him and mitchel to hakwes lol how is that possible

 

4 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Why, how many times have you seen him play in the last 2 years?  Being a top draft pick doesn't necessarily equate to being an instant star, we as a club should know that

Don't lecture me on football, it's not your area.

2 minutes ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Don't lecture me on football, it's not your area.

I wasn't lecturing you precious, I asked you a question, it is all a mute point now anyway with Hawthorn being the club of choice, footy not my area mmmm strange or an attempt at humour?

Edited September 13, 20168 yr by Satyriconhome

On 8/18/2016 at 3:37 PM, A F said:

But what I like about all this O'Meara hype is that some desperate and idiotic club will pay way overs for him, the Suns' midfield will be weakened, another opposition club will bloat their salary cap and enable us to go after the players that we need to fill the final few holes. And most likely, O'Meara will never be able to string together a full season at AFL level.

 

On 8/18/2016 at 4:13 PM, A F said:

I actually think he'll end up at Hawthorn. They can afford to take that risk. They almost have to take that risk, given their aging stars.

 

On 8/18/2016 at 4:18 PM, Fifty-5 said:

Agree but I'm not sure where they'll get the picks from.  Freo aren't going to give them pick 3 for Hill.

Maybe this year's 1st and next year's 1st but they won't be < pick 10.

It turns out the desperate club might be Hawthorn. That cliff edge is coming up. 

What were we saying, Fifty-5?  Still don't know what they'll trade, but they'll get the deal done if they want him enough.

58 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

gee that is a big call rjay, seem to remember somebody saying the same thing about Geelong

Yep, but a new era can kick back in pretty quickly if the punt pays off.

Geelong where at the end of an era...Scarlett, Ling, Corey, Johnson, Mooney etc.

Their punts were the likes of Stanley & Smith. Danger wasn't a punt, brought in an A grader.

The Hawks may get lucky, Vickery turns the corner & O'Meara drops back into pre injury form and becomes an A grader.

or they may have left their run too late.

 

...by the way O'Rourke was another that's been a fail to date.

59 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

The AFL stopped Sydney using the allowance to inflate their salary cap.

Tony.. Frawley was never in Sydney calculations. It was always out of Geelong (join his best friend Rivers) and the Hawks. He had meetings with Freo but he had his heart set on being in Victoria.

1 hour ago, rjay said:

Yep, but a new era can kick back in pretty quickly if the punt pays off.

Geelong where at the end of an era...Scarlett, Ling, Corey, Johnson, Mooney etc.

Their punts were the likes of Stanley & Smith. Danger wasn't a punt, brought in an A grader.

The Hawks may get lucky, Vickery turns the corner & O'Meara drops back into pre injury form and becomes an A grader.

or they may have left their run too late.

 

...by the way O'Rourke was another that's been a fail to date.

Think that is why they have been so successful lately, using their academy at Box Hill to develop players properly, there is never any rush with them, O'Rourke is one for the future methinks

Edited September 13, 20168 yr by Satyriconhome

5 hours ago, SaberFang said:

Don't forget that, with Hawthorn's age profile, most of their older players cost them nothing in the salary cap. Like Geelong, they take advantage of the Veterans allowance, which allows a huge chunk of their wages to fall outside the salary cap. That means Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis, etc. cost them very little.

And as for them "falling off a cliff," unfortunately Geelong showed this year that you can prolong the inevitable by topping up with a few handy midfielders.

O'Meara is just as good as Dangerfield when fit, and far younger.

Did the Vets allowance go? All just "one" cap? 

The AFL site has an article on how they might pay for Mitchell, O'Meara and Vickery It includes the following comment:

"With Bradley Hill likely to depart for Fremantle and veterans Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell, Shaun Burgoyne and Josh Gibson taking pay cuts to play on in 2017, the Hawks are understood to have the salary cap space to accommodate O'Meara, Mitchell and Vickery."

Mmmmm is what I say. They must be big pay cuts and Hill must be on real money to free up around the 1.2 to 1.5 million a year you would need for those three players.

Link to full article here:    http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-13/hawks-reach-for-stars-but-at-what-price

I think the Hawks are rolling the dice.  Mitchell is/will be a good player. Jaeger could be a star, may be finished already. Tyrone is a solid player but he isn't nor will he ever be Roughy. 

They already look slow IMO.  Lewis, Hodge, Sam Mitchell, are going around next year but we've seen with North how quickly things can change.

Like them or hate them these players are champions of the game and they won't be replaced by those currently on the list or those they are trying to pick up this year.  

I think the doggies will roll them this week. If not I can't see them beating GWS who I think the Hawks fear.

 

And of course the Hawks are now being linked to MacKenzie of the Eagles.

Not sure how all of this will play out for the Hawks, they had zero players named in the 22 best players under 22 (we had three).

Edited September 13, 20168 yr by Ethan Tremblay

7 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Not sure how all of this will play out for the Hawks, they had zero players named in the 22 best players under 22 (we had three).

I think they're doing ok Ethan...

 

5 minutes ago, stuie said:

I think they're doing ok Ethan...

 

I wasn't referring to now. 

1 minute ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I wasn't referring to now. 

They'll probably be alright next year too after O'Meara, Mitchell and Vickery all head over...

