's not kid ourselves about his capabilities or achievements to date. At his best, he was borderline AA, but so was Lyndan Dunn. 

I'm happy to get him, but see him as a role player rather than someone who'll be the difference between winning or losing games. Lewis is a different kettle of fish.

Hibberd has to get fit and return to his peak form but if he does I think he could easily be our best defender and certainly our best and most prolific rebounding backman, therefore helping fix a big weakness. By champion data (and I don't know the exact stats) his intercept possessions and metres gained are both ahead of any defender on our list. If he can keep that up then he'd be in the top 10, probably ahead of Jetta (who's excellent at what he does but shouldn't have to do so much), Garlett (similar to Jetta but not as excellent) and Vince (who can just float between positions) but maybe behind Petracca and Oliver. 

The confidence in having another defender who will attack and win contests and then be composed with the ball could be really important in maintaining the way we play when under pressure and not giving up those runs of goals as we are so prone to doing. Lewis in the midfield should also help with that, but I'm hoping we are strong in that area anyway and therefore as a single player he's less important.

 

[greenmachine 21]

thinking we done really well ggot some good players and gave up nothing

 

[Copuchas 758]

Must admit to being particularly pleased that Carlton hung fat on the Gibbs trade and in so doing exposed the disingenuity of Gibbs and his manager in requesting a trade to Adelaide under the banner of "personal issues".  Whilst I'm not in any position to doubt that there weren't personal issues involved, they obviously weren't of a sufficient nature that Gibbs was prepared to do the right thing by Carlton and request they get him back to South Australia (Port or Crows) in whatever manner best mitigated the loss of his services to Carlton.  

In robbing Carlton of any possibility of competitive tension in the trade discussions, Gibbs leaves himself open to being accused of looking to jump in to a premiership window, having concluded the Carlton rebuild has a ways to run yet (given the list age profile) and considering he's 28 at the start of next season.  Quite where the sanctity of the remaining firm three year contractual commitment fitted in to these deliberations isn't immediately apparent!

Hopefully serves as a warning for others contemplating abuse of the "personal / family issues" contract breaking mechanism. 

[Pennant St Dee 13,118]

Been impressed so far. Viney and Taylor have been very shrewd for the last few trade/draft periods. No need to upgrade any rookies unless out of necessity.  Take the best available at our picks players will fall down the pecking order they always do

[Little Goffy 14,463]

I think it is fair to say that St Kilda did a good job meeting needs and trying to cover their depth problems. But in terms of what we've given up compared to what we've gained, what a huge win we've had.

Meanwhile.. I do believe we can now officially make the call on the actual, unmistakable, definite, indisputable WORST DRAFT HAUL EVER.

Pick 4 - Jarod Pickett.

pick 6 - Caleb Marchbank.

Pick 7 - Paul Ahern.

Pick 23 - Patrick McKenna.

Pick 24 - Jack Steele.

Pick 85 - Jeremey Finlayson.

 

A total of 24 games played for the club that drafted them, and now only on of them still on their list (Finlayson, yet to play).

And the trade return has been what? A second round pick and a bag of late draft lollies?

[DeeSpencer 25,505]

 

Must admit to being particularly pleased that Carlton hung fat on the Gibbs trade and in so doing exposed the disingenuity of Gibbs and his manager in requesting a trade to Adelaide under the banner of "personal issues".  Whilst I'm not in any position to doubt that there weren't personal issues involved, they obviously weren't of a sufficient nature that Gibbs was prepared to do the right thing by Carlton and request they get him back to South Australia (Port or Crows) in whatever manner best mitigated the loss of his services to Carlton.  

In robbing Carlton of any possibility of competitive tension in the trade discussions, Gibbs leaves himself open to being accused of looking to jump in to a premiership window, having concluded the Carlton rebuild has a ways to run yet (given the list age profile) and considering he's 28 at the start of next season.  Quite where the sanctity of the remaining firm three year contractual commitment fitted in to these deliberations isn't immediately apparent!

Hopefully serves as a warning for others contemplating abuse of the "personal / family issues" contract breaking mechanism. 

Port couldn't afford him, they are tight against the cap how it is.

Now he could've taken a big pay cut but he wanted to move to do the right thing by his family and being the main breadwinner drastically lowering your wage isn't doing the right thing either.

I'm all for Carlton holding firm, but at the same time I don't think Gibbs did anything wrong asking the question.

[Gator 17,308]

 

Not sure how Hibberd is considered a top 10 calibre pick when he hasn't played good football for 2 years. And you have to consider that the Bombers weren't prepared to match our contract offer, and basically considered him expendable. I'd rate him in our 10-15 category. 

Gawn, Jones, Viney, Tyson, Vince, T.Mac, Hogan, Watts, Jetta, and Garlett all have better exposed form than Hibberd, and I'd imagine that young players like Oliver, Petracca, Stretch, Hunt and Brayshaw would be pushing to surpass Hibberd in importance to the team.

Hibberd addresses a need in our backline, but let's not kid ourselves about his capabilities or achievements to date. At his best, he was borderline AA, but so was Lyndan Dunn. 

I'm happy to get him, but see him as a role player rather than someone who'll be the difference between winning or losing games. Lewis is a different kettle of fish.

He's had multiple top 5 B&F finishes, including when they were a finals team.  Have you seen him play ?

Do you think the club would give up pick 29 in the absence of a first round draft pick if they didn't consider him a top shelf defender and exactly what we need ?

12 months out of the game when you're 26 and uninjured is hardly an issue.  This bloke is a competitive animal.

