WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - MICHAEL HIBBERD

[deanox 9,989]

1 minute ago, FireInTheBelly said:

If it is going to be a 2nd rounder it should be next years. Considering we paid up front for Milkshake but were unable to open the box for 12 months, the favour should be returned and we get Hibbo now, they get paid their 2nd round pick next year.

Id love us to say that publicly. 

[Mt. Dee-Maaan 608]

i just had a quick look at the bomber forum *shudder* and there was a suggestion of salem and our second rd pick for hibberd. LOL. another suggestion was combining our second rd pick and grimes/trengove to get a pick in the early 20's (for hibberd). what a shite way to send out an ex-captain. i'd rather go without hibberd entirely. hope we stand firm. 

[Watts the matter 1,235]

2 hours ago, fndee said:

Considering Jason Taylor's record since landing with us, I think seeing who he would have chosen would just make us all sad

Is this the biggest myth on Demonland?

 

[Members' Wing 1,106]

30 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

Is this the biggest myth on Demonland?

 

Jason Taylor? Hasn't got too many wrong has he?!

[Watts the matter 1,235]

28 minutes ago, Members' Wing said:

Jason Taylor? Hasn't got too many wrong has he?!

The jury is still out IMO.

2013 draft return looking average, not great like many here would have you believe. 

Salem this far a disappointment for pick 9. JKH a poor selection. Hunt a good selection but other recruiters took some good players around the same pick. Harmes an adequate pick.

2014 OK once again.

2,3 - Petracca, Brayshaw picked themselves, but interesting we didn't bid on Moore who looks a better player than the latter. Wright wasn't in the discussion but looking back now he should have been. Have read in Emma Quayles book that we told him he would have to be a ruckman at AFL level and not a forward. Not sure if this is Roos' philosophy or JT's. Stretch FS. Don't rate ANB and didn't at the time of the draft. McDonald is a player with clear limitations but at this pick that's a pass. AVB an OK pick. 

2015. This one has me the most nervous. Oliver a fantastic pick but Weideman has me worried (not just based on his 2 games), more his playing style and the way footy is being played. Has a lack of agility, ability to get involved in the game without marking and poor - average field kicking along with some of the worst defensive efforts I have seen. This was clearly the biggest risk he has taken at the draft so it will be interesting to see how it pans out. Hullett is looking promising from all reports but have barely seen him.

Also I have mentioned this part before, but the fact he rated Lewis Taylor in the top 9 players in the 2013 draft is concerning.

 

Edited August 22, 2016 by Watts the matter

[jackaub 1,402]

9 hours ago, ENYAW said:

Pick 27 for Hibberd is a no, he should be allowed to leave EFC free of charge…………. actually you do have to give up a draft pick. We delisted Fitzpatrick and recieve pick 84 from the Hawks. The Dees should be looking elsewhere i.e GWS the footyfactory we have been served well by them in the past and they are easier to work with than the EFC. As I said B4 Caleb Marchbank looks the goods. 

Couldn't Agree more Wayne

Better players available easier to deal with and no drugs history

If Goodwin wasn't there would we be even looking at Ex Essendon players?

just dont like  it !!

Edited August 22, 2016 by jackaub
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7 hours ago, Watts the matter said:

The jury is still out IMO.

So it's not a myth then ?  A myth is a false belief, but now you're saying the jury is out ?

Btw, I don't agree with your evaluations and some of your judgments are either too early or wrong.  

Who was taken after Hunt that makes this selection anything other than stunning ?  

We were desperate to improve our midfield, so I can't see any logical supporter questioning the Brayshaw decision.  He'll be a star in my view.  

Your concerns on Weideman at such an early stage seem very premature, but fair enough, your opinion.  

Oscar and vandebBerg are very good picks after 50 of the ND - "limitations" or no limitations.  

Oliver may go down as one of the best picks by a recruiter since the inception of the draft (1986).  

And no, it's far too early to call Salem a "disappointment" on the back of an injury plagued third year.  He's already shown his class in his first two.

I find your assessments strange.  You'd have to go out of your way to take the negative position you seem to have. 

[nutbean 8,838]

12 minutes ago, ProDee said:

So it's not a myth then ?  A myth is a false belief, but now you're saying the jury is out ?

Btw, I don't agree with your evaluations and some of your judgments are either too early or wrong.  

Who was taken after Hunt that makes this selection anything other than stunning ?  

