8 hours ago, Munga said:

Anyone notice how quiet Hogans voice went with the contract questions? Once he finished with that and started chatting footy  his voice got stronger again. I dont know what hes thinking but he is absolutely uncomfortable with that subject. it was very obvious. Maybe he just doesn't like discussing contracts

The reality is that Hogan has two years to go. He has said they will look at it at the end of this year. The club agrees. Hopefully it is done then. No point to worry now.

However, if at the end of this year, it is put off until the end of season 17 , I would be very worried.

At this time, enjoy season 2016.

Reading again what the Ox said, I would not be surprised if he is taking a cryptic swipe at Hogan. Strange that he would be talking monetary depreciation of Hogan's kicking  at this stage of the debate on Hogan's future intentions. Maybe he has heard rumours?  The haste that Hogan felt it necessary to have a press  conference sounds unusually defensive under the circumstances.

Edited March 17, 20169 yr by america de cali

10 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Reading again what the Ox said, I would not be surprised if he is taking a cryptic swipe at Hogan. Strange that he would be talking monetary depreciation of Hogan's kicking  at this stage of the debate on Hogan's future intentions. Maybe he has heard rumours?  The haste that Hogan felt it necessary to have a press  conference sounds unusually defensive under the circumstances.

Perhaps this is what is known as managing the media.  The old axiom of any publicity is good publicity is apt in this case

If a guy runs in backwards, has a seizure, flips out and kicks at 69%, his technique is better than the guy who runs in upright keeps his eye on the ball and hits 60%. 

If all we do is accept one traditional way of executing a skill, we shut out the growth in our sport.

What evidence is there that Hogan's technique is not better than others, is there anything other than it looks a bit funny??  

21 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Perhaps this is what is known as managing the media.  The old axiom of any publicity is good publicity is apt in this case

I just wonder if another scribe or media footy legend had came out with the Ox's comments, would there have been a press conference?

1 minute ago, america de cali said:

I just wonder if another scribe or media footy legend had came out with the Ox's comments, would there have been a press conference?

I think JH is, for obvious reasons, getting more media attention anyway.  But I get the sense Ox knew exactly what he was doing, when he made the comments he did.  His comments came, knowing that soon after, SEN were going to have a MFC membership day.

4 hours ago, WAClark said:

If a guy runs in backwards, has a seizure, flips out and kicks at 69%, his technique is better than the guy who runs in upright keeps his eye on the ball and hits 60%. 

If all we do is accept one traditional way of executing a skill, we shut out the growth in our sport.

What evidence is there that Hogan's technique is not better than others, is there anything other than it looks a bit funny??  

I will start this by saying I'm about as far away from an expert as you can get, but the successful sportsmen and women who have to do repetitive tasks (shoot, throw, bowl, hit) they all talk about muscle memory and that every one of their actions is exactly the same and so the body sort of goes into autopilot. 

Jesse's technique and run up seems to change every shot for goal, and he missed some real sitters last year. Now yes his accuracy isn't bad, but it could certainly be better. Further to that he doesn't seem to get much penetration on his kicks, anything above 40-43m out he seems to really have to hoof it. The Ox went overboard with his description and frankly it was a cheap attempt to get the headline to make his show more relevant. But he wasn't totally wrong and I think the ultimate point is that it isn't an area he's as fluid in as others and it therefor be something he should work on/ask for help. For all we know he already has though.

Edited March 17, 20169 yr by Pates

8 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

I thought they missed the obvious marketing opportunity to set up a goal kicking shoot out between Hoges and The Ox at the G or at Gosch's after training for the TV news and in time for today's membership drive. I am sure the Ox would have been up for a bit of fun and attention.

The trouble would come if Ox won after being so long out. Could happen

17 hours ago, Munga said:

Anyone notice how quiet Hogans voice went with the contract questions? Once he finished with that and started chatting footy  his voice got stronger again. I dont know what hes thinking but he is absiolutely uncomfortable with that subject. it was very obvious. Maybe he just doesn't like discussing contracts

I reckon these days 99% of it is done by the managers anyways, Jesse really just says what he wants to do, i wouldn't be at all surprised if he was just very aware of the fact what ever he said would be heavily read into and probably end up on top of an article and all over the news,  can't just be as simple as waiting for now.

 

Accuracy is so much more of a big deal for key forwards these days because they get far fewer opportunities. Like Hogan had maybe five shots at goal in the last game. Unlike when Jackovich played and could kick a lazy 8.7 and a few out of bounds before 3/4 time and 2nd tier forwards were bagging  70 plus goals for a full season. The pressure is on to nail goals especially within 30-40 metre range at favourable angles. I imagine  there will be a lot of pressure on him in round one to turn a positive balance sheet.

