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  On 29/07/2016 at 00:48, jnrmac said:

So how did training go?

They didn't have it. They figured they'd just rock up game day and everything would work out...

 

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    I have a different slant on training

    Every AFL player should be able to  kick and handball

    Training to me is teaching where and when to run, when to handball, how to run both ways, playing your role at stoppagez etc etc   if the players want to practice goal kicking at the end or on their own time   good  it will make little difference on game day tired or under pressure

    Guitarists    there are only 3 

    Rory Gallagher

    Eddie Hazel

    Frank Zappa

    Slash is a cliche

    As for bending like Beckham  I am one of the lucky ones who was/is naturally adept at ball sports, not brilliant but can play most to decent level

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      On 29/07/2016 at 01:57, Satyriconhome said:

    I have a different slant on training

    Every AFL player should be able to  kick and handball

    Training to me is teaching where and when to run, when to handball, how to run both ways, playing your role at stoppagez etc etc   if the players want to practice goal kicking at the end or on their own time   good  it will make little difference on game day tired or under pressure

    Guitarists    there are only 3 

    Rory Gallagher

    Eddie Hazel

    Frank Zappa

    Slash is a cliche

    As for bending like Beckham  I am one of the lucky ones who was/is naturally adept at ball sports, not brilliant but can play most to decent level

    Hang on Saty.

    Jeff Beck? Eric Clapton? Hendrix? Page? Berry?

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      On 29/07/2016 at 01:57, Satyriconhome said:

    I have a different slant on training

    Every AFL player should be able to  kick and handball

    Training to me is teaching where and when to run, when to handball, how to run both ways, playing your role at stoppagez etc etc   if the players want to practice goal kicking at the end or on their own time   good  it will make little difference on game day tired or under pressure

    So basically "practising" where to run, when to handball, running both ways, player roles...

    Got it.

     

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      On 29/07/2016 at 02:02, Django said:

    Hang on Saty.

    Jeff Beck? Eric Clapton? Hendrix? Page? Berry?

    Nah sorry chap lucky enough to see them all live including Hendrix

    Beck   technically brilliant but cold for me

    Clapton   take him from the blues and he is lost

    Hendrix   Hazel took hold and took it further  would have him 4th though

    Page  have riff will travel  would like to here something original

    Berry   same notes different order

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      On 28/07/2016 at 23:10, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    Unless you're American, in which case it's reversed.

    Of course, you could practise your spelling as much as you want, but try spelling under real match day pressure...

     

    I'm not sure that is the case LDC. My understanding is that the Septics use "practice" for all situations.

     

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      On 29/07/2016 at 02:40, Bitter but optimistic said:

    I'm not sure that is the case LDC. My understanding is that the Septics use "practice" for all situations.

     

    knowing what a tongue virtuoso you are, uncle, i'll take your word for that 

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      On 29/07/2016 at 01:57, Satyriconhome said:

    I have a different slant on training

    Every AFL player should be able to  kick and handball

    Training to me is teaching where and when to run, when to handball, how to run both ways, playing your role at stoppagez etc etc   if the players want to practice goal kicking at the end or on their own time   good  it will make little difference on game day tired or under pressure

    So in essence the skills they bring when they are 18 are as good as their skills will ever get and there is no point continuing to practice as you will not get better?

    I am really glad you are not coaching this side Saty as we would be wiped off the park every single week. 

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      On 29/07/2016 at 03:25, daisycutter said:

    knowing what a tongue virtuoso you are, uncle, i'll take your word for that 

    BBO has a reputation of being a cunning linguist dc.

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    Was going to ask how Oscar went at training, but don't want to derail the thread..

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      On 29/07/2016 at 04:02, Chris said:

    So in essence the skills they bring when they are 18 are as good as their skills will ever get and there is no point continuing to practice as you will not get better?

    I am really glad you are not coaching this side Saty as we would be wiped off the park every single week. 

    I have a nephew who could bang in goals from anywhere in the 50 when he was 14 when training   my point about goal kicking

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      On 29/07/2016 at 06:46, Satyriconhome said:

    I have a nephew who could bang in goals from anywhere in the 50 when he was 14 when training   my point about goal kicking

    So do I. Bit more pressure on his shots these days though & he does kick the occasional point.

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      On 29/07/2016 at 06:46, Satyriconhome said:

    I have a nephew who could bang in goals from anywhere in the 50 when he was 14 when training   my point about goal kicking

    You miss the point and what is needed to perform at the top level completly though so there is no point in pointing it out again. 

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      On 28/07/2016 at 09:43, hardtack said:

    Both essentially the lead guitarists. In some ways, a good rhythm player is harder to find than a lead guitarist (maybe too many guitarists have the desire to be the centre of attention?); check out some of the stuff Keith has done outside the Stones... for example, "Wicked As It Seems"; brilliant!

    Derek Trucks is a modern guitar genius

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      On 29/07/2016 at 08:39, Chris said:

    You miss the point and what is needed to perform at the top level completly though so there is no point in pointing it out again. 

    I think I got your point, we just have differing opinions on practicing goalkicking

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      On 29/07/2016 at 09:02, Satyriconhome said:

    I think I got your point, we just have differing opinions on practicing goalkicking

    It is actually differing opinions on how to perform at an elite level and what that takes. 

    Just glad you aren't the coach. 

