3 hours ago, SaberFang said:

Quite funny how Robbo never had an article pondering why none of the players admitted to ASADA interviewers about receiving off-site injections. Every single player, to a fault, lied when questioned about whether they were receiving injections.

I guess that's just an inconvenient element of the "good guy" narrative we'll sweep to the side, hey?

I read Robbo's article in Saturday's Hun, and I think it was ridiculous. His logic was abysmal. HOWEVER - I heard him on SEN on Thursday afternoon and he did say, that when he read that none of the players had admitted to receiving injections, - that constituted, in his words - "a game changer" for him. I don't know if he ever wrote an article to that effect.

That he would express that view and then write Saturday's article is quite incomprehensible.

I have posted on here before that i know players who write down the serial numbers and take photos of the bottles of any substances they take for their records, this is strongly encouraged by their management and taught at under age level. 

i find it extremely hard to believe that 34 Essendon players didn't know exactly what they were taking, if they were lied to that's a different thing but the evidence and results in the cases doesn't at all point to that being the case, it points to a whole club effort to muddy the waters to the point no one can be sure what happened, and hope that means no one can be found guilty. 

lets remember that if any 1 of the 34 players could have produced compelling recorded evidence that they took something other than TB4 they would have been found not guilty, but clearly they had absolutely no idea, or they did and they hid it, either way it's the same outcome, they miss a year of footy and they're known as drug cheats, Jobe has handed down the brownlow, so i'd say they've served their time. 

4 minutes ago, xarronn said:

I read Robbo's article in Saturday's Hun, and I think it was ridiculous. His logic was abysmal. HOWEVER - I heard him on SEN on Thursday afternoon and he did say, that when he read that none of the players had admitted to receiving injections, - that constituted, in his words - "a game changer" for him. I don't know if he ever wrote an article to that effect.

That he would express that view and then write Saturday's article is quite incomprehensible.

Unsurprising. An inconvenient truth that completely destroys the entire narrative he's spent years fabricating. So what does he do? Sweep it under the rug, pretend it never happened, and within 24 hours he continues on his merry way!

First rule of media propaganda: ignore the facts that don't suit your agenda.

On 11/11/2016 at 11:35 PM, Ted Fidge said:

Who would they strongly argue that to?

The Anti Fairness League

The About Face League

The Awfully Fickle League

The Arbitrarily Functioning League

 

Gil wouldn't even break stride

You forgot Absolute F***wits League

Why has it taken so long for the Zacha truth to be put on here, the issue is 4 years old, a convenient truth?

11 hours ago, SaberFang said:

I'm trying to see your point of view on the topic but is this your main point of contention? That ASADA have fabricated evidence or rigged the system to find the players guilty?

At no point has any player accused ASADA of fabricating evidence. No player has ever denied lying to interviewers about their off-site injections. If ASADA were inventing evidence to find them guilty, would every player and their pet dogs not be screaming about this to the media? Would there not have been a reference to such an accusation in any of the multiple court cases over the years? And would the media narrative not be slightly more substantial than, "they were all duped, but they're all really great blokes"?

I'm not saying ASADA are infallible; I think they've been made to look fairly incompetent throughout this entire saga, largely due to the endless obstacles and roadblocks put in place by both Essendon and (more discretely) the AFL. Not one party involved with the AFL has made the process easy for them, obfuscating at every turn (not to mention tip-offs to destroy evidence before investigators had a chance to reach Windy Hill).

rigged a system, that sounds a little like a certain tribunal that used an incorrect standard of proof seemingly in the hope that it would make the issue go away, and since then every other court has found the opposite outcome.  

ASADA were really up against it in this case, absolutely nobody wanted them to get to the bottom of it and unleash the dirty secrets into the light of day, they haven't been perfect but they got the job done and in my opinion got the correct result despite the tip off, constant leaking to cause a media storm against them which is a big part of why people say things about ASADA and the AFL tribunal which in my opinion used the wrong standard of proof to get a result. 

5 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Why has it taken so long for the Zacha truth to be put on here, the issue is 4 years old, a convenient truth?

Zaharakis's 'needle phobia' has been discussed at several different stages of the Essendon saga.

Just heard that Tanya Hird and Jams hird are not together anymore. Tanya Hird attended a function for ex AFL players WAGS (women who used to date AFL players but no longer do - Sounds like a secret society ;)).

Not surprised at all really that (if true) she is leaving him. [redacted]

If someone else has mentioned this sorry for re-reporting it.

Go Dees!

7 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Why has it taken so long for the Zacha truth to be put on here, the issue is 4 years old, a convenient truth?

I knew that Zacha take from years ago. One of the reasons this whole disgraceful saga makes me so angry. 

21 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Which again reinforces the idea that Essendon is still nothing more than a club that would rather get away with what it can rather than aim high and do what it should.

I'm not convinced that Essendon is any different from approximately 17 other clubs in this regard.

 

9 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Why has it taken so long for the Zacha truth to be put on here, the issue is 4 years old, a convenient truth?

Fair go Satyr. The military industrial complex has been busy making sure the truth about 9/11 and the international Jewish bank conglomerate/world government never comes out.

