oh  but the AFL defines their world in shades of grey, didn't you know !! 

59 minutes ago, Chris said:

Just saw that Jobe has got to keep his All Australian status from 2012. Why am I not surprised the AFl think he cheated enough to get banned, enough to lose the Brownlow, yet no quite enough to lose the AA selection. It makes no sense, he either cheated that year with PED's or he didn't.

At least now we know the deal done to get him to give it up!

Must go and see the shrink now, I clearly need it as I am expecting sense from the AFL!

the hand that taketh also giveth.............................................soooo afl

Weak as p155

Edited November 16, 20168 yr by iv'a worn smith

It has cost the AFL a lot of time, effort, money, goodwill, etc etc, handling the EFC drugs affair.

It screams out that they would not want to go through that again.

Why oh why are they not sending an unambiguous message to all clubs and players that they will be dealt with harshly if they dabble in drugs.

Instead with their half-and-half message, "if you get caught we'll be on your side ... we may have to do you over but we'll look after you as best we can", they are inviting another episode. Not in the same form as the EFC case ... some new variation ... as clubs test the boundaries.

If your dog eats food off the dining table, you give it a whack on the snout. You don't say, "ooh, naughty boy .... naughty" ... and give it a pat.

 

1 hour ago, Chris said:

Just saw that Jobe has got to keep his All Australian status from 2012. Why am I not surprised the AFl think he cheated enough to get banned, enough to lose the Brownlow, yet no quite enough to lose the AA selection. It makes no sense, he either cheated that year with PED's or he didn't.

They are just paving the way for him to be admitted to the Hall of Fame after he retires.  After all he is such a good bloke and he saved them the trouble of stripping him of it...

46 minutes ago, Abe said:

Surely if he isn't able to win the brownlow that's the league admitting he cheated, and making his entire season a write off and all achievements like the Brownlow and AA void, can't be shades of grey here, either he did the wrong thing and loses it all, or WADA have no idea and he keeps it all, playing games like this just makes the league look silly.

The AFL has not accepted he cheated.  They would would say they did not ban him, nor take away the medal - its those nasty CAS people (and their stupid forfeiture rules) who have no idea about AFL and how things work down here.  AFL would point to the AFL Tribunal findings exonerating the players therefore according to their logic, on matters to which CAS has no jurisdiction, they apply their Tribunal findings:  Innocent!!.  

The AFL - a law unto themselves!

Edited November 16, 20168 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Interesting article

Bombers have just posted a one off loss for 2016 of just under $10M.

They attribute $4.5M to legal fees and compensation. (Sounds light.... perhaps the insurers have footed a rather large bill.)

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/nov/16/essendon-post-98m-loss-in-wake-of-cas-ruling-over-players-doping-bans

5 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The AFL has not accepted he cheated. 

... its those nasty CAS people (and their stupid forfeiture rules) who have no idea about AFL and how things work down here.

Bang! And that's it in a nutshell.

In the cosy brotherhood of the AFL, the real crime of the EFC is to embarrass the league. But like a bunch of blokes on a buck's night out, or at the cricket club on pie night, nah, we're all mates here, no harm done eh! We'll look after you because we're all in it together and we look after each other. No hard feelings. But mate, for gawd's sake, don't do it again.

ASADA has forced their way into the clubrooms ... the bloody wowsers ... and tried to shatter the protective shield around the sacred brotherhood. They are not cool. They are outsiders. They tried to send the strippers home. They told Dabba's missus what happened on the golf weekend! They're a bunch of dobbers. They are not one of Us. For that they cannot be forgiven.

39 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

...They attribute $4.5M to legal fees and compensation. (Sounds light.... perhaps the insurers have footed a rather large bill.).....

it's unlikely it's all completed yet. be interested to see next year's figures

Wikipedia changed already, no mention of TWSNBN.....clean slate

28 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Wikipedia changed already, no mention of TWSNBN.....clean slate

I have never worked out what TWSNNN is. Not surprised wkik has been edited, it is probably in the PD for one of the staff to make sure there is no mention of it. 

31 minutes ago, Chris said:

I have never worked out what TWSNNN is. Not surprised wkik has been edited, it is probably in the PD for one of the staff to make sure there is no mention of it. 

To Who Shall Not Be Named............by me in protest at what they as a Founding Team perpetrated..

15 hours ago, Abe said:

Surely if he isn't able to win the brownlow that's the league admitting he cheated, and making his entire season a write off and all achievements like the Brownlow and AA void, can't be shades of grey here, either he did the wrong thing and loses it all, or WADA have no idea and he keeps it all, playing games like this just makes the league look silly.

 

I think it's a bit more complex. Where should the AFL draw the line?

• should all the games played by those players be excluded from their total number of games played?
• should the games themselves be "scrubbed" from the records?
• if the answer to the question above is "yes", do you count those games in the totals of the players who played against Essendon in those games?
• what about the various statistical records such as disposals, players playing together, etc
• what about the games played by Essendon players who are not part of the 34? Do their records stand?