Jetta and Garlett ?  "Better exposed form" ?  Hahaha. Bi I have tremendous admiration for Jetta, but he's a rung below Hibberd as a footballer. 

Garlett is as soft as butter and the antithesis of Hibberd as a footballer.  I don't see Garlett as a regular senior player in 2017 unless he has a very strong mental correction.

[Tram 74 80]

 

Must admit to being particularly pleased that Carlton hung fat on the Gibbs trade and in so doing exposed the disingenuity of Gibbs and his manager in requesting a trade to Adelaide under the banner of "personal issues".  Whilst I'm not in any position to doubt that there weren't personal issues involved, they obviously weren't of a sufficient nature that Gibbs was prepared to do the right thing by Carlton and request they get him back to South Australia (Port or Crows) in whatever manner best mitigated the loss of his services to Carlton.  

In robbing Carlton of any possibility of competitive tension in the trade discussions, Gibbs leaves himself open to being accused of looking to jump in to a premiership window, having concluded the Carlton rebuild has a ways to run yet (given the list age profile) and considering he's 28 at the start of next season.  Quite where the sanctity of the remaining firm three year contractual commitment fitted in to these deliberations isn't immediately apparent!

Hopefully serves as a warning for others contemplating abuse of the "personal / family issues" contract breaking mechanism. 

Felt like making a speech? I have always considered Carlton and Gibbs soft and would not be at all surprised if he decided not to return.

[Demon Disciple 12,069]

 

Meanwhile.. I do believe we can now officially make the call on the actual, unmistakable, definite, indisputable WORST DRAFT HAUL EVER.

Pick 4 - Jarod Pickett.

pick 6 - Caleb Marchbank.

Pick 7 - Paul Ahern.

Pick 23 - Patrick McKenna.

Pick 24 - Jack Steele.

Pick 85 - Jeremey Finlayson.

I know we are not in a position to gloat (given we are just starting to recover from the abomination that was Barry Prendergast), but SOS is really starting to challenge him in terms of recruiting ineptitude.

[Tram 74 80]

 

I know we are not in a position to gloat (given we are just starting to recover from the abomination that was Barry Prendergast), but SOS is really starting to challenge him in terms of recruiting ineptitude.

Have you ever looked at the early history of No1 draft picks? You are not even close. Do some serious research.

[Demon Disciple 12,069]

 

Have you ever looked at the early history of No1 draft picks? You are not even close. Do some serious research.

Pfft, #1 picks basically pick themselves.

A recruiter earns his money from the end of round 1, imo.

[Tram 74 80]

 

Pfft, #1 picks basically pick themselves.

A recruiter earns his money from the end of round 1, imo.

If a recruiter earns his money at the end of round one why did we work so hard to get Oliver and Wiedeman last year?

[Pates 9,660]

 

I would've liked us to get involved in the pick trade frenzy in the last day or so to try and get back into the top 30/20 picks. Ultimately I'm not unhappy but it's a write off year for drafting as far as we're concerned. We already have stacks of young talent so it's not a major concern but you wouldn't want to make a habit of it.

TMac and OMac have both turned into very good players from picks you would call a write off. That said I feel this might be a good chance to do pick up some real smokey's that might be a bit different. Perhaps look at a quick small forward, or maybe an outside the box ruck/forward.

Either way I think we've used what we had available to us to better our team for 2017, you can't ask for much more.

[mo64 5,853]

 

He's had multiple top 5 B&F finishes, including when they were a finals team.  Have you seen him play ?

Do you think the club would give up pick 29 in the absence of a first round draft pick if they didn't consider him a top shelf defender and exactly what we need ?

12 months out of the game when you're 26 and uninjured is hardly an issue.  This bloke is a competitive animal.

Jetta and Garlett ?  "Better exposed form" ?  Hahaha. Bi I have tremendous admiration for Jetta, but he's a rung below Hibberd as a footballer. 

Garlett is as soft as butter and the antithesis of Hibberd as a footballer.  I don't see Garlett as a regular senior player in 2017 unless he has a very strong mental correction.

I grew up in Essendon and have plenty of Bomber mates. Whilst most would have liked to have kept him, he was the most expendable of the returning drug cheats. Hibberd was ordinary in 2015, and even Tim Watson said that opposition clubs finally worked out that he had no right side.

And your argument about the club giving up pick 29 blah,blah,blah suggests that they never get things wrong. Is that the same FD that gave Garland a 3yr extension, and gave away pick 23 for Melksham?

Hibberd will be a handy acquisition, but he aint no top shelf defender.

[Gator 17,308]

 

I grew up in Essendon and have plenty of Bomber mates. Whilst most would have liked to have kept him, he was the most expendable of the returning drug cheats. Hibberd was ordinary in 2015, and even Tim Watson said that opposition clubs finally worked out that he had no right side.

And your argument about the club giving up pick 29 blah,blah,blah suggests that they never get things wrong. Is that the same FD that gave Garland a 3yr extension, and gave away pick 23 for Melksham?

Hibberd will be a handy acquisition, but he aint no top shelf defender.

Basing your views on "Essendon supporting mates" ?

Hahaha

[Demon Disciple 12,069]

 

If a recruiter earns his money at the end of round one why did we work so hard to get Oliver and Wiedeman last year?

Gee i don't know, maybe because that's generally where the best kids are drafted from. But the strengths of these kids are pretty much already known, the recruiter really earns his money deeper in the draft, when they are required to gamble on and back their own judgement (over other recruiters). Case in point, Jayden Hunt.