On 10/10/2016 at 05:29, demonoid said:

I'd get it done and be thankful they don't ask for more with that pick continuing to slide. Dee's now need to get creative to get back into the earlier stages of the draft

hehe, next years pick is gonna slide a lot more

  On 10/10/2016 at 05:29, demonoid said:

I'd get it done and be thankful they don't ask for more with that pick continuing to slide. Dee's now need to get creative to get back into the earlier stages of the draft

I'd say the assumption is that picks are always going to slide each year with free agency and academy picks.

I imagine we are wanting to use our current 2nd round pick on another deal.

Next years second round pick is fair in my opinion. Especially considering we've had to wait a year for Melksham. 

Edited October 10, 20168 yr by Demon Jack

  On 10/10/2016 at 05:27, Stretch Johnson said:

Hmm.  Something is cooking.

absolutely. 
That and the rumours from trade radio that we are going to make a play for someone, i recon this years pick will be used somewhere else other than Hibberd (ideally).

  On 10/10/2016 at 05:36, daisycutter said:

hehe, next years pick is gonna slide a lot more

Yep sure will DC.

Finishing fifth will mean Essendrug get done well and truely!

Edited October 10, 20168 yr by old dee

  On 10/10/2016 at 05:42, The Song Formerly Known As said:

absolutely. 
That and the rumours from trade radio that we are going to make a play for someone, i recon this years pick will be used somewhere else other than Hibberd (ideally).

I hadn't heard that rumor. What was said?

  On 10/10/2016 at 05:27, Stretch Johnson said:

Hmm.  Something is cooking.

Doubt it. More likely we're trying to even out our drafts given we have no first rounder this year. A second round pick this year and a first round pick next year is more balanced than both next year and nothing until the third round this year.

(This is of course excluding us trading picks for picks which is a high possibility IMO)

 

  On 10/10/2016 at 05:36, daisycutter said:

hehe, next years pick is gonna slide a lot more

This is exactly why Essendon want this years pick.

Take it or leave it Essendrug...

  On 10/10/2016 at 06:02, stuie said:

Doubt it. More likely we're trying to even out our drafts given we have no first rounder this year. A second round pick this year and a first round pick next year is more balanced than both next year and nothing until the third round this year.

(This is of course excluding us trading picks for picks which is a high possibility IMO)

 

It is also probably a bargaining ploy to ensure they don't ask for anything more for him. We start with a little more and we'd take it and run if we could get it done for next year's, but we'll also be happy to settle for this year's.

  On 10/10/2016 at 05:23, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Confirmation here that we've offered a second round draft pick from next year for Hibberd. Essendon wants a second round this year.

love this...playing essendon at their own game of "dancing with shadows !!"

Starting to really like the way the club goes about this. It's not perfect , and still dubious about the cost of Milkshake , but we seem a rather lateral mob come a dealings time now.

Esendon will no dount think we are well and truly on the hook for Hibberd. We might be, but to throw a curve ball at them in a subtle way is a good ploy. They will need to now offload Hibberd  and use that pick( whatever it is we give them ) much more than we actually need Hibberd.   

Upper hand firmly held by the Dees.  Well done

  On 10/10/2016 at 07:03, beelzebub said:

Esendon will no dount think we are well and truly on the hook for Hibberd. We might be, but to throw a curve ball at them in a subtle way is a good ploy. They will need to now offload Hibberd  and use that pick( whatever it is we give them ) much more than we actually need Hibberd.   

Upper hand firmly held by the Dees.  Well done

I think you are over thinking this, it is not a curve ball, we have given them two scenarios, will be up to them to decide which one they would like to go with, I am sure we have a plan either way, Hibberd wants to be at MFC and not Essendon, something will be worked out and quite quickly I would have thought

  On 10/10/2016 at 07:09, Satyriconhome said:

I think you are over thinking this, it is not a curve ball, we have given them two scenarios, will be up to them to decide which one they would like to go with, I am sure we have a plan either way, Hibberd wants to be at MFC and not Essendon, something will be worked out and quite quickly I would have thought

I think youre underthinking it. Or dont actually comprehend the mechanics od dealing.

The power of any negotiation is who blinks.  99% of all 'purchases'are driven by the fear of losing. Dont believe me ask any well heeled advertising exec.

What Melbourne has done is turn the tables on Essendon.  They will now deal with us as we wish, not as they wish. New territory for them no doubt. 

[censored] Essendon

  On 10/10/2016 at 07:14, beelzebub said:

I think youre underthinking it. Or dont actually comprehend the mechanics od dealing.