I think an answer could be decided for each one of these on their merits, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort of doing so.

51 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I think it's a bit more complex. Where should the AFL draw the line?

• should all the games played by those players be excluded from their total number of games played?
• should the games themselves be "scrubbed" from the records?
• if the answer to the question above is "yes", do you count those games in the totals of the players who played against Essendon in those games?
• what about the various statistical records such as disposals, players playing together, etc
• what about the games played by Essendon players who are not part of the 34? Do their records stand?

I think an answer could be decided for each one of these on their merits, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort of doing so.

none of those things you bring up are individual awards bestowed by the sporting competion 

14 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

none of those things you bring up are individual awards bestowed by the sporting competion 

Fair point...but is being selected in the AA team an award? I think it's questionable.

10 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Fair point...but is being selected in the AA team an award? I think it's questionable.

very much so....................................imo

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I think it's a bit more complex. Where should the AFL draw the line?

• should all the games played by those players be excluded from their total number of games played?
• should the games themselves be "scrubbed" from the records?
• if the answer to the question above is "yes", do you count those games in the totals of the players who played against Essendon in those games?
• what about the various statistical records such as disposals, players playing together, etc
• what about the games played by Essendon players who are not part of the 34? Do their records stand?

I think an answer could be decided for each one of these on their merits, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort of doing so.

I think the line should be awards, All Australian isn't fair because a player has missed out on the honor because he's cheated. 

Im enjoying the fact that jobe will ask for a higher compensation payout as a result of losing his brownlow.

I mean wtf

 

20 minutes ago, biggestred said:

Im enjoying the fact that jobe will ask for a higher compensation payout as a result of losing his brownlow.

I mean wtf

 

Not sure how this works so the legal people on here will be able to help..

With Jobes compensation claim and all the other players, do they have to prove they weren't complicit? for example do they have to produce records showing an alternative to what they've been found guilty of to prove they were duped? or do they simple get compensated because EFC officials ran the program regardless of whether they were in on it or not

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Fair point...but is being selected in the AA team an award? I think it's questionable.

Certainly is. These and others often trigger bonuses in player's contracts.

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Fair point...but is being selected in the AA team an award? I think it's questionable.

 

 

Reckon this covers it......

Edited November 17, 20168 yr by faultydet

11 minutes ago, faultydet said:

 

 

Reckon this covers it......

Checkmate

Fropm the Herald Sun (via Adelaide Advertiser):

All-Australian selector Kevin Bartlett says Jobe Watson cannot keep 2012 honour from AFL team of the year

ALL-Australian selector Kevin Bartlett is questioning how Essendon captain Jobe Watson is retaining his place in the 2012 AFL team of the year after being stripped of the Brownlow Medal.

The AFL Commission has ruled Watson - the only Essendon player in the 2012 All-Australian team - can remain in the team of the year because there is no “eligibility criteria” for this award.

But Bartlett notes a breach of the ASADA and WADA codes for using performance-enhancing drugs is to be met with “all awards, prizes and honours being stripped”.

“If you are cold-blooded about it, you cannot understand how the AFL has differentiated between the Brownlow Medal and the All-Australian team,” said Barlett, a member of the 2012 selection panel.

“The AFL Commission says it was a no-brainer to take the Brownlow Medal from Watson. If you are cold-blooded, you would have to take away all the other awards and honours too.

“In this case, the AFL has adhered to the rules in one instance (the Brownlow Medal) and not the other (the All-Australian team).

“What a mess this saga has been.”

google (Jobe should lose all-australian spot :KB)

6 hours ago, biggestred said:

Im enjoying the fact that jobe will ask for a higher compensation payout as a result of losing his brownlow.

I mean wtf

 

One would hope Mitchell and Cotchin head over to Ess asking for compo for lost earnings as well.

Essendon supplements architect Stephen Dank to appeal in public against 10 charges

Stephen Dank, the architect of the Essendon supplements program, is set to appear before the AFL appeals board on Monday but is angry no oral submissions will be allowed.

Dank is fighting 10 charges, including the alleged administration of thymosin beta-4. He is also seeking to overturn the lifelong ban slapped on him by the AFL anti-doping tribunal in June, 2015.

(source TheAged..  google Dank set to front public appeals hearing over supplements charges )

No Oral submissions , but in public. Have no idea where this might go  but can't see  ol' Danksie getting off from anything

6 hours ago, biggestred said:

Im enjoying the fact that jobe will ask for a higher compensation payout as a result of losing his brownlow.

I mean wtf

 

Only  in the headspace that is aka Essendon-think would any of that make sense. And yet they carry on obliviously in their own little world according to their own little sensibilities of 'justice'     The poor diddums...they're victims ya know !!