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      On 29/07/2016 at 08:58, chook fowler said:

    Derek Trucks is a modern guitar genius

    Like with footballers the term genius is thrown around a bit too much with guitar players and musicians in general.

    Trucks is a lovely, tasty player but a genius I think not.

    Most players are highly derivative of what came before. So who really stepped up and changed the way people play and view the instrument.

    Jaco probably did it on bass...

    Dylan & Joni the way they approached a lyric...

    Some say Hendrix, but his roots were in Albert King and the R&B players Cornell Dupree and Curtis Mayfield...well maybe he just played it louder and with a bit more flair.

    Armstrong was probably the most important musician of the 20th century, big call I know.

    The Beatles probably influenced more kids to pick up a guitar than anyone, do we use the word genius? don't know and I'm rambling a bit 'chook'...cheers

     

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      On 29/07/2016 at 02:14, Satyriconhome said:

    Nah sorry chap lucky enough to see them all live including Hendrix

    Beck   technically brilliant but cold for me

    Clapton   take him from the blues and he is lost

    Hendrix   Hazel took hold and took it further  would have him 4th though

    Page  have riff will travel  would like to here something original

    Berry   same notes different order

    Needs another thread, but selling Page very, very short. Was an amazing soloist, writer and arranger, and there's a real depth to his work across a variety of styles and techniques. For his example, his acoustic work, his work with alternative tunings etc. etc. I was never a real fan when I was younger, but as I've got older and started to look past the riffs, and have become a convert.

    Also, feel like you're selling Clapton short. Yeah, primarily a blues guitarist, but his touch, imagination and the beauty of his lines and his understatement surpass limitations of style, and how can you ignore songs like Layla, White Room or of course, While My Guitar?

    Envy you seeing them! I've seen Page/Zeppelin live, back in the day, and Chuck Berry tried to chat up my wife (before she was my wife) when he met her backstage: does that count?

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      On 29/07/2016 at 09:30, bing181 said:

    Needs another thread, but selling Page very, very short. Was an amazing soloist, writer and arranger, and there's a real depth to his work across a variety of styles and techniques. For his example, his acoustic work, his work with alternative tunings etc. etc. I was never a real fan when I was younger, but as I've got older and started to look past the riffs, and have become a convert.

    Also, feel like you're selling Clapton short. Yeah, primarily a blues guitarist, but his touch, imagination and the beauty of his lines and his understatement surpass limitations of style, and how can you ignore songs like Layla, White Room or of course, While My Guitar?

    Envy you seeing them! I've seen Page/Zeppelin live, back in the day, and Chuck Berry tried to chat up my wife (before she was my wife) when he met her backstage: does that count?

    Listen to a guitarist called Mike Bloomfield and you will see where Page gets his ideas   apart from stealing of old blues players that is   Bloomfield I would put 5th and the Randy California

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      On 29/07/2016 at 09:30, bing181 said:

    Needs another thread, but selling Page very, very short. Was an amazing soloist, writer and arranger, and there's a real depth to his work across a variety of styles and techniques. For his example, his acoustic work, his work with alternative tunings etc. etc. I was never a real fan when I was younger, but as I've got older and started to look past the riffs, and have become a convert.

    Also, feel like you're selling Clapton short. Yeah, primarily a blues guitarist, but his touch, imagination and the beauty of his lines and his understatement surpass limitations of style, and how can you ignore songs like Layla, White Room or of course, While My Guitar?

    Envy you seeing them! I've seen Page/Zeppelin live, back in the day, and Chuck Berry tried to chat up my wife (before she was my wife) when he met her backstage: does that count?

    OK I have little knowledge in this area but some interest so firstly where do people rate Carlos Santana in the pantheon on guitarists? 

    And after attending another extraordinary 3 hour performance by The Cure last night I wonder where Robert Smith lines up? He describes himself as a guitarist with limited technique "but at least I don't sound like anyone else"! Which begs the question how do you judge great musicians, on technical ability or their unique sound? 

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      On 29/07/2016 at 10:22, Satyriconhome said:

    Listen to a guitarist called Mike Bloomfield and you will see where Page gets his ideas   apart from stealing of old blues players that is   Bloomfield I would put 5th and the Randy California

    Page is the same vintage as Bloomfield so I doubt this is the case...all these boys got their licks from T Bone and the the Kings anyway..

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      On 29/07/2016 at 10:22, Satyriconhome said:

    Listen to a guitarist called Mike Bloomfield and you will see where Page gets his ideas   apart from stealing of old blues players that is   Bloomfield I would put 5th and the Randy California

    Actually Bloomfield and Page were playing at almost the same time and probably didn't know much about each other in the 60's...I'm a Bloomfield fan from his days with Paul Butterfield and later with Al Kooper.  The guitarists I admire the most are guys like Buddy Guy, Elmore James, Jerry Garcia, Peter Green and Albert Lee from a British band Heads Hands and Feet.  Also Roy Buchanan was no slouch.

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    Interesting thread this. It's my first post so let me make 3 observations :

    1 practice vs practise. Practice = 'ice' = noun. The second one is the verb.

    2 Ross Hannaford comes high on the list of great guitarists

    3 Look, if they miss a shot from 30-40 metres out they should have their salary docked. 

    Hell's Bells, these guys are professionals!

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