We were desperate to improve our midfield, so I can't see any logical supporter questioning the Brayshaw decision.  He'll be a star in my view.  

Your concerns on Weideman at such an early stage seem very premature, but fair enough, your opinion.  

Oscar and vandebBerg are very good picks after 50 of the ND - "limitations" or no limitations.  

Oliver may go down as one of the best picks by a recruiter since the inception of the draft (1986).  

And no, it's far too early to call Salem a "disappointment" on the back of an injury plagued third year.  He's already shown his class in his first two.

I find your assessments strange.  You'd have to go out of your way to take the negative position you seem to have. 

Just as easy to say - Judging drafting on the output of players who are no older than 21 is premature in the extreme.

 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

13 minutes ago, ProDee said:

So it's not a myth then ?  A myth is a false belief, but now you're saying the jury is out ?

Btw, I don't agree with your evaluations and some of your judgments are either too early or wrong.  

Who was taken after Hunt that makes this selection anything other than stunning ?  

We were desperate to improve our midfield, so I can't see any logical supporter questioning the Brayshaw decision.  He'll be a star in my view.  

Your concerns on Weideman at such an early stage seem very premature, but fair enough, your opinion.  

Oscar and vandebBerg are very good picks after 50 of the ND - "limitations" or no limitations.  

Oliver may go down as one of the best picks by a recruiter since the inception of the draft (1986).  

And no, it's far too early to call Salem a "disappointment" on the back of an injury plagued third year.  He's already shown his class in his first two.

I find your assessments strange.  You'd have to go out of your way to take the negative position you seem to have. 

If you read through his assessments again, he literally goes out of his way to not give any pick a full pass mark.  The Hunt one leaves me shaking my head - it's turned out to be a sensational pick, one I didn't even see coming, yet because there were other good players around it's just a 'good' pick.  Baffling.

[Dee-licious 1,954]

7 hours ago, Watts the matter said:

The jury is still out IMO.

2013 draft return looking average, not great like many here would have you believe. 

Salem this far a disappointment for pick 9. JKH a poor selection. Hunt a good selection but other recruiters took some good players around the same pick. Harmes an adequate pick.

2014 OK once again.

2,3 - Petracca, Brayshaw picked themselves, but interesting we didn't bid on Moore who looks a better player than the latter. Wright wasn't in the discussion but looking back now he should have been. Have read in Emma Quayles book that we told him he would have to be a ruckman at AFL level and not a forward. Not sure if this is Roos' philosophy or JT's. Stretch FS. Don't rate ANB and didn't at the time of the draft. McDonald is a player with clear limitations but at this pick that's a pass. AVB an OK pick. 

2015. This one has me the most nervous. Oliver a fantastic pick but Weideman has me worried (not just based on his 2 games), more his playing style and the way footy is being played. Has a lack of agility, ability to get involved in the game without marking and poor - average field kicking along with some of the worst defensive efforts I have seen. This was clearly the biggest risk he has taken at the draft so it will be interesting to see how it pans out. Hullett is looking promising from all reports but have barely seen him.

Also I have mentioned this part before, but the fact he rated Lewis Taylor in the top 9 players in the 2013 draft is concerning.

 

Ok, ok. I know this is a Hibberd thread but I wanted to pick up on this. 

2013 included getting Sylvia out for Vince (tick); Bringing across Cross (tick), Dom Tyson (tick), I'll ding him for Riley and Michie but we paid pick 54 for this. In terms of that draft and you are saying Salem is a disappointment. Salem has been injured which is beyond his control and when he has played he has been very valuable. Now - lets crystal ball this and look at who else was taken after him Freeman (no), Sheed (WA boy), Cripps (well would have liked him but no one would have guessed this, everything thought 13 was reaching), McCarthy (WA boy), Jones (Salem's showed more), etc etc. The only one I'd say would be good would have been Matt Crouch at 23 but he is a poor man's Viney. Salem is what we needed and is still very young. Remember JKH started like a house on fire and again injuries have let him down. He's been very good at Casey the past few weeks so lets let the 21 year old have an injury free pre-season. After him was Kolodjashnij, Alir, Byrne-Jones, and Fantasia - all of which have only showed something in the back end of this year. Also nailed Hunt, nailed Harmes, Max King we can say might not work out (Rookie), Georgiou was a bust but played a role in his first year, and the faith in Nev to rookie was paid off. That is more ticks than crosses from 2013 and if Salem and JKH develop he has nailed 2013. 

