Training - Friday 29th January, 2016

[bing181 9,194]

11 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Garlett looked fine - he and Brayshaw changed jumper numbers but they didn't fool me. I could easily work out who they were.

Could be a tactic they're working on to use in the season? Swapping Gawn and Garlett's number will really put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Goodwin's influence?

The mighty Dees: always one step ahead.

[dee-luded 2,959]

2 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

How hurtful, must be the spectator with the most footy related injuries ever     actually chap played in 3 states all at amateur level   taught how to play by an RSM   having started to watch the game in 1977 so might be able to proffer an opinion or 3

 

50 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Having a kick and giggle in your 20's isn't the same as growing up with the game and understanding its nuances, but kudos for having a go, chap.

there ya go Saty you don't deserve to have an opinion on this game....  just better go over to Aami park for that round ball code,  & be off wit ya.  thats all.

[Deecisive 1,709]

has anyone seen any progress with smith?

 

[Akum 2,660]

2 hours ago, ProDee said:

Having a kick and giggle in your 20's isn't the same as growing up with the game and understanding its nuances, but kudos for having a go, chap.

Yeah you're right. Playing Ammo's & watching it for 39 years isn't nearly enough to understand the "nuances" of the game.

[Cards13 9,117]

3 hours ago, ProDee said:

Having a kick and giggle in your 20's isn't the same as growing up with the game and understanding its nuances, but kudos for having a go, chap.

Yea what a spud, not like you.

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

4 hours ago, ProDee said:

Having a kick and giggle in your 20's isn't the same as growing up with the game and understanding its nuances, but kudos for having a go, chap.

I've had a well-known crack at Saty previously, for other reasons, but I think your comment is a little out of line PD.

[Whispering_Jack 29,808]

Some of you are quite sad in having a go at Satyr here over his comments re Jeff Garlett when most of what he was saying was based on what Paul Roos said over a player coming back slightly underdone after the Christmas break. You're shooting the messenger and attacking him over his background because he reports on a statement from a bloke who played 356 games of AFL and has coached close to 250 including a premiership. That's pathetic.

Garlett's not an endurance player, he plays a mainly crumbing role close to goals. He does his work in short, sharp bursts and doesn't need to be able to run hard all day like your midfielders. Yet, yesterday in the admittedly greasy conditions and just three weeks after the club's return from a 2 week break, he was getting around the ground without showing any sign of a problem. Talk about a storm in a teacup!

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 hour ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Some of you are quite sad in having a go at Satyr here over his comments re Jeff Garlett when most of what he was saying was based on what Paul Roos said over a player coming back slightly underdone after the Christmas break. You're shooting the messenger and attacking him over his background because he reports on a statement from a bloke who played 356 games of AFL and has coached close to 250 including a premiership. That's pathetic.

Garlett's not an endurance player, he plays a mainly crumbing role close to goals. He does his work in short, sharp bursts and doesn't need to be able to run hard all day like your midfielders. Yet, yesterday in the admittedly greasy conditions and just three weeks after the club's return from a 2 week break, he was getting around the ground without showing any sign of a problem. Talk about a storm in a teacup!

Only one person attacked his background.  One.  You're making it sound as if there was a lynch mob with pitch forks storming his front gate to tell him that he's wrong.  Why you need to make it sound like that, rather than quietly having a word with the poster in question, is beyond me.

Plus I still believe the rest of us are quite valid in our points re: Garlett's fitness.  While boxing may make up a decent part of his fitness program, he still isn't immune to realising that while he can't do that, maybe he could do a little extra in other areas to keep his fitness base up.  He's paid quite well to be a professional and it's clear he didn't quite reach those standards.

Lastly, people are criticised on here left, right and centre for their various views on the club.  That's what a forum is for.  Why you choose, as a mod, to come out and defend one poster over not much is telling.  I've brought it up before but clearly Saty is a mod favourite and is treated as such.  I wouldn't see yourself or other mods quickly jumping to the defence of others with a couple of big paragraphs to support it.

[Yossarian 1,820]

What's so offensive about "a slight whack"? 

Getting caught up about a minor aside like that reads to me like someone can't handle anything that's not sunshine and roses about the players. It's such a minor negative, I can't think of how Gorgoroth could have put it much lighter. 

I put Saty on ignore a long time ago, but it's frustrating seeing all these training threads descend into arguments about the most insignificant of things. 

[Spin-it-to-Goodwin-it 579]

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Only one person attacked his background.  One.  You're making it sound as if there was a lynch mob with pitch forks storming his front gate to tell him that he's wrong.  Why you need to make it sound like that, rather than quietly having a word with the poster in question, is beyond me.

Plus I still believe the rest of us are quite valid in our points re: Garlett's fitness.  While boxing may make up a decent part of his fitness program, he still isn't immune to realising that while he can't do that, maybe he could do a little extra in other areas to keep his fitness base up.  He's paid quite well to be a professional and it's clear he didn't quite reach those standards.

