On 28/07/2016 at 04:55, beelzebub said:

Im sorry Saty , you continually pick exceptions to the norms .  Just about EVERY professional sport I can think of PRACTICES and will do so for not only overall games ability but specifc elements. 

Great golfers practice every element of their games...Driving. short game...putting.. hours in bunkers etc. Tennis players .. 1000's of serves.  Cricket..batting to particular actions etc.

Ya reckon Beckam just woke up one day and bent it ??

I can bend the ball as well, you just have to hit it in a certain spot each time   I agree you can practice all you want, doesn't mean on game day, of any sport you will be perfect, most of that is between the ears   why we have seen great champions fold under pressure or have a bad day   like we had last weekend   doesn't mean the players haven't been practicing goal kicking since day one of pre season

 

  On 28/07/2016 at 05:10, Satyriconhome said:

I can bend the ball as well, you just have to hit it in a certain spot each time  

 

and just how do you reckon you get good at that ? 

  On 28/07/2016 at 02:55, binman said:

Exactly. As some have noted golf is the perfect example of the need for repitition and hours and hours of practice drills, relying as it does so fundamentally on technique.

Neitz and Robbo were both rordinary kicks early in their careers but worked hard to change their style. They became very reliable kicks. It can be done

  On 28/07/2016 at 04:55, beelzebub said:

Im sorry Saty , you continually pick exceptions to the norms .  Just about EVERY professional sport I can think of PRACTICES and will do so for not only overall games ability but specifc elements. 

Great golfers practice every element of their games...Driving. short game...putting.. hours in bunkers etc. Tennis players .. 1000's of serves.  Cricket..batting to particular actions etc.

Ya reckon Beckam just woke up one day and bent it ??

And the key reason for all this practice is so under the greatest pressure, the heat of the moment the drive splits the middle, the serve saves the break, the black gets potted, the hurdle gets cleared and the winning goal gets kicked. 

Of coures mental strength is critical and match practice us an important element but the champions in any sport can rely on their technique to stand up under pressure.

Conversely even small technical issues will be exposed under tge greatest pressure. A great example of this is the 97 masters. Greg norman, a champion by any measure always had a technical flaw of occasionsly blocking his drive. This flaw was exposed under the heat of that ane is why he lost

  On 28/07/2016 at 03:06, iv'a worn smith said:

C'mon Bub.  Your total goals should be etched indelibly in your memory and preserved for posterity's sake.  I know how many I kicked in my career = 5

Then again, I was a half back flanker - and that's not meant to be rhyming slang -  in the days when you stayed in your position

more than 5... tttt   I wouldnt know how many I kicked over all.

ah yes....staying in position.  I remember one particular game...stood very cold and lonely in the square.  We were getting done that day...the FB  joined in the merry fray but I was told to stray no further  than 10-15 m beyond the square., just wait for the bomb !!. Spent more than half the game leaning against the goalpost chatting with the goal umpire,,,he was just as bored... 1.1 return for the day as I recall. I think we only kicked 3.7 for the game.  5 of them points rushed.  We had a different coach the next season  

  On 28/07/2016 at 04:48, Satyriconhome said:

Keith Richard would be interested in that, hardly practices.

Back to the  kicking, every player who comes onto a list should know the basics   it is executing them at AFL level in a game that is the issue   no amount of practice will change that   why players get delisted

Wouldn't practices and mastering the skills be paramount in being able to execute at AFL level? Wouldn't also the coaches at AFL level have specific ways of doing things that make those requisite skills elite and not just junior level? Wouldn't the step up a grade also require you to increase your skills to match, which again requires practice?

On Keith Richards, I am more than certain he would have practiced quite a lot in the earlier years but once you have done the same thing for 40 years you should have the routine down to the point you do it automatically. That doesn't come over night. 

You argument is just plain wrong and flies in the face of the actions of every elite sports person on the planet.

Some interesting stats on where the MFC performs well (and not)...

http://www.fantasyfootballnuts.org/afl-2016-the-numbers-so-far-how-does-your-team-rank/

  On 28/07/2016 at 05:10, Satyriconhome said:

I can bend the ball as well, you just have to hit it in a certain spot each time   I agree you can practice all you want, doesn't mean on game day, of any sport you will be perfect, most of that is between the ears   why we have seen great champions fold under pressure or have a bad day   like we had last weekend   doesn't mean the players haven't been practicing goal kicking since day one of pre season

 

As the old axiom goes, you play as you train.  Simple.  Based on your logic, we don't need skills coaches, we only need shrinks

  On 28/07/2016 at 05:10, Satyriconhome said:

I agree you can practice all you want, doesn't mean on game day, of any sport you will be perfect,

Yes, but there is a greater probability that you will kick the goal if you have practised more.

  On 28/07/2016 at 03:06, iv'a worn smith said:

C'mon Bub.  Your total goals should be etched indelibly in your memory and preserved for posterity's sake.  I know how many I kicked in my career = 5

Then again, I was a half back flanker - and that's not meant to be rhyming slang -  in the days when you stayed in your position

I kicked 5 from the hbf vs bayswater in the u18s. Kicked 5.4 for the game. 4 points came when I was playing ruck rover. 

  On 28/07/2016 at 04:48, Satyriconhome said:

Keith Richard would be interested in that, hardly practices.

And it shows.  Great composer, ordinary player.

  On 28/07/2016 at 04:48, Satyriconhome said:

Keith Richard would be interested in that, hardly practices.

