23 minutes ago, rjay said:

Mitchell is not a patch on Mitchell and O'Meara is still an unknown coming back from injury.

Maybe it's just as simple as Hawthorn saving money by having Tom use Sam's locker and re-using the artwork.

Seriously, this is a smart move by S Mitchell. He has maybe one or two years left as a player but 20-30 years ahead of him as a coach. If you take the emotion out of it, getting a role as an assistant coach at a club which is not the one you have played the rest of your career at enhances the learning and will make him a better coaching prospect. Whether or not it was his idea, the outcome would not be dissimilar to Steve Johnson going to the Giants.

20 minutes ago, stuie said:

My point is, he was gone soon anyway, so Hawthorn have moved to secure their future.

Either he is a loss now and they bring in two extremely talented young players or he is a loss in 1 or 2 years with nothing to replace him with.

 

Yes, but you were answering my post which had nothing to do with this.

They will miss Mitchell...

Just now, rjay said:

Yes, but you were answering my post which had nothing to do with this.

They will miss Mitchell...

Lol. Righto then mate. They would have missed Mitchell once he retired in a year or two as well. That's the point.

 

Its too funny. That [censored] the trade whisper is going to announce who he is at the end of the trade period and is giving a clue a day. His account is train wreck funny. I can't look away.

Would not surprise me at all if it is Ricky Nixon. The account has all the hallmarks of a delusional, narcissistic 50 odd year old man who is no longer relevant and is desperate to be. Once was a warrior.

5 minutes ago, stuie said:

Looking like Freo will receive pick 23 as compo once Mayne signs with Collingwood, mean we'll be out to pick 29 and drifting...

 

23 for Mayne?  wtf.  I must be criminally underrating him.  I think he has been average the last 2 years.  I had thought his career is winding down.

what are pies paying him and how are they fitting all this in the cap!? 

1 minute ago, DubDee said:

23 for Mayne?  wtf.  I must be criminally underrating him.  I think he has been average the last 2 years.  I had thought his career is winding down.

what are pies paying him and how are they fitting all this in the cap!? 

Apparently they're offering him 4 years which is why the compo is that high.

Nothing done yet though.

 

4 minutes ago, stuie said:

Lol. Righto then mate. They would have missed Mitchell once he retired in a year or two as well. That's the point.

 

Love yah! 'stuie'...looks like I will never get the last word.

Just now, rjay said:

Love yah! 'stuie'...looks like I will never get the last word.

Yes you will...

 

 

2 minutes ago, DubDee said:

23 for Mayne?  wtf.  I must be criminally underrating him.  I think he has been average the last 2 years.  I had thought his career is winding down.

what are pies paying him and how are they fitting all this in the cap!? 

He has been awful. It's a ridiculous compensation based on Collingwood's stupid offer.

Swan and Cloke moving on opens up most of the room for Wells and Mayne and then they just don't have a lot of good players to earn big money.

6 minutes ago, binman said:

Its too funny. That [censored] the trade whisper is going to announce who he is at the end of the trade period and is giving a clue a day. His account is train wreck funny. I can't look away.

Would not surprise me at all if it is Ricky Nixon. The account has all the hallmarks of a delusional, narcissistic 50 odd year old man who is no longer relevant and is desperate to be. Once was a warrior.

gotta be ricky nixon.

Should Freo get pick 23, that then goes to Hawthorn for Hill, and the pieces start to come together for the Hawks...

 

9 minutes ago, stuie said:

Should Freo get pick 23, that then goes to Hawthorn for Hill, and the pieces start to come together for the Hawks...

 

and i suspect it and something else gets the deal done for Mitchell, and O'meara will be a player and a pick.

no problems with mayne going for 23 - virtually the exact same formula that saw sylvia get the same for dees - similar $$ and a year more on the contract, plus mayne is slightly older.

would make sense that 23 then get passed over for hill.

in: fyfe, sandi, bennell, alex johnson, michael johnson, mccarthy, hill, kersten, plus they're keeping ballanytne and zac clarke, and they still hold pick 7.

forward line will be completely recast - mccarthy, kersten and tabener all possibilities of playing there in a rotational forward line, you'd think that they saw hogan why they would've chased hogan so hard, he would've been the leader of that lot by a country mile. 

5 minutes ago, Abe said:

and i suspect it and something else gets the deal done for Mitchell, and O'meara will be a player and a pick.

Would pick 33 from WC be enough you think? Hard to gauge the value on Mitchell (Sam). I would have thought maybe around 25ish would be fair.