Lastly, people are criticised on here left, right and centre for their various views on the club.  That's what a forum is for.  Why you choose, as a mod, to come out and defend one poster over not much is telling.  I've brought it up before but clearly Saty is a mod favourite and is treated as such.  I wouldn't see yourself or other mods quickly jumping to the defence of others with a couple of big paragraphs to support it.

They certainly won't be jumping to your defense.

Garlett was another that really impressed me with his training a week ago.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, Roosy's Bruisers said:

They certainly won't be jumping to your defense.

Garlett was another that really impressed me with his training a week ago.

I don't need them to fight battles for me.

[Whispering_Jack 29,808]

14 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Only one person attacked his background.  One.  You're making it sound as if there was a lynch mob with pitch forks storming his front gate to tell him that he's wrong.  Why you need to make it sound like that, rather than quietly having a word with the poster in question, is beyond me.

Plus I still believe the rest of us are quite valid in our points re: Garlett's fitness.  While boxing may make up a decent part of his fitness program, he still isn't immune to realising that while he can't do that, maybe he could do a little extra in other areas to keep his fitness base up.  He's paid quite well to be a professional and it's clear he didn't quite reach those standards.

Lastly, people are criticised on here left, right and centre for their various views on the club.  That's what a forum is for.  Why you choose, as a mod, to come out and defend one poster over not much is telling.  I've brought it up before but clearly Saty is a mod favourite and is treated as such.  I wouldn't see yourself or other mods quickly jumping to the defence of others with a couple of big paragraphs to support it.

My comments were in the main pertinent to the issue of Jeff Garlett's condition after pre season. You're nit picking.

If you care about what the forum's for, you should stay on topic.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, Whispering_Jack said:

My comments were in the main pertinent to the issue of Jeff Garlett's condition after pre season. You're nit picking.

If you care about what the forum's for, you should stay on topic.

Maybe, but to say our view on it was 'quite sad' and then label a posters stance as 'pathetic' went a bit further than that.

Edit - I'll keep it on topic from here as I've said my piece.

Edited January 29, 2016 by Wiseblood

[Gorgoroth 12,924]

So it ok if all players go on break, come back under done if they don't play in the midfield... But wait... Garlett does go in the midfield from time to time and if he trained hard for the whole pre season he could go in there for longer.

He does bloody well those few times he does go in there and with less rotations the players need to be fitter.

But wanting the players in your club to give their all and be the best seems to be a secondary thing to not being too hard on the players when they have a sore finger.

One golden ticket for Garlett please.

[Spin-it-to-Goodwin-it 579]

16 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I don't need them to fight battles for me.

Why do you need to do battle? Why so aggressive? What are you wanting to prove?

Surely you can channel your energies more productively than waging war against people on here.

Picking a fight with the moderators is not one your going to win, unless your goal is to get banned? Maybe you have been already and that is why you are being so belligerent?

In case you haven't noticed Wiseblood it's a football forum not a fight your fellow supporters forum. If your all frustrated and pent up maybe go hit a punching bag with a picture of a magpie on it or something. You don't have to read other people's comments.

 

[dazzledavey36 54,285]

Have intra club match dates been released yet? As a country boy i really hope they do it on a weekend.

[Satyriconhome 10,731]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

Only one person attacked his background.  One.  You're making it sound as if there was a lynch mob with pitch forks storming his front gate to tell him that he's wrong.  Why you need to make it sound like that, rather than quietly having a word with the poster in question, is beyond me.

Plus I still believe the rest of us are quite valid in our points re: Garlett's fitness.  While boxing may make up a decent part of his fitness program, he still isn't immune to realising that while he can't do that, maybe he could do a little extra in other areas to keep his fitness base up.  He's paid quite well to be a professional and it's clear he didn't quite reach those standards.

Lastly, people are criticised on here left, right and centre for their various views on the club.  That's what a forum is for.  Why you choose, as a mod, to come out and defend one poster over not much is telling.  I've brought it up before but clearly Saty is a mod favourite and is treated as such.  I wouldn't see yourself or other mods quickly jumping to the defence of others with a couple of big paragraphs to support it.

The point I was trying to make, I was at the first training session after the break when the senior players came back, Jeff Garlett completed the whole session without an issue, you can interpret Roos' words a couple of ways, the usual suspects on here decided to take the negative approach, which you are entitled to do, I actually spoke to Jeff a couple of weeks in when he had an issue with a slight calf strain and spent a couple of session in rehab, because he is built like a stick, and because his base fitness is really good, the boxing is what tops it off, so because he hadn't been able to do it, he was trying to catch up with it

I have quite a few posters on ignore because I don't think it achieves anything nit picking, but I will post if I have a differing opinion to what is being stated as fact in a post

 

[Satyriconhome 10,731]

10 hours ago, Deecisive said:

has anyone seen any progress with smith?

 

An example of what he might bring if he can develop (from a training session before Xmas and illustrating his basketball background)..............a kick which went astray in front of him, it bounced straight up in the air, without blinking he launched himself vertically, grabbed it one handed landed and looked to distribute

Has a really good frame, coaches and recruiters I have chatted to, think once his endurance has built up, has the attributes to develop

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

The constant Saty criticism here is so absolutely boring. And mindless.