 

Oi!  I didn't get this good by accident, sunshine.

  On 28/07/2016 at 05:18, jnrmac said:

Neitz and Robbo were both rordinary kicks early in their careers but worked hard to change their style. They became very reliable kicks. It can be done

Yes, but Neitz was notorious for having a bad day out if his first shot on goal was off target.  

  On 28/07/2016 at 06:16, Fifty-5 said:

And it shows.  Great composer, ordinary player.

Heresy!!!!

  On 27/07/2016 at 21:33, Brownie said:

that's like being a guitarist and only playing the guitar once a week when you're on stage in front of a big crowd. 

yes it's different for sure on match day. but you play that instrument every day until you don't even have to think about it.

there's a great saying I heard from a jazz musician once.

don't practice for a day.. you'll know it.

don't practice for two days.. the band knows it

don't practice for three days.. the whole world knows it.

I reckon sport is no different. preparation is everything.

 

  On 28/07/2016 at 04:48, Satyriconhome said:

Keith Richard would be interested in that, hardly practices.

Back to the  kicking, every player who comes onto a list should know the basics   it is executing them at AFL level in a game that is the issue   no amount of practice will change that   why players get delisted

With Hands like these do you blame him...good old Arthur Ritis has got him.

  On 28/07/2016 at 06:41, hardtack said:

Heresy!!!!

There's Hendrix.  Then it comes down to personal taste e.g. Page, Clapton, Prince.  Then some other long group like Jeff Beck, Slash, Van Halen, too many to mention.  The only Stones player anywhere near this 3rd group is Mick Taylor. 

Keith Richard is a genius composer and the Stones catalogue is unsurpassed, but he's an odinary guitarist.  He's never even been the best player in the Stones.

  On 28/07/2016 at 06:54, Fifty-5 said:

There's Hendrix.  Then it comes down to personal taste e.g. Page, Clapton, Prince.  Then some other long group like Jeff Beck, Slash, Van Halen, too many to mention.  The only Stones player anywhere near this 3rd group is Mick Taylor. 

Keith Richard is a genius composer and the Stones catalogue is unsurpassed, but he's an odinary guitarist.  He's never even been the best player in the Stones.

Might put Beck a bit higher than that...Clapton's been a plodder for a while, might have to go back to Casey to find form but probably delisted at the end of the season.

Prince is 2 to 4  according to Misson, but don't trust him. Richard is fronting CAS, reckons Jagger made him do it, didn't know what he took, thought it was all good not the good stuff.

Better be careful or we might get into one of those Elite/ Champion/ A grade discussions

  On 28/07/2016 at 07:06, rjay said:

Might put Beck a bit higher than that...Clapton's been a plodder for a while, might have to go back to Casey to find form but probably delisted at the end of the season.

Prince is 2 to 4  according to Misson, but don't trust him. Richard is fronting CAS, reckons Jagger made him do it, didn't know what he took, thought it was all good not the good stuff.

Better be careful or we might get into one of those Elite/ Champion/ A grade discussions

too late 

  On 28/07/2016 at 06:14, Gorgoroth said:

I kicked 5 from the hbf vs bayswater in the u18s. Kicked 5.4 for the game. 4 points came when I was playing ruck rover. 

RDB No 31

  On 28/07/2016 at 04:55, beelzebub said:

Im sorry Saty , you continually pick exceptions to the norms .  Just about EVERY professional sport I can think of PRACTICES and will do so for not only overall games ability but specifc elements. 

Great golfers practice every element of their games...Driving. short game...putting.. hours in bunkers etc. Tennis players .. 1000's of serves.  Cricket..batting to particular actions etc.

Ya reckon Beckam just woke up one day and bent it ??

BBO maybe ...

Keith is an ordinary guitarist the way that Bradman was an ordinary batsman, Rembrandt an ordinary painter and Ali an ordinary boxer.

  On 28/07/2016 at 07:12, demonstone said:

Keith is an ordinary guitarist the way that Bradman was an ordinary batsman, Rembrandt an ordinary painter and Ali an ordinary boxer.

You are bigging him up there. He's good but not that good.

  On 28/07/2016 at 06:54, Fifty-5 said:

There's Hendrix.  Then it comes down to personal taste e.g. Page, Clapton, Prince.  Then some other long group like Jeff Beck, Slash, Van Halen, too many to mention.  The only Stones player anywhere near this 3rd group is Mick Taylor. 

Keith Richard is a genius composer and the Stones catalogue is unsurpassed, but he's an odinary guitarist.  He's never even been the best player in the Stones.

Keith was/is a rhythm guitarist and never pretended to be anything but that...but there are few better at that underrated art. As far as guitarists go though, I would agree on Hendrix, but I rate Peter Green ahead of Clapton and I rate Fripp as one of the greatest innovators...then there's Zappa who was on a whole different level to all of them.

  On 28/07/2016 at 07:21, hardtack said:

Keith was/is a rhythm guitarist and never pretended to be anything but that...but there are few better at that underrated art. As far as guitarists go though, I would agree on Hendrix, but I rate Peter Green ahead of Clapton and I rate Fripp as one of the greatest innovators...then there's Zappa who was on a whole different level to all of them.

Ronnie Wood and his predecessor Mick Taylor?  Ry Cooder is a pretty mean picker.  And for what it is worth Rolling Stone Magazine rated Richards at number 4 in the top 100 guitarists.  Not bad for a bloke who doesn't practise.

i'd rate bbo right up there with the best air guitarists