2014 Garlett (tick), Frost (tick), Lumumba (injuries), and then you cannot help but look at this draft and smile. Trac (tick), Brayshaw (tick). Now you can say they picked themselves, but so did Wines. You need to be brave enough to pick the player and not think what could we develop Wright/Lever/Ahern in to. Stretch (tick), McDonald (tick), AVB (tick), White (tick - he has played AFL games as a rookie, that is enough for a tick when you see that most Rookies dont), ANB has played really well in the 2's but hasnt transferred that to the big stage. I believe this is because he is playing out of position in the AFL and in another side where he can play as a midfielder he'll have a greater impact. Time will tell and I'll leave that as open ended. So from this year we'd say that H might have been handled better and ANB could have been Caleb Daniel. Overall that is a great strike rate. 

2015 Melksham trade (TBC) but for the record if I had that pick I would have got Kieran Collins or Rhys Mattherson. The next deal which was Howe, Toump, 6, 1st rounder for pick 3, 7, Bugg and Kennedy, is a little harder to gauge. If it is Howe for Bugg - we have lost as Howe is having a better season. Toump for Kennedy - we won that. 3 for 6 means Oliver over Weiderman (I dont see us taking Ah Chee, maybe Curnow if you want another player in here rather than Weid) and Weiderman over this year's pick 8 which according to Knightmare could be Josh Battle which already I think we've won. So you probably say we've come out of top here as the sum of the parts is better. As for the draft Oliver (big tick), Weideman (jury is still out but has all the traits of a very promising footballer), Mitch King (injured), Hulett (too early, but signs are good). In terms of later picks than those too, Wills and Menengola have done well the past month, but they are VFL players. Markov has looked good, and Sam Collins has done well for Freo. Dont think we missed much here though. The upside of our draftees is still there. Rookie draft - Wagner (tick) and Michie has been good in the VFL and played some AFL games. There was nothing else after him that was really worth drafting, maybe Marbior Chol. 

The big question is that of the 22 that beat Hawthorn, how many are Taylor's: 

B: Jetta (2013 - R) Frost (2014) Hunt (2013) Bugg (2015) McDonald (2014)
M: Petracca (2014), Vince (2013), Tyson (2013), 
F: Garlett (2014), VDB (2014), Weideman (2015), 
I: Brayshaw (2014), Oliver (2015), Stretch (2014), Harmes (2013)

That is 15/22. 

For the record, those who werent playing that day it is a 9 - 8 split (senior list) with 8 being Taylor picked. My final point is that we are the youngest most experienced side and until last weekend, the only one's who had a chance to get into finals. Sides that have lists that are badly managed dont get that close to finals that young. 

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6 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

If you read through his assessments again, he literally goes out of his way to not give any pick a full pass mark.  The Hunt one leaves me shaking my head - it's turned out to be a sensational pick, one I didn't even see coming, yet because there were other good players around it's just a 'good' pick.  Baffling.

To prove how poor his Jayden Hunt call was these were the players selected after Hunt at pick 57.. James Sicily was taken at pick 56 which was out of our control.

Besides the rookie upgrades there is not one player there i would rather have then Hunt.

Incredibly poor post by WTM.

ROUND FOUR

57. Melbourne: Jayden Hunt

58. Fremantle: Brady Grey

59. Hawthorn: Jonathan Cegler

60. Western Bulldogs: Mitch Honeychurch

61. West Coast: Jamie Bennell

62. Brisbane Lions: Jonathan Freeman

63. Geelong: George Burbury

64. Essendon: Lauchlan Dalgleish

65. Collingwood: Tom Langdon

66. Richmond: Sam Lloyd

67. Carlton: PASSED

68. Port Adelaide: Karl Amon

69. Sydney: PASSED

70. Fremantle: Matthew Taberner

71. Hawthorn: Will Langford


ROUND FIVE

72. GWS: PASSED

73. GWS: PASSED

74. West Coast: Jeremy McGovern

75. Brisbane: Justin Clarke

76. Adelaide: Kyle Hartigan

77. Collingwood: Jonathan Marsh

78. Richmond: PASSED

79. Carlton: PASSED

80. Sydney: Braydon Jack


ROUND SIX

81. GWS: PASSED

82. Melbourne: Mitchell Clisby

83. St Kilda: Tom Curren

84. Western Bulldogs: Brett Goodes

85. West Coast: Simon Tunbridge

86. Adelaide: Rory Laird

87. Collingwood: Sam Dwyer

88. Richmond: PASSED

89. Carlton: Ed Curnow

90. Sydney: Dane Rampe


ROUND SEVEN

91. GWS: PASSED

92. Collingwood: Adam Oxley

93. Richmond: Ricky Petterd

94. Carlton: Tom Bell


ROUND EIGHT

95. GWS: Zachary Williams

96. Collingwood: PASSED


ROUND NINE

97. GWS: Jake Barrett

[chook fowler 19,528]