If he had kicked 5.5 instead of 2.2, not much would have been said. Only praise.

Edited March 17, 20169 yr by america de cali

17 hours ago, america de cali said:

Reading again what the Ox said, I would not be surprised if he is taking a cryptic swipe at Hogan. Strange that he would be talking monetary depreciation of Hogan's kicking  at this stage of the debate on Hogan's future intentions. Maybe he has heard rumours?  The haste that Hogan felt it necessary to have a press  conference sounds unusually defensive under the circumstances.

Can't believe you think it was Hogan's idea to have the pre-training interview.

When asked about his contract, he looked to the left but his right eye didn't move. I don't want to over analyse this press conference but I think he's off to Fremantle.

Edited March 17, 20169 yr by Ethan Tremblay

2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

When asked about his contract, he looked to the left but his right eye didn't move. I don't want to over analyse this press conference but I think he's off to Fremantle.

however....the press conference was at AAMI and the stage was on a north/south positioning with Jesse facing east/west - if his left eye moved but right eye didn't by my reckoning he is off to play for the Doveton Eagles.

It was in March five years ago that Scully had his infamous press conference. Beware The Ides of March.

17 hours ago, america de cali said:

I just wonder if another scribe or media footy legend had came out with the Ox's comments, would there have been a press conference?

Strange comment. If "another scribe or media footy legend" had called it "disgraceful" instead of "concerning", and linked it to his contract, then the club definitely would have responded in one way or another. And any club response is better to come from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

Schwarz was the only one to go in that hard on Jesse, so they couldn't just let it slide, and I think the club could have gone in a lot harder on Schwarz, but they preferred the "soft" approach, which was probably wise. Has Schwarz explained why he linked it to Jesse's contract?

It wasn't just that the Ox raised the issue for discussion - it was raised by just about every commentator, and most brushed it off as an off-day; none of the others linked it to his contract. It was the inappropriate & unnecessary & loaded terms Schwarz used, as well as the fact that he's a former great from the same club.

This has to be the biggest storm in a tea cup I think I have read

1 hour ago, Bossdog said:

This has to be the biggest storm in a tea cup I think I have read

Like I said, all it means o me is that we know we have a marquee player now because this is the type of over-saturation that occurs when you have one. Even the club trotting him out for a press conference is just them capitalising on the publicity and putting us and Jesse in the spotlight.

Hey, and how about this big win for the Hulk? 

 

On 17 March 2016 at 10:31 AM, Ethan Tremblay said:

When asked about his contract, he looked to the left but his right eye didn't move. I don't want to over analyse this press conference but I think he's off to Fremantle.

Ethan, you'd be the person who came up notion that scratching your left nut whilst driving is equivalent to driving with a blood alcohol content of .073, or that when he touched his left ear lobe he was lying or that because I've just had 3 glasses of Shiraz, I'm talking nonsense. Perhaps he's one of the 1.4% of the population with the ability to do what you described and it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference and there's nothing for us to worry about. I hope that last thing is correct.

1 minute ago, pineapple dee said:

Ethan, you'd be the person who came up notion that scratching your left nut whilst driving is equivalent to driving with a blood alcohol content of .073, or that when he touched his left ear lobe he was lying or that because I've just had 3 glasses of Shiraz, I'm talking nonsense. Perhaps he's one of the 1.4% of the population with the ability to do what you described and it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference and there's nothing for us to worry about. I hope that last thing is correct.

Whichever one it is, I was joking.

1 minute ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Whichever one it is, I was joking.

Phew !!!!!!

The fact that Ox brought up money tells me that he's heard Jesse is going, going or gone.

I recall him doing similar to Scully, but not to anyone else in our colours.

The positive thing is is that he probably hasn't heard the rumour from the club, we're pretty watertight under PJ, Bartlett and Roos, and that it might just be recycled media [censored].

39 minutes ago, Pirlo said:

The fact that Ox brought up money tells me that he's heard Jesse is going, going or gone.

I recall him doing similar to Scully, but not to anyone else in our colours.

The positive thing is is that he probably hasn't heard the rumour from the club, we're pretty watertight under PJ, Bartlett and Roos, and that it might just be recycled media [censored].

I find it hard to believe Jesse has decided, with two years to run on his contract, that he wants to return west and that Ox has knowledge on this. Could be wrong though. 

25 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I find it hard to believe Jesse has decided, with two years to run on his contract, that he wants to return west and that Ox has knowledge on this. Could be wrong though. 

Yeah I don't disagree, I just think Ox is an emotive person and has run with what he's heard.

My thoughts are that Hogan is as likely to leave as he is to say. He's a relaxed guy who probably isn't thinking too concretely about two years down the line.