Hawks key forwards are Fitz & Shoenmakers, if Hogan leaves it's not the end of the world, it would have to be a good trade and I'm sure the club will do their best...

4 hours ago, Vineytime said:

Hawks key forwards are Fitz & Shoenmakers, if Hogan leaves it's not the end of the world, it would have to be a good trade and I'm sure the club will do their best...

And it's why they won't win a flag. Rougheadless. In big finals, you nedd a big guy that can take the pressure off occasionally, particularly if the last option is to bomb it long inside 50.

3 hours ago, A F said:

And it's why they won't win a flag. Rougheadless. In big finals, you nedd a big guy that can take the pressure off occasionally, particularly if the last option is to bomb it long inside 50.

Which is why Damian Barrett reckons it'll be the Hawks with their eye on Jesse...Sliding Doors

2 hours ago, 3183 Dee said:

Which is why Damian Barrett reckons it'll be the Hawks with their eye on Jesse...Sliding Doors

I think this is more alluding to the fact that the Hawks don't hold back when it comes to the trade period, so much so that they will chase after all the guns in the competition. If not, I would never watch AFL again if Hawthorn were to land Mitchell, O'Meara, Hogan and Fyfe in one year. 

Update: Jesse Hogan's old man's health has deteriorated. Naturally this is a difficult time for Jesse Hogan and as such contract negotiations have taken a backseat during this difficult, emotional time. 

However, Jesse has again confirmed to the club that he wishes to remain at Melbourne and sign a long term contract. 

The club has been contacted by Freo both club expect Hogan to stay a Dee as this is what he has been saying. However, if he was to change his mind over the death of his father Fyfe would be the trade.

But let me say again, the club extremely confident (99%) he is staying.

Also the club believes no player in the top 25 will request a trade this year. 

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There seems a kneejerk reaction when anyone discussing a players action or inaction becomes  labeled as bashing.

Nonsense. Many here are being robustly clinical and removing the lads character and/or motive from the equation and just evaluating the actions or inaction on their merit.

Jesse has a year on our paper left.

Jesse may or may not go 

It's not in the club's interest (probably) to see him go.

It's not in club's interest to have him play out 2017 and not signed beyond

Whatever is the impediment to signing on it must be discussed and the club needs to have that signature before trade week. It will be manifest folly to not do so.

This isn't about Jesse as a bloke it's about Jesse's value to the Club. Club cones first.

If folk cannot differentiate, that's then them and not the discussion.

Put's it all into perspective. All the attention around his contract and meanwhile he is dealing with this.

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

There seems a kneejerk reaction when anyone discussing a players action or inaction becomes  labeled as bashing.

Nonsense. Many here are being robustly clinical and removing the lads character and/or motive from the equation and just evaluating the actions or inaction on their merit.

Jesse has a year on our paper left.

Jesse may or may not go 

It's not in the club's interest (probably) to see him go.

It's not in club's interest to have him play out 2017 and not signed beyond

Whatever is the impediment to signing on it must be discussed and the club needs to have that signature before trade week. It will be manifest folly to not do so.

This isn't about Jesse as a bloke it's about Jesse's value to the Club. Club cones first.

If folk cannot differentiate, that's then them and not the discussion.

Unless there's a situation like the one layed out three posts above yours. Would explain a lot. 

5 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

There seems a kneejerk reaction when anyone discussing a players action or inaction becomes  labeled as bashing.

Nonsense. Many here are being robustly clinical and removing the lads character and/or motive from the equation and just evaluating the actions or inaction on their merit.

Jesse has a year on our paper left.

Jesse may or may not go 

It's not in the club's interest (probably) to see him go.

It's not in club's interest to have him play out 2017 and not signed beyond

Whatever is the impediment to signing on it must be discussed and the club needs to have that signature before trade week. It will be manifest folly to not do so.

This isn't about Jesse as a bloke it's about Jesse's value to the Club. Club cones first.

If folk cannot differentiate, that's then them and not the discussion.

So what you mean is there is a difference, we need to treat him as a footy player and not a human being?

1 minute ago, Jesse Christ said:

Unless there's a situation like the one layed out three posts above yours. Would explain a lot. 

Indeed. The impediment.

Tough time.

I posted about his father being very ill mid year and it got deleted straight away and i received a warning demerit point.

I expect the same to occur.

