Training - Wednesday 9th March, 2016

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41 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Jack Trengove was slow in a slow team. He was also unfairly an integral cog of our midfield after playing about 5 games.

He was slow because he had (undiagnosed) stress fractures in his foot.

He ran 2.97 seconds for 20 metres in state screening before he was drafted (considered good), so he certainly wasn't "slow" when he first came to the club.  And I didn't think he was slow in his first 2 years.  Ever since he's looked like he was running in quicksand, but I put that down to the injury.

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1 hour ago, Baghdad Bob said:

Thanks Jack.

I was interested when Clayton Oliver was interviewed by Barry Hall after the game and how similar they looked in size.  I think that rather than Josh Kennedy I'm hoping that Clayton will be more like Nathan Fyfe.  He has the natural ball getting ability, he has the strength in the air, he has the lateral movement and he has the decision making. He also seems to have the determination to succeed and the competitive nature that is so important.  Most importantly he looks like Jordie.

I think in his third year he'll be our best mid.

Maybe Barry Hall was stooping over?

 

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1 hour ago, Wrecker45 said:

Jack Trengove was slow in a slow team. He was also unfairly an integral cog of our midfield after playing about 5 games.

Times have changed. He will be a role player in a team that has a balance between speed and hardness. His balance and poise will compliment just nicely.

I thought Jack was quite capable of fulfilling a midfield role from the get go but I seem to recall him spending a fair amount of time as a half forward in his first and wouldn't have called him an integral cog in the midfield at that stage of his career at all.

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3 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I thought Jack was quite capable of fulfilling a midfield role from the get go but I seem to recall him spending a fair amount of time as a half forward in his first and wouldn't have called him an integral cog in the midfield at that stage of his career at all.

I still think that is where he played his best football WJ.

IMO he is a half forward I would be very  happy to see him playing well in that role.

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17 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

AVB was on crutches the first time I saw him at the season launch but one of the players mentioned that this was a precaution. He will only miss this week.

So will Joel Smith due to a head knock.

Everyone is saying that Jack Trengove and Christian Petracca are ready to be unleashed but nobody can say exactly when. If it's to be this week, I suppose we'll know when the team sheets for this week's Casey Scorpions practice match match comes out. 

I got to meet Mitch King briefly and told him he's already a legend for getting Clayton Oliver up to Morrish Medal status with his hit outs ?. He has a younger brother playing footy for Wodonga so Dazzle Davey could perhaps keep a lookout for him?

And speaking of Clayton Oliver, one thing that impresses is his size. Back in the day, I'm sure he would have been a KPP but I can see Roosy turning him into a Josh Kennedy of the Sydney variety

Yes he does, his name is Charlie King.

I made a comment around draft time that watching Oliver play live several times he had the style of a Luke Parker because of his strong contested mark in the air. But his size and body strength I feel will end up like Josh Kennedy. I have been surprised watching him lately that he looks a lot taller then most of our mids. I wouldn't be surprised if he has grown to about 190cm tall. He stood next to Joel Smith (listed at 191cm) at the AGM and he looked pretty much same height as him.

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19 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

 

Petracca - It's especially hard to talk about Trengove's 'speed' when this guy is around him. First time I've seen him in the flesh and he clearly has some gears. At some stages during drills he'd just turn it on and break through or accelerate past a defender. A very special trait to have. His kicking also has an explosive quality to it. During some of the kicking drills, he'd really punch the footy hard and it would zip through the air to his team-mate with a lot of power. Those quads. Monstrous I tell you. And as a poster previously said, his contested marking and vertical jumping were pretty damn impressive. He'll be a nightmare to handle as that mid-sized forward. 

 

Does that description not sound like you're talking about Ablett (of the senior variety)?

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7 hours ago, DemonDave said:

Thanks for the reports. Is there any timeframe for the return of JKH? Unless I've missed a Misson

report haven't seen anything regarding his injury seriousness.

I saw JKH at training for the first time in a while and he looked fine. There were no major contact drills to see if he would sit out, he wasn't taped and he kicked a goal from the 50m line so I think he'll play pretty soon at Casey. I would suspect he has his work cut out to get a go back in the main game. He looks like he feels like he doesn't belong. Head down, bum up and work his arse off and he may get a chance mid season.

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6 hours ago, ProDee said:

He was slow because he had (undiagnosed) stress fractures in his foot.

He ran 2.97 seconds for 20 metres in state screening before he was drafted (considered good), so he certainly wasn't "slow" when he first came to the club.  And I didn't think he was slow in his first 2 years.  Ever since he's looked like he was running in quicksand, but I put that down to the injury.

I remember him as slow but probably unfairly and in hindsight after the stress fractures.

He is not a very penetrating kick which is a good indicator of slow twitch fibres. Slow twitch fibres equals slow burst of speed.