Would everyone please just keep to the topic. And stop personally attacking other posters.

Living in Sydney, I am grateful for every snippet of info I get about training, the players and the club generally - no matter how trivial some of it may appear to be.

For instance, the poster who reported his conversation with Petracca at training (posted above) has literally made my morning. Positivity and progress at the club and the prospect of attacking footy once again. Was pumped to read that post.

 

[Gorgoroth 12,924]

59 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

The point I was trying to make, I was at the first training session after the break when the senior players came back, Jeff Garlett completed the whole session without an issue, you can interpret Roos' words a couple of ways, the usual suspects on here decided to take the negative approach, which you are entitled to do, I actually spoke to Jeff a couple of weeks in when he had an issue with a slight calf strain and spent a couple of session in rehab, because he is built like a stick, and because his base fitness is really good, the boxing is what tops it off, so because he hadn't been able to do it, he was trying to catch up with it

I have quite a few posters on ignore because I don't think it achieves anything nit picking, but I will post if I have a differing opinion to what is being stated as fact in a post

 

My last post on this, but I don't see my opinion as negative, more a demanding of excellence that this club for too long has not demanded of their players. 

You see it different, such is life. 

[Whispering_Jack 29,808]

10 hours ago, Deecisive said:

has anyone seen any progress with smith?

 

I'm writing an article for the site which should be up some time today where I cover my impressions of the players including the new boys. It won't strictly be just about the training session - it will also be a look at our list for 2016 on a limited basis.

There's so many different things going on around the ground that it's difficult to concentrate on one player but I must say I was pleasantly surprised by Joel Smith. Given his elite youth basketball background I expected him to be athletic but he also appears to have some footy nous, inherited or taught by his father.

[Moonshadow 17,675]

I saw Smith do a couple of amazing athletic intercepts in the training match sims before Xmas. He's trying very hard to get his fitness base up and appears to be leaving nothing behind - he looked buggered after the two sessions I watched. As Saty noted, he does have a a decent frame which hopefully will fill out over time. Whilst being somewhat of a project player and new to AFL club environment, I got the feeling he was very well liked and received considerable encouragement from his teammates and the coaches on the track when I was there.

[Satyriconhome 10,731]

39 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

The constant Saty criticism here is so absolutely boring. And mindless.

Would everyone please just keep to the topic. And stop personally attacking other posters.

Living in Sydney, I am grateful for every snippet of info I get about training, the players and the club generally - no matter how trivial some of it may appear to be.

For instance, the poster who reported his conversation with Petracca at training (posted above) has literally made my morning. Positivity and progress at the club and the prospect of attacking footy once again. Was pumped to read that post.

 

Ron,

Bit more positivity for you, every player I have spoken to has reiterated what we have been reading on the club website and from training reports on here, everybody is finally on the same page, everybody understands "exactly" what is required to become elite, the training has lifted another notch.........I made Roos laugh at training when chatting to him over the fence when I said his 'explosions' seemed to have lessened at sessions...he said actually being listened to helped....yes it is still pre season, but finally I think we may have found the ladder to get out of the hole we dug ourselves into

[tappysquads 618]

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

An example of what he might bring if he can develop (from a training session before Xmas and illustrating his basketball background)..............a kick which went astray in front of him, it bounced straight up in the air, without blinking he launched himself vertically, grabbed it one handed landed and looked to distribute

Has a really good frame, coaches and recruiters I have chatted to, think once his endurance has built up, has the attributes to develop

I noticed him a couple times yesterday. Took a grab on the lead, and where there was options to dish off to runners or wheel around himself he was very reactive to voices and that split second late to decide, missing the chance and ending up just kicking long up the line. Will just take time for decisions and vision to come instinctually. Another one he ran round the back and got a handball off Oliver, carried it until he was under pressure and just floated one out of bounds. I think the elite level of afl football is not one you can just join in and compete unless you have outstanding athleticism that puts you above others. Won't cost us anything but I won't be holding my breath. I would of rathered the time be put into a Spencer white or jake Lovett etc. surely we could of flicked terls or m.jones and squeezed a prospect player on the list

[Mad_Melbourne 877]

31 minutes ago, tappysquads said:

I would of rathered the time be put into a Spencer white or jake Lovett etc. surely we could of flicked terls or m.jones and squeezed a prospect player on the list

Firstly, I don't agree with your sentiment on Spencer White (who is not up to the grade and clearly not up to the grade) and Jake Lovett (didn't set the world on fire at TAC cup level, giving him a chance to play at Casey without using a draft pick is great.)

secondly Terlich and Jones both were contracted, therefore we either pay them out, highly unlikely, or we have them around this year, which is the case. 

18 players on our list have played less than 21 games, I think that indicates we have a whole list of prospect and developing players. 

Personally, Smith has athletic attributes (repeat sprint and decent vertical) which can translate to playing AFL, his natural hand eye will also help. Will he make it, who knows, but I think these attributes combined with a full time AFL environment could see him develop into a mid sized defender.