The power of any negotiation is who blinks.  99% of all 'purchases'are driven by the fear of losing. Dont believe me ask any well heeled advertising exec.

What Melbourne has done is turn the tables on Essendon.  They will now deal with us as we wish, not as they wish. New territory for them no doubt. 

I understand negotiation, we have given them two alternatives, so what you think is going to happen is Essendon will 'panic' and accept the next year pick? They have the player who wants to move to MFC, and we supposedly want the player, it doesn't necessarily mean it will actually happen the way we want it to, I think the negotiation is on equal footing

  On 10/10/2016 at 07:19, Satyriconhome said:

I understand negotiation, we have given them two alternatives, so what you think is going to happen is Essendon will 'panic' and accept the next year pick? They have the player who wants to move to MFC, and we supposedly want the player, it doesn't necessarily mean it will actually happen the way we want it to, I think the negotiation is on equal footing

Saty, what are the two alternatives.  We have offered next year's 2nd round pick.  Did I miss the other offer?

  On 10/10/2016 at 07:24, Lucifer's Hero said:

Saty, what are the two alternatives.  We have offered next year's 2nd round pick.  Did I miss the other offer?

You can bet your bottom dollar we have put more than next years 2nd round pick on the table, just to see how it falls, you really think we would say next years 2nd round pick or it doesn't happen, wouldn't surprise me if there were two or three scenarios on the table, including this years 2nd round pick and other picks etc

Just one offer thus far - "Their situation is they've offered a future second and we'd just like to get this year's second round so we're discussing that with them at the moment." Dodoro said.

  On 10/10/2016 at 07:24, Lucifer's Hero said:

Saty, what are the two alternatives.  We have offered next year's 2nd round pick.  Did I miss the other offer?

Absolutely. Offer them what we want to give them and see what happens.

Lol, now Saty is Melbourne's trade negotiating 'expert'!

  On 10/10/2016 at 07:29, PaulRB said:

Just one offer thus far - "Their situation is they've offered a future second and we'd just like to get this year's second round so we're discussing that with them at the moment." Dodoro said.

Straight bat, back down the wicket, word for word what Mahoney said

  On 10/10/2016 at 07:19, Satyriconhome said:

I understand negotiation, we have given them two alternatives, so what you think is going to happen is Essendon will 'panic' and accept the next year pick? They have the player who wants to move to MFC, and we supposedly want the player, it doesn't necessarily mean it will actually happen the way we want it to, I think the negotiation is on equal footing

Dont expect Essendon to take next years pick at all.. I might think Melbourne might offer a pick, still 2nd round but not the one they might have already 'banked"

 

edit

or Melbourne might find juicier fruit available using said "2nd rounder" and suggest Efc take it or leave it....back to 'blinking"

Again...it's a game.. we are playing them...instead of BEING played.  its fascinating We CANT lose...they can

Edited October 10, 20168 yr by beelzebub

  On 10/10/2016 at 07:29, Satyriconhome said:

You can bet your bottom dollar we have put more than next years 2nd round pick on the table, just to see how it falls, you really think we would say next years 2nd round pick or it doesn't happen, wouldn't surprise me if there were two or three scenarios on the table, including this years 2nd round pick and other picks etc

I think we can all come up with alternative scenarios but that wasn't what your earlier posts said.

No I don't think we would say it is next years 2nd round or it doesn't happen, nor did I say anything of the sort. 

I wasn't doubting you or the club Saty, just asking for clarification on the 2nd alternative as you mentioned it in several posts and it sounded like you knew of 2 specific offers on the table. 

 

Edited October 10, 20168 yr by Lucifer's Hero

  On 10/10/2016 at 07:29, Moonshadow said:

Absolutely. Offer them what we want to give them and see what happens.

Lol, now Saty is Melbourne's trade negotiating 'expert'!

If you think that is how negotiation during trade week happens then you must be a bit naive, I am not the expert, but I have had conversations with people who have been directly involved in trade week,  but I am also not that naive to think we would say take it or leave it

  On 10/10/2016 at 07:32, Satyriconhome said:

If you think that is how negotiation during trade week happens then you must be a bit naive, I am not the expert, but I have had conversations with people who have been directly involved in trade week,  but I am also not that naive to think we would say take it or leave it

pick new words.....same thing...iT IS a game of blink... Weve been bent over in the past.....No more

Saty the power in negotiations is the affordability to walk away...We can. 

yeah...Hibberd.... but......