Here we go - the Dons getting a lend of themselves saying pick 27 won't get the deal done. Stuff them they should take what they're given. Hope we play hard ball.

[MadAsHell 4,215]

11 hours ago, faultydet said:

I see it differently D11.

Just because Clark was a bust also, doesn't mean we got value for Lumumba.

He has been a failure any way you look at it, especially considering Jason Taylors record since landing with us. I would love to see who he would have chosen at that pick.

We didn't use any picks to get Lumumba, it was a straight playet swap.

Clark to Cats, Varcoe to Pies, Lumumba to us.

Has to be seen as a tick as Clark was never going to play for us again.

[Redleg 41,420]

53 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Here we go - the Dons getting a lend of themselves saying pick 27 won't get the deal done. Stuff them they should take what they're given. Hope we play hard ball.

Posturing for their fans. The word is  the deal is done.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Redleg

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

The bombers need to realise he's been out of the AFL system for 12 months, there is no way of knowing how long it will take these players to re-adjust to that lifestyle, and training and if they'll be able to deliver right away, i have no doubt these players will be a long way below their best. 

personally think pick 27 is a little generous if anything.

[Watts the matter 1,235]

2 hours ago, ProDee said:

So it's not a myth then ?  A myth is a false belief, but now you're saying the jury is out ?

Btw, I don't agree with your evaluations and some of your judgments are either too early or wrong.  

Who was taken after Hunt that makes this selection anything other than stunning ?  

We were desperate to improve our midfield, so I can't see any logical supporter questioning the Brayshaw decision.  He'll be a star in my view.  

Your concerns on Weideman at such an early stage seem very premature, but fair enough, your opinion.  

Oscar and vandebBerg are very good picks after 50 of the ND - "limitations" or no limitations.  

Oliver may go down as one of the best picks by a recruiter since the inception of the draft (1986).  

And no, it's far too early to call Salem a "disappointment" on the back of an injury plagued third year.  He's already shown his class in his first two.

I find your assessments strange.  You'd have to go out of your way to take the negative position you seem to have. 

Semantics, the poster I responded to stated Jason Taylor's potential pick would make us sad. It was pick 30. The nearest picks he has had have been JKH and ANB and neither player excites me in any way. 

Second part, fair enough. I stated some good players were taken around this pick. For instance Essendon went into the draft with pick 26 and 55 and ended up with Merrett and Fantasia, that is something that would make me think the recruiter was a genius. But as I have stated I think it was a good pick.

Third part, Salem was a disappointment this year prior to his injury. Players often get overrated by fans when they are injured and this appears to be the case here. While he does have many assets which will be valuable his inability to spread at speed is a concern as is best his position at AFL level.

 

1 hour ago, Dee-licious said:

Ok, ok. I know this is a Hibberd thread but I wanted to pick up on this. 

2013 included getting Sylvia out for Vince (tick); Bringing across Cross (tick), Dom Tyson (tick), I'll ding him for Riley and Michie but we paid pick 54 for this. In terms of that draft and you are saying Salem is a disappointment. Salem has been injured which is beyond his control and when he has played he has been very valuable. Now - lets crystal ball this and look at who else was taken after him Freeman (no), Sheed (WA boy), Cripps (well would have liked him but no one would have guessed this, everything thought 13 was reaching), McCarthy (WA boy), Jones (Salem's showed more), etc etc. The only one I'd say would be good would have been Matt Crouch at 23 but he is a poor man's Viney. Salem is what we needed and is still very young. Remember JKH started like a house on fire and again injuries have let him down. He's been very good at Casey the past few weeks so lets let the 21 year old have an injury free pre-season. After him was Kolodjashnij, Alir, Byrne-Jones, and Fantasia - all of which have only showed something in the back end of this year. Also nailed Hunt, nailed Harmes, Max King we can say might not work out (Rookie), Georgiou was a bust but played a role in his first year, and the faith in Nev to rookie was paid off. That is more ticks than crosses from 2013 and if Salem and JKH develop he has nailed 2013. 