So Hawks could end up losing Mitchell and Hill but gaining 23 and 33 on top of 14 and 35 that they already have. You'd think a future pick or two will have to be involved to get the O'Meara one done still. Mitchell (Tom) for pick 14 maybe? Then O'Meara for 23 and next year's first rounder?

 

Edited October 11, 20168 yr by stuie

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Sam Mitchell is being interviewed on SEN.  Said it could help Hawthorn if he played somewhere else.  Sounded like he would leave.

Reluctant to say it but purple does have excellent contacts - he is usually right.

TBH, I wish he was coming to us - we desperately need a confident on-field general.  A few months ago I posted it would be good to get Hodge a a playing coach, if his contract wasn't renewed.  Mitchell would fit the playing coach role perfectly and would be excellent for our players.  His on-field leadership is unsurpassed.

Story was broken by Hagdorn in Perth late last night.

Dont give purple the credit.

 

Ed: just saw your follow up post a page or two later. ?

Edited October 12, 20168 yr by McQueen

Just now, stuie said:

Would pick 33 from WC be enough you think? Hard to gauge the value on Mitchell. I would have thought maybe around 25ish would be fair.

So Hawks could end up losing Mitchell and Hill but gaining 23 and 33 on top of 14 and 35 that they already have. You'd think a future pick or two will have to be involved to get the O'Meara one done still. Mitchell for pick 14 maybe? Then O'Meara for 23 and next year's first rounder?

 

Maybe Brand fits into it somehow? the Swans need key defenders.

not sure if pick 23 and Brand would be enough

pick 14, 33 and say Hartung for O'meara maybe?

Just now, Abe said:

Maybe Brand fits into it somehow? the Swans need key defenders.

not sure if pick 23 and Brand would be enough

pick 14, 33 and say Hartung for O'meara maybe?

Either way, looks like the Hawks can make it all work.. Godammit

 

28 minutes ago, binman said:

Its too funny. That [censored] the trade whisper is going to announce who he is at the end of the trade period and is giving a clue a day. His account is train wreck funny. I can't look away.

Would not surprise me at all if it is Ricky Nixon. The account has all the hallmarks of a delusional, narcissistic 50 odd year old man who is no longer relevant and is desperate to be. Once was a warrior.

That twitter is soap opera bad! He has such wraps on himself and his fake popularity.

If it's anyone well known, the only clown it could possibly be is Nixon.

55 minutes ago, stuie said:

It's just a bit more grey than the black and white you're making it. Let's chat after you have a listen to the whole interview.

https://www.sen.com.au/audio/

 

Ok thanks for the link. 

I wonder if we will get a deal done today........ Always get so impatient waiting for something to happen!

1 minute ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

I wonder if we will get a deal done today........ Always get so impatient waiting for something to happen!

I wonder if the delay is the Bombers wanting to see just how far our second rounder gets pushed back, i mean it was 26, it's already gone to 28, 29 if the Mayne deal gets done. 

our 2017 second round pick might be looking more appealing now.

40 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Maybe it's just as simple as Hawthorn saving money by having Tom use Sam's locker and re-using the artwork.

Seriously, this is a smart move by S Mitchell. He has maybe one or two years left as a player but 20-30 years ahead of him as a coach. If you take the emotion out of it, getting a role as an assistant coach at a club which is not the one you have played the rest of your career at enhances the learning and will make him a better coaching prospect. Whether or not it was his idea, the outcome would not be dissimilar to Steve Johnson going to the Giants.

And the missing piece, that doesn't seem to have been mentioned so far, is that Mitchell apparently has a very good relationship with Adam Simpson, as does Clarko. This answers the "Why WCE?" question.

Clarko was open about the Hawks' salary cap issues when he discussed it with Mitchell. Mitchell had also made Clarko aware 12 months earlier that he'd had discussions with Simpson to go to WCE as an assistant when he retired as a player, and Simpson was probably aware that Mitchell's long-term aim would probably be to coach the Hawks.

Three mature & sensible men, being able to trust each other enough to be open with each other about their interests, working out a "win-win-win" solution.

I would love a Hawthorn A grader to play a season with us and then transition into a coaching role.

Lewis or Hodge. They will be highly sought after.

Absolutely, he's their main extractor and I doubt they will get a replacement in either Mitchell or O"Meara, they may be ok but he is the glue in that team.

 

5 minutes ago, Dante said:

Absolutely, he's their main extractor and I doubt they will get a replacement in either Mitchell or O"Meara, they may be ok but he is the glue in that team.

 

And when that "glue" retires in a year and they have nothing coming through?

But yeah, you're probably right, what would the Hawks know about prolonging success...