Dumbest players and coaches in the AFL?

[Biffen 12,947]

On 24 July 2016 at 9:28 AM, Gorgoroth said:

It's not "the kick it" people. Its the peoples front of "kick the ball instead of over using it and causing the forwards to be out of position or turn it over with over use."

 

Of course there is times to run and handball. But we over do it time and time again. 

Running out of a centre clearance with no one near tgey will still look to handball to each other. The Hawks and other good teams get it ling to tgeir forwards in a one on one.

I bet Hogan would prefer it. 

It will pay off .

We look a bit handball crazy atm but it bring players into middle.

If you control the centre you control the game.

Like Chess.

[The Reverend 1,736]

I am a about one more negative thread away from closing my subscription to Demonland. I am being worn down by the constant negativity and pessimism. I'm going to take a little holiday for a week or two.

Cheers to those who continue to fly the optimism flag. The rest need to lighten up and see things for what they are. 

The sky is not falling. We are getting better. We will be good next year and very good in 2018. Maybe I'll come back then.

See ya...

[djr 1,597]

The gameplan got us within a kick of winning against last years grand finalist at a ground that we haven't won at in a decade and against a team that has beaten us over there on average by 10 goals over the same period. Imagine when this very young side gets another 25 games under their belt with the same gameplan and a couple new experienced imports, it will be exciting. Some guys here need to chill out.

[Gorgoroth 13,017]

10 hours ago, The Reverend said:

I am a about one more negative thread away from closing my subscription to Demonland. I am being worn down by the constant negativity and pessimism. I'm going to take a little holiday for a week or two.

Cheers to those who continue to fly the optimism flag. The rest need to lighten up and see things for what they are. 

The sky is not falling. We are getting better. We will be good next year and very good in 2018. Maybe I'll come back then.

See ya...

I am seeing them for what they are.  Either a bad decision that I noticed very early in the year or a game plan where when on the quick centre break we are more likely to handball it twice rather than give our forwards a quick entry.

Where we woukd rather handball to a teamate one meter away instead of a better option.

Its not doom and gloom. Far from it. Just a criticism that in my eyes is warranted.  

So many on here get so defensive when you have an opinion. 

Anyway enjoy your holiday, may it be full of peace, love and mung beans. 

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2 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

I am seeing them for what they are.  Either a bad decision that I noticed very early in the year or a game plan where when on the quick centre break we are more likely to handball it twice rather than give our forwards a quick entry.

Where we woukd rather handball to a teamate one meter away instead of a better option.

Its not doom and gloom. Far from it. Just a criticism that in my eyes is warranted.  

So many on here get so defensive when you have an opinion. 

Anyway enjoy your holiday, may it be full of peace, love and mung beans. 

I think we will cough it up now and then, but we also get a lot of scoring opportunities on the back of creative handball.  Personally I see clearing the congestion by standing up in tackles and working out a path with handball is one of our new found strengths.  We will continue to get better at it.

It's a bit like Tom McDonald's turnovers.  Some only see the glaring mistakes and forget about the previous five rebounds where he has taken a defensive mark, run hard and hit a target on the half backline to create a i50 opportunity.

To produce wins we need to take risks and we will make mistakes, as we develop we will get better at the execution.

If we don't take risks we will go nowhere, no team will fear us and we will be dictated to.

[Gorgoroth 13,017]

The perfect example was viney a few weeks ago. Got the tap from a centre square broke clear. Did he kick it to tge forwards... no, he handballed it to Jones who was running behind him and under more pressure. There was no one in front of him, im tipping the forwards would have loved a quick kick to them. 

This has occured all year and we would be a better team if we did not do this as much as we do. 

Around the ground we handball so much we actually get ourselves into worse positions. Handballing is great if it gets you out of trouble. We use to to transfer the trouble to some one else. 

[jackaub 1,402]

Jones continually calls for the ball and players just seem to give it to him without thinking

Its a flaw that he learned when playing a lone hand in the midfield. He has quality around him now. he is the one that starts most daisy chain handballs and ducking around calling for the ball back

Its dumb football and he needs to get it out of his game

[monoccular 17,573]

On 24 July 2016 at 9:33 AM, leucopogon said:

Hogan doesn't know where or when to run, that is when he actually can be bothered moving from his patented spot next to the behind post. He reads the play coming in almost as badly as some of the Year 3 juniors I coach.

How many times does he get possessions in the midfield or HB?  Haven't you noticed.

But, yes, he should be coached a bit about leading patterns etc.  Where is Ox, Neita?

[Akum 2,660]

4 hours ago, Stretch Johnson said:

I think we will cough it up now and then, but we also get a lot of scoring opportunities on the back of creative handball.  Personally I see clearing the congestion by standing up in tackles and working out a path with handball is one of our new found strengths.  We will continue to get better at it.

It's a bit like Tom McDonald's turnovers.  Some only see the glaring mistakes and forget about the previous five rebounds where he has taken a defensive mark, run hard and hit a target on the half backline to create a i50 opportunity.

To produce wins we need to take risks and we will make mistakes, as we develop we will get better at the execution.

If we don't take risks we will go nowhere, no team will fear us and we will be dictated to.

Thought the Scorps' tactics on the weekend were a really good illustration of this. They simply tried to keep the ball moving, even when Sandy pulled just about their whole side into their d50. They just kept trying to change the angle of attack and draw opponents out with handballs & short kicks until a space opened up. Sure, there were turnovers where Sandy took it the length of the ground & scored. But in the main, the Scorps were able to put on relentless pressure, esp in the last qtr, just by keeping the ball moving from one player to the next.

Obviously both teams were replicating the styles of their respective AFL teams. Against the Saints, of course, the Dees repeatedly fell down with their last disposal into the f50, which the Saints picked off with ease and moved it fast and often uncontested around the flanks. But the Scorps were able to keep the ball in their forward half for long periods, even against a strong wind, because they were much better at just keeping up these short possessions and avoiding the temptation to bomb it in.

To get it right, a number of things have to happen at the same time. For example, we have a mark on HBF. It takes one player to run past, another to block his opponent who's trying to impede him, then someone else to run to receive the give-and-get handball, then the forwards to run toward the ball while Hogan leads into the space behind them and Garlett doubles back to get any crumbs. This relatively simple movement requires about a third of the side to get to the right places and do the right things within a few seconds of each other. If any one of them is a bit off, then the runner is impeded, or there's no-one there for the give-and-get and the kick has to be a long 50-60m bomb rather than a more precise 30-40m pass, or the forwards don't create space and Hogan has nowhere to lead into. If 7 out of 8 players get it right and one gets it wrong, the whole move is more likely to break down.

We're just falling down a bit at that level of co-ordination at the moment. It's one thing to practice these moves in preseason; it's another to try to execute them when there's another team out there hell-bent on getting you to stuff it up. It's the right way to go, we just need to be better at the co-ordination with each other under pressure.

[Gorgoroth 13,017]

Same ol' same ol