2014 Garlett (tick), Frost (tick), Lumumba (injuries), and then you cannot help but look at this draft and smile. Trac (tick), Brayshaw (tick). Now you can say they picked themselves, but so did Wines. You need to be brave enough to pick the player and not think what could we develop Wright/Lever/Ahern in to. Stretch (tick), McDonald (tick), AVB (tick), White (tick - he has played AFL games as a rookie, that is enough for a tick when you see that most Rookies dont), ANB has played really well in the 2's but hasnt transferred that to the big stage. I believe this is because he is playing out of position in the AFL and in another side where he can play as a midfielder he'll have a greater impact. Time will tell and I'll leave that as open ended. So from this year we'd say that H might have been handled better and ANB could have been Caleb Daniel. Overall that is a great strike rate. 

2015 Melksham trade (TBC) but for the record if I had that pick I would have got Kieran Collins or Rhys Mattherson. The next deal which was Howe, Toump, 6, 1st rounder for pick 3, 7, Bugg and Kennedy, is a little harder to gauge. If it is Howe for Bugg - we have lost as Howe is having a better season. Toump for Kennedy - we won that. 3 for 6 means Oliver over Weiderman (I dont see us taking Ah Chee, maybe Curnow if you want another player in here rather than Weid) and Weiderman over this year's pick 8 which according to Knightmare could be Josh Battle which already I think we've won. So you probably say we've come out of top here as the sum of the parts is better. As for the draft Oliver (big tick), Weideman (jury is still out but has all the traits of a very promising footballer), Mitch King (injured), Hulett (too early, but signs are good). In terms of later picks than those too, Wills and Menengola have done well the past month, but they are VFL players. Markov has looked good, and Sam Collins has done well for Freo. Dont think we missed much here though. The upside of our draftees is still there. Rookie draft - Wagner (tick) and Michie has been good in the VFL and played some AFL games. There was nothing else after him that was really worth drafting, maybe Marbior Chol. 

The big question is that of the 22 that beat Hawthorn, how many are Taylor's: 

B: Jetta (2013 - R) Frost (2014) Hunt (2013) Bugg (2015) McDonald (2014)
M: Petracca (2014), Vince (2013), Tyson (2013), 
F: Garlett (2014), VDB (2014), Weideman (2015), 
I: Brayshaw (2014), Oliver (2015), Stretch (2014), Harmes (2013)

That is 15/22. 

For the record, those who werent playing that day it is a 9 - 8 split (senior list) with 8 being Taylor picked. My final point is that we are the youngest most experienced side and until last weekend, the only one's who had a chance to get into finals. Sides that have lists that are badly managed dont get that close to finals that young. 

This has moved somewhat from drafting to recruitment and while I don't agree with many of the assessments I would say Mahoney, Viney and Roos would be just as responsible for many of these decision. 

Not sure if it's an oversight with Zach Merrett or you just don't rate him? Right under our nose at Sandy.

[Undeeterred 3,124]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

To prove how poor his Jayden Hunt call was these were the players selected after Hunt at pick 57.. James Sicily was taken at pick 56 which was out of our control.

Besides the rookie upgrades there is not one player there i would rather have then Hunt.

Incredibly poor post by WTM.