Having lost my father to a long painful illness I can understand how he feels. Very painful. But if GNF's info is reliable, then there are talks going on between the two clubs for what would arguably be the biggest trade of the century. 

Edited September 9, 20168 yr by america de cali

43 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

Update: Jesse Hogan's old man's health has deteriorated. Naturally this is a difficult time for Jesse Hogan and as such contract negotiations have taken a backseat during this difficult, emotional time. 

However, Jesse has again confirmed to the club that he wishes to remain at Melbourne and sign a long term contract. 

The club has been contacted by Freo both club expect Hogan to stay a Dee as this is what he has been saying. However, if he was to change his mind over the death of his father Fyfe would be the trade.

But let me say again, the club extremely confident (99%) he is staying.

Also the club believes no player in the top 25 will request a trade this year. 

This is obviously a very stressful and sad time for the family. Clearly his thoughts are with his family and not his footy at this time.

Wish them all well in a difficult time.

Can we now ask for those that want to knock Jesse, to just ease back and give him some space.

Maybe those that attack his body language, might have a better understanding of what he is going through.

29 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

So what you mean is there is a difference, we need to treat him as a footy player and not a human being?

mate you are an absolute [censored] arent you. You failed to take in the context and then revolve it to suit your view.

 

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

mate you are an absolute [censored] arent you. You failed to take in the context and then revolve it to suit your view.

 

I agree that the contract issue needs to be resolved, but you wrote and I'll quote this again

 

33 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

This isn't about Jesse as a bloke it's about Jesse's value to the Club. Club cones first.

If folk cannot differentiate, that's then them and not the discussion.

So therefore you are intimating that he should be treated as a commodity, not taking into account any personal circumstances? And he should make a decision for the sake of the club?

Try asking what I meant, without reverting to type and insulting

4 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I agree that the contract issue needs to be resolved, but you wrote and I'll quote this again

 

So therefore you are intimating that he should be treated as a commodity, not taking into account any personal circumstances? And he should make a decision for the sake of the club?

Try asking what I meant, without reverting to type and insulting

you cant differentiate can you

14 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

you cant differentiate can you

Then explain what you meant by your statement, it says club first, so I assume Jesse puts aside any issues now and makes the decision to suit the club, is that correct?

What if he is rushed into doing it, because of circumstances, and actually makes the wrong decision for himself and the club?

If what GOF posted is indeed correct, what everybody needs to do now is give him space, he is contracted for 2017, if we do the right thing by him and his family then he may feel that the MFC is the best place to be, not only a footy player but as a human being

It is like what Mark Stevens asked Roughy last night on the news, he asked him whether he was considering getting back to footy next season, when he is battling cancer, the last thing he wants to consider is a return to footy, thankfully Roughy let him live on live TV

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14 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Then explain what you meant by your statement, it says club first, so I assume Jesse puts aside any issues now and makes the decision to suit the club, is that correct?

What if he is rushed into doing it, because of circumstances, and actually makes the wrong decision for himself and the club?

If what GOF posted is indeed correct, what everybody needs to do now is give him space, he is contracted for 2017, if we do the right thing by him and his family then he may feel that the MFC is the best place to be, not only a footy player but as a human being

It is like what Mark Stevens asked Roughy last night on the news, he asked him whether he was considering getting back to footy next season, when he is battling cancer, the last thing he wants to consider is a return to footy, thankfully Roughy let him live on live TV

Did see that. Roughy's response was spot on.

1 minute ago, mo64 said:

I'm sure they'd offer you a lift to training.

And deprive myself of a scooting opportunity,  I wouldn't accept

Lost my father a few years ago as well, know exactly what Jesse is going through, that bastard cancer got him

2 hours ago, Grand New Flag said:

Update: Jesse Hogan's old man's health has deteriorated. Naturally this is a difficult time for Jesse Hogan and as such contract negotiations have taken a backseat during this difficult, emotional time. 

However, Jesse has again confirmed to the club that he wishes to remain at Melbourne and sign a long term contract. 

The club has been contacted by Freo both club expect Hogan to stay a Dee as this is what he has been saying. However, if he was to change his mind over the death of his father Fyfe would be the trade.

But let me say again, the club extremely confident (99%) he is staying.

Also the club believes no player in the top 25 will request a trade this year. 

 

Terribly specific result for a player who hasn't agreed a trade to MFC & wouldn't have even spoken to the club, considering Jesse has stated he wishes to stay.