Even though they control the whole world, they still have limited resources. They've only just now got to item #3 (Zaka and his "fear of needles").

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'm not convinced that Essendon is any different from approximately 17 other clubs in this regard.

 

Emphasis on "approximately"

7 minutes ago, Ted Fidge said:

Fair go Satyr. The military industrial complex has been busy making sure the truth about 9/11 and the international Jewish bank conglomerate/world government never comes out.

Even though they control the whole world, they still have limited resources. They've only just now got to item #3 (Zaka and his "fear of needles").

Not forgetting fooling the world population on a day to day basis including sixty million white American males and females into voting for a lunatic and then employing them to build a wall, albeit gainfully employed....

10 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Why has it taken so long for the Zacha truth to be put on here, the issue is 4 years old, a convenient truth?

It hasn't  

There may well yet come that day Saty , you wake up ( light bulb moment ) ....Ahhhh I get it now !! 

Asked whether 2012 runners-up Mitchell and Cotchin should be recognised as winners, Watson added: “No I don’t.”

i Can't understand why the two fairest and best players of 2012 don't deserve medals, Watson cheated and they shouldn't miss out on the best individual award in the game and any extras it provides because he's only just started doing the right thing.

1 minute ago, Dr evil said:

Asked whether 2012 runners-up Mitchell and Cotchin should be recognised as winners, Watson added: “No I don’t.”

if you want a strong indication that Watson is in no way contrite, you just have to read that.

2 minutes ago, sue said:

if you want a strong indication that Watson is in no way contrite, you just have to read that.

Exactly.. if he was returning the medal for as he claims " the integrity of the award and what it stands for" he would understand it should be awarded to the most deserving player or players instead of him, and he's also admitting a level of guilt and that he doesn't fit that bill, this is close to proof in my eyes that he's been given a nudge to hand it back rather than actually wanting to do the right thing.

2 minutes ago, Dr evil said:

Asked whether 2012 runners-up Mitchell and Cotchin should be recognised as winners, Watson added: “No I don’t.”

i Can't understand why the two fairest and best players of 2012 don't deserve medals, Watson cheated and they shouldn't miss out on the best individual award in the game and any extras it provides because he's only just started doing the right thing.

I heard Slobbo on SEN earlier this afternoon. It made my blood boil that such a man can be the main voice of the Football Paper. His reasoning is so flawed. 

Watson as Captain would have been fully informed of "The Black Ops" and then we have all 34 who ommitted information on WADA forms. All of them ommitted the same information. 

Collusion...and still they are treated as Heroes...

If the AFL give medals to Mitchell & Cotchin, then those players can presumably sue for lost earnings, loss of enjoyment of life, etc etc.

AFL don't want that.

If the AFL don't give medals for 2012, the record books will always have that empty line there. In years to come ... 50 or 100 even ... people will want to know why. And they will remember what EFC and the AFL did in the years 2011-2016.

The AFL DEFINITELY don't want that.

2 minutes ago, Ted Fidge said:

If the AFL give medals to Mitchell & Cotchin, then those players can presumably sue for lost earnings, loss of enjoyment of life, etc etc.

AFL don't want that.

If the AFL don't give medals for 2012, the record books will always have that empty line there. In years to come ... 50 or 100 even ... people will want to know why. And they will remember what EFC and the AFL did in the years 2011-2016.

The AFL DEFINITELY don't want that.

Yup, and Cotchin has already said he'd take a medal if it was offered and Mitchell had a huge grin when asked so clearly they're both keen on it.

2 minutes ago, Ted Fidge said:

If the AFL give medals to Mitchell & Cotchin, then those players can presumably sue for lost earnings, loss of enjoyment of life, etc etc.

AFL don't want that.

If the AFL don't give medals for 2012, the record books will always have that empty line there. In years to come ... 50 or 100 even ... people will want to know why. And they will remember what EFC and the AFL did in the years 2011-2016.

The AFL DEFINITELY don't want that.

Jab will also be sueing for future loss of earnings. I bet my left one

Jab exhibits all the integrity of.......the AFL !! 

7 minutes ago, Ted Fidge said:

If the AFL give medals to Mitchell & Cotchin, then those players can presumably sue for lost earnings, loss of enjoyment of life, etc etc.

 

that's why they wanted them to appear at the hearing tomorrow.........so they could do a signed confidential deal (they can't do anything without a "deal")

5 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I heard Slobbo on SEN earlier this afternoon. It made my blood boil that such a man can be the main voice of the Football Paper. His reasoning is so flawed.

Every time he seems to be edging towards the truth, and therefore the realisation that his heroes have feet of clay, he retreats to his standard duped/rogue scientist/good blokes defence.

The guy must be on the edge of sanity.

It would be enough to drive a lesser man to drink.

1 minute ago, Ted Fidge said:

Every time he seems to be edging towards the truth, and therefore the realisation that his heroes have feet of clay, he retreats to his standard duped/rogue scientist/good blokes defence.

The guy must be on the edge of sanity.

It would be enough to drive a lesser man to drink.

lol