 

I will preface this by saying that YES I didn't want O'Meara but this whole business of 'nominating' destination clubs must be of serious concern to the head honchos at AFL house. Hawthorn will have to trade for him, sure, but it will be at a discounted rate. Only two clubs in recent history have tried the "[censored] you" attitude that Gold Coast are bluffing about presently. 1. Was St. Kilda with Luke Ball and 2. GWS with McCarthy. Both sides it backfired and would do things differently if they had their time again. 

People will say Hawthorn are on the way down but weren't we saying the same about Geelong last year? Nek minnit, they signed a raft of good players who 'nominated' them for next to nothing and here they are again the top of the ladder. I predict the same will happen to Hawthorn.

6 minutes ago, Sylvia Saint said:

I will preface this by saying that YES I didn't want O'Meara but this whole business of 'nominating' destination clubs must be of serious concern to the head honchos at AFL house. Hawthorn will have to trade for him, sure, but it will be at a discounted rate. Only two clubs in recent history have tried the "[censored] you" attitude that Gold Coast are bluffing about presently. 1. Was St. Kilda with Luke Ball and 2. GWS with McCarthy. Both sides it backfired and would do things differently if they had their time again. 

People will say Hawthorn are on the way down but weren't we saying the same about Geelong last year? Nek minnit, they signed a raft of good players who 'nominated' them for next to nothing and here they are again the top of the ladder. I predict the same will happen to Hawthorn.

The AFL could do something about it. They must sign off on all trades as being fair and reasonable for both clubs. Not going to happen, but they could just say no to the Hawks.

11 minutes ago, Sylvia Saint said:

I will preface this by saying that YES I didn't want O'Meara but this whole business of 'nominating' destination clubs must be of serious concern to the head honchos at AFL house. Hawthorn will have to trade for him, sure, but it will be at a discounted rate. Only two clubs in recent history have tried the "[censored] you" attitude that Gold Coast are bluffing about presently. 1. Was St. Kilda with Luke Ball and 2. GWS with McCarthy. Both sides it backfired and would do things differently if they had their time again. 

People will say Hawthorn are on the way down but weren't we saying the same about Geelong last year? Nek minnit, they signed a raft of good players who 'nominated' them for next to nothing and here they are again the top of the ladder. I predict the same will happen to Hawthorn.

The wife basher Stevenson from port as well went into the draft. 2000ish

12 hours ago, Sylvia Saint said:

I will preface this by saying that YES I didn't want O'Meara but this whole business of 'nominating' destination clubs must be of serious concern to the head honchos at AFL house. Hawthorn will have to trade for him, sure, but it will be at a discounted rate. Only two clubs in recent history have tried the "[censored] you" attitude that Gold Coast are bluffing about presently. 1. Was St. Kilda with Luke Ball and 2. GWS with McCarthy. Both sides it backfired and would do things differently if they had their time again. 

People will say Hawthorn are on the way down but weren't we saying the same about Geelong last year? Nek minnit, they signed a raft of good players who 'nominated' them for next to nothing and here they are again the top of the ladder. I predict the same will happen to Hawthorn.

Geelong are also about to fall off a cliff. Dangerfield, Selwood and then who's their next A grader? Exactly. They don't have one. Not enough talent there to win a flag.

Edited September 14, 20168 yr by A F

42 minutes ago, Sylvia Saint said:

I will preface this by saying that YES I didn't want O'Meara but this whole business of 'nominating' destination clubs must be of serious concern to the head honchos at AFL house. Hawthorn will have to trade for him, sure, but it will be at a discounted rate. Only two clubs in recent history have tried the "[censored] you" attitude that Gold Coast are bluffing about presently. 1. Was St. Kilda with Luke Ball and 2. GWS with McCarthy. Both sides it backfired and would do things differently if they had their time again. 

People will say Hawthorn are on the way down but weren't we saying the same about Geelong last year? Nek minnit, they signed a raft of good players who 'nominated' them for next to nothing and here they are again the top of the ladder. I predict the same will happen to Hawthorn.

I'm going to play devils advocate on this one. McCarthy should have thought what signing a contract means before agreeing to stay with the club for another 3 years.

GWS have enough 1st round picks on their list and high picks to go the draft with every year so there was no real need to force a trade for the sake of getting a early pick for a talented youngster. Basically they've kept a talented player who was out the door from playing against them for an entire season, and they can do it again for another year if they wish, they probably wont though.

But if they did, a talented kid, 2 years out of the system and unable to even play in seconds league unless he went back to Sydney, that would be pretty hard to come back from. McCarthy on their list benefits them at the moment regardless of if he's playing for them or if he's sitting on his couch in WA.

Edited September 13, 20168 yr by boydie

14 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

I wasn't lecturing you precious, I asked you a question, it is all a mute point now anyway with Hawthorn being the club of choice, footy not my area mmmm strange or an attempt at humour?

Your question was about high draft pick something star something.  I didn't really read it. 

10 hours ago, A F said:

Geelong are also about to fall off a cliff. Dangerfield, Selwood and then who's their next A grader? Exactly. They don't have one. Not enough talent their to win a flag.

There not their.

Mick Malthouse on SEN this morning was ropeable about this situation, and doesn't have too many kind words to say about the players association.

 

1 hour ago, Skin D said:

There not their.

Indeed....

1 hour ago, Skin D said:

There not their.

Where?