There's definitely an element of truth to your post, but someone is adding a fair bit of mustard, whether it's you or a source blowing smoke up your arse.

 

And... his father may be ill, but he ain't dead yet.

However, if he was to change his mind over the death of his father Fyfe would be the trade.[/b]

 

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

Then explain what you meant by your statement, it says club first, so I assume Jesse puts aside any issues now and makes the decision to suit the club, is that correct?

What if he is rushed into doing it, because of circumstances, and actually makes the wrong decision for himself and the club?

If what GOF posted is indeed correct, what everybody needs to do now is give him space, he is contracted for 2017, if we do the right thing by him and his family then he may feel that the MFC is the best place to be, not only a footy player but as a human being

It is like what Mark Stevens asked Roughy last night on the news, he asked him whether he was considering getting back to footy next season, when he is battling cancer, the last thing he wants to consider is a return to footy, thankfully Roughy let him live on live TV

Its very simple.

The context is the club and a players value to it. It really doens't matter who it is.

Jesse can do and will what ever is required by his life to be. That and of itself isn't the issue.  Tha'ts one side of a coin. That many here can and will discuss the other side of the coin seems beyond your sensibilities Saty.

If you have even bothered to READ and COMPREHEND properly what is often =written by others  , not just read into things what you will, then the club ought to look after itself , yes.

I have empathy with Hogan's position. It's a very sad and emotional time for sure.  Does the rest of the world stop ? Will the rest of the AFL comp put all things aside ?  Of course not. Some pragmatism , no matter how unsavoury to your good self it might be , must be utilised.

 

Shlt happens....and some people have to deal with shlt.

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Its very simple.

The context is the club and a players value to it. It really doens't matter who it is.

Jesse can do and will what ever is required by his life to be. That and of itself isn't the issue.  Tha'ts one side of a coin. That many here can and will discuss the other side of the coin seems beyond your sensibilities Saty.

If you have even bothered to READ and COMPREHEND properly what is often =written by others  , not just read into things what you will, then the club ought to look after itself , yes.

I have empathy with Hogan's position. It's a very sad and emotional time for sure.  Does the rest of the world stop ? Will the rest of the AFL comp put all things aside ?  Of course not. Some pragmatism , no matter how unsavoury to your good self it might be , must be utilised.

 

Shlt happens....and some people have to deal with shlt.

It is no wonder I can't comprehend, some of the above is barely comprehensible.

Of course the club should look after itself, but if a player has a personal issue, and he has a contract for next season, where is the rush?

The Club these days will have Plan A, B, C etc

This is one player we are talking about, yes a very good one, with a poor attitude if you listen to some, he is signed for the 2017 season, if he wants to leave this year, I can assume the Club would play more than hardball to get a good deal done.

But if they are comfortable with the situation, where is the rush?

3 hours ago, Grand New Flag said:

However, if he was to change his mind over the death of his father Fyfe would be the trade.

Yeah, you lost me there. It doesn't work this way.

You're telling me that Fyfe and his manager have agreed on a trade to the Demons on the proviso that the personal life of another player may or may not go a certain way, that they may or may not request a trade to Perth? Player movement doesn't work this way and a player of Fyfe's caliber isn't going to make career-defining decisions based on the actions of another player.

Not to mention Fyfe is a free agent at the same time Jesse's contract ends; the club would be braindead to trade for him right now if he wanted to come to us, especially when the full extent of his injury is a mystery to other clubs.

I wonder, is this from your same source that promised us Josh Kennedy, Patrick Dangerfield and Dion Prestia over the last 3 years?

People actually still believe GNF??

Wow..

26 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

People actually still believe GNF??

Wow..

Mate give it a rest. Most people come onto this thread wanting to read news, updates and opinions related to Jesse Hogan. At the moment only about 10% of the posts in here are actually related to that. We're not interested in you playing Judge Judy. Who gives a [censored] if people believe GNF or not? It's their choice. At least GNF is sticking to the topic.

By the way, I saw a rumour referencing a Freo board member a few pages back but can't find the original post? Anyone got it?

My gut feeling now is that he might be gone. I can't find the footage anymore but when he was the Juventus exhibition he was asked about his contract. The way he looked down and made no real reference to staying with Melbourne in his answer made me feel a bit uneasy. Just my opinion, as the media outlets actually reported it the other way afterwards.

 

Edited September 10, 20168 yr by Sylvia Saint