ROUND FOUR

57. Melbourne: Jayden Hunt

58. Fremantle: Brady Grey

59. Hawthorn: Jonathan Cegler

60. Western Bulldogs: Mitch Honeychurch

61. West Coast: Jamie Bennell

62. Brisbane Lions: Jonathan Freeman

63. Geelong: George Burbury

64. Essendon: Lauchlan Dalgleish

65. Collingwood: Tom Langdon

66. Richmond: Sam Lloyd

67. Carlton: PASSED

68. Port Adelaide: Karl Amon

69. Sydney: PASSED

70. Fremantle: Matthew Taberner

71. Hawthorn: Will Langford


ROUND FIVE

72. GWS: PASSED

73. GWS: PASSED

74. West Coast: Jeremy McGovern

75. Brisbane: Justin Clarke

76. Adelaide: Kyle Hartigan

77. Collingwood: Jonathan Marsh

78. Richmond: PASSED

79. Carlton: PASSED

80. Sydney: Braydon Jack


ROUND SIX

81. GWS: PASSED

82. Melbourne: Mitchell Clisby

83. St Kilda: Tom Curren

84. Western Bulldogs: Brett Goodes

85. West Coast: Simon Tunbridge

86. Adelaide: Rory Laird

87. Collingwood: Sam Dwyer

88. Richmond: PASSED

89. Carlton: Ed Curnow

90. Sydney: Dane Rampe


ROUND SEVEN

91. GWS: PASSED

92. Collingwood: Adam Oxley

93. Richmond: Ricky Petterd

94. Carlton: Tom Bell


ROUND EIGHT

95. GWS: Zachary Williams

96. Collingwood: PASSED


ROUND NINE

97. GWS: Jake Barrett

Dane Rampe, Jeremy McGovern and Rory Laird would be pretty handy in our backline right now.

And Ceglar is pretty handy

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Edit: Deleted my post as I realised a few of those players were rookie upgrades as people have already pointed out.

Shiet.

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39 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Dane Rampe, Jeremy McGovern and Rory Laird would be pretty handy in our backline right now.

And Ceglar is pretty handy

You do realise that none of those players were available to the MFC in the 2013 draft ?  They were all rookie upgrades and selected in drafts prior to 2013 - Hunt's draft.

[Gator 17,449]

41 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

Semantics, the poster I responded to stated Jason Taylor's potential pick would make us sad. It was pick 30. The nearest picks he has had have been JKH and ANB and neither player excites me in any way. 

Second part, fair enough. I stated some good players were taken around this pick. For instance Essendon went into the draft with pick 26 and 55 and ended up with Merrett and Fantasia, that is something that would make me think the recruiter was a genius. But as I have stated I think it was a good pick.

Third part, Salem was a disappointment this year prior to his injury. Players often get overrated by fans when they are injured and this appears to be the case here. While he does have many assets which will be valuable his inability to spread at speed is a concern as is best his position at AFL level.

Not semantics, just a mistake.

This business of people being "taken around" Hunt is an utter nonsense.  Taylor only had access to players available at pick 57, not those taken before.  Name ONE pick after Hunt that is any good.

I'll disagree on Salem.  He's a young player with tremendous class that is miles off his best.  Let's talk when he's played 60-80 games.

As for Kennedy-Harris and Neal-Bullen, neither does much for me either, but I don't expect him to nail every 40+ pick.  Do you ?  Steven Wells has plenty of failures.

Taylor's record looks superb to me any way I want to slice it or dice it.

[nutbean 8,838]

2 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Not semantics, just a mistake.

This business of people being "taken around" Hunt is an utter nonsense.  Taylor only had access to players available at pick 57, not those taken before.  Name ONE pick after Hunt that is any good.

I'll disagree on Salem.  He's a young player with tremendous class that is miles off his best.  Let's talk when he's played 60-80 games.

As for Kennedy-Harris and Neal-Bullen, neither does much for me either, but I don't expect him to nail every 40+ pick.  Do you ?  Steven Wells has plenty of failures.

Taylor's record looks superb to me any way I want to slice it or dice it.

I agree.

Interested in your take on development  - how much weight do you give to the development team ( and the work they have done) since Roos has come to the club.

My feeling has been that in the past we have taken draft picks and said "sink or swim" whereas the Roos era has been about further education.

 

[dazzledavey36 55,316]

54 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Dane Rampe, Jeremy McGovern and Rory Laird would be pretty handy in our backline right now.

And Ceglar is pretty handy

They are all rookie elevation picks mate.

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2 minutes ago, nutbean said:

I agree.

Interested in your take on development  - how much weight do you give to the development team ( and the work they have done) since Roos has come to the club.

My feeling has been that in the past we have taken draft picks and said "sink or swim" whereas the Roos era has been about further education.

 

Unlike some, including debates I've had with my Brother, I really do think we let down some previous draft picks with poor development.  I suspect most were just bad selections, but development and a club's culture is ultra-important.

I still believe that you can't make chicken salad out of chicken ***, but there's always that balance.

[jnrmac 20,183]

Dodoro is a dingbat.

Want's the world for everybody. Is hopeless at trading. Hibberd will walk. Connors & Taylor will make it happen,

[poita 3,902]

A four year deal on good money for a 27 year old with less than 100 games of experience and who hasn't played for twelve months? No thanks, unless he comes for free.

What exactly he is going to bring that we can't get from Salem and others? We should save ourselves the hassle of dealing with Essendon and move on. Draft a good kid with the pick.