Don't get me wrong i think Trengove will be in the best 22 when he is fit. 

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8 hours ago, ProDee said:

He was slow because he had (undiagnosed) stress fractures in his foot.

He ran 2.97 seconds for 20 metres in state screening before he was drafted (considered good), so he certainly wasn't "slow" when he first came to the club.  And I didn't think he was slow in his first 2 years.  Ever since he's looked like he was running in quicksand, but I put that down to the injury.

I thought he was slow in 2011 and even started a thread about it here.

He's not just a slow runner, he's a slow mover in general.

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2 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I thought he was slow in 2011 and even started a thread about it here.

He's not just a slow runner, he's a slow mover in general.

Agreed, The slow mover in general is perfect way to sum it up.

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8 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Maybe Barry Hall was stooping over?

 

Under the weight of his IQ, presumably 

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2 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

I remember him as slow but probably unfairly and in hindsight after the stress fractures.

He is not a very penetrating kick which is a good indicator of slow twitch fibres. Slow twitch fibres equals slow burst of speed.

Don't get me wrong i think Trengove will be in the best 22 when he is fit. 

A great indication of the injury he had and the lack of power he could generate.

Trengove is an excellent kick of the ball, penetration not a problem...

Edited March 10, 2016 by rjay

[picket fence 17,145]

Jack Trengove will really struggle to play another senior game at the MFC.

Anyone who thinks otherwise then do this....

Pick your best 22 and decide who you would play! Would Trengove get a game???  

And what position would you play him??

Hard??you betcha!

After that then come back to me !

Too long out!

Unfortunate but ... lets focus on reality!

Eh

 

Edited March 10, 2016 by picket fence

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4 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Jack Trengove will really struggle to play another senior game at the MFC.

Anyone who thinks otherwise then do this....

Pick your best 22 and decide who you would play! Would Trengove get a game???  

And what position would you play him??

Hard??you betcha!

After that then come back to me !

Too long out!

Unfortunate but ... lets focus on reality!

Eh

 

Max Gawn says hi.

Just let it unfold and hope for the best, these kind of crystal ball guesses serve no purpose.

 

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9 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Jack Trengove will really struggle to play another senior game at the MFC.

Anyone who thinks otherwise then do this....

Pick your best 22 and decide who you would play! Would Trengove get a game???  

And what position would you play him??

Hard??you betcha!

After that then come back to me !

Too long out!

Unfortunate but ... lets focus on reality!

Eh

 

But that's not the reality.

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2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I thought he was slow in 2011 and even started a thread about it here.

He's not just a slow runner, he's a slow mover in general.

How can you run under 3 seconds for 20 metres if you're a slow runner ?

He has a deliberate style, but he wasn't"slow".

But I'm sick of arguing about it.  He'll either make it or he won't. 

I think he will. 

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1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

But that's not the reality.

Oh dear ?

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Still remember that SANFL gf. If gets back 100%, he's walk up best 22.

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1 minute ago, Allen Jakovich said:

Still remember that SANFL gf. If gets back 100%, he's walk up best 22.

His Prelim was just as good 29 disposals and a game saving mark in defence.

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1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Jack Trengove will really struggle to play another senior game at the MFC.

Anyone who thinks otherwise then do this....

Pick your best 22 and decide who you would play! Would Trengove get a game???  

And what position would you play him??

Hard??you betcha!

After that then come back to me !

Too long out!

Unfortunate but ... lets focus on reality!

Eh

 

Easy, he's in my best 22 to start with.

Off HF or HB, rotation through the midfield...you don't lose class & footy iq.

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13 hours ago, nutbean said:

I am going to make a huge statement with a small disclaimer. (if his foot causes no inconvenience) Jack will come back better than ever. He only needs to be able to get contests and his football smarts will hold him in very good stead. As you rightly said - Balanced and skillful footballers who make good decisions are a valuable commodity.

If he can stay on the park, Jack's perfect position is off half back. A good user, good decision maker and highly disciplined. Trengove and Salem releasing off half back. That'll be nice.

Playing Jack off half back also releases Vince into the midfield. I know it was just the Bulldogs game, but don't waste Vince. Put him in the guts.

12 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

Jack Trengove was slow in a slow team. He was also unfairly an integral cog of our midfield after playing about 5 games.

Times have changed. He will be a role player in a team that has a balance between speed and hardness. His balance and poise will compliment just nicely.

Disagree we have a team that has a balance of speed and hardness. We certainly have hardness, not sure about the speed. Still, I think your point about playing a role is right. Jack can now settle into being a role player.

Edited March 10, 2016 by AdamFarr

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3 hours ago, stuie said:

Max Gawn says hi.

Just let it unfold and hope for the best, these kind of crystal ball guesses serve no purpose.

 

As does the ox