JUDGEMENT DAY - THE "BOMBER" 34

[beelzebub 23,313]

The Magistrate should have applied the max IMHO. Was not an isolated occurrence but an orchestrated program over a protracted time frame affecting a considerable number. Not to mention lengths taken to obsfuscate and cover up.

[sue 9,096]

5 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

From the Magistrate's point of view, I'm not sure that this is a "slap on the wrist". If the maximum fine was around $300,000, then you'd think that a Magistrate might want to reserve a penalty that high for circumstances where one or more employees died due to a company's negligence. I'm not condoning what Essendon did, but I can see how the Magistrate might consider the maximum penalty excessive.

While that is quite possible, surely injecting unknown substances is extremely serious and not much below killing someone.  I can imagine cases where someone is killed being less serious in terms of the degree of negligence by the company (with a more unfortunate result).  A great chance for the magistrate to go for the maximum and call for the maximum to be raised.

[Lucifers Hero 39,556]

19 minutes ago, bazza226 said:

Peter Gordon is not associated any more with the publicly listed Slater and Gordon Ltd. 

But his son (from S&G), who is representing the bulldog players, is so to my mind there is still a conflict of interest between the Gordon family and the WB players.  Others may have a different view.

[beelzebub 23,313]

15 hours ago, Macca said:

Paul Roos: Chase drug cheats harder

 

Some absolute gems out  of this article btw :

 

"While Akermanis has dodged some of the game's best defenders, he could not escape the wrath of AFL chief Andrew Demetriou yesterday.

Demetriou took aim at Akermanis, describing his comments that footballers have used performance-enhancing drugs as stupid and ridiculous.

Akermanis said this week he had played on an opponent in Brisbane in 28C who ran him off his legs and he believed his rival was a drug cheat.

Demetriou returned fire yesterday.

"I think they are just stupid comments and if he has got something to say he should contact ASADA and let them know," Demetriou said.

"But there is nothing to support those comments, absolutely nothing to support them and I treat them with the disdain they deserve."

No...nothing going on eh Demetriou ??

This bloke was full of so much shlt ( AD ) 

He has escaped a lot of due scrutiny me thinks !!

[Chris 2,892]

46 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

From the Magistrate's point of view, I'm not sure that this is a "slap on the wrist". If the maximum fine was around $300,000, then you'd think that a Magistrate might want to reserve a penalty that high for circumstances where one or more employees died due to a company's negligence. I'm not condoning what Essendon did, but I can see how the Magistrate might consider the maximum penalty excessive.

That was the maximum per offence, from memory there were two offences so the max was just over 600k. I agree with your logic but if the max is 600 then they got 30% of that, not really much more than a slap. 

[beelzebub 23,313]

36 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

But his son (from S&G), who is representing the bulldog players, is so to my mind there is still a conflict of interest between the Gordon family and the WB players.  Others may have a different view.

I'm with you

[Sir Why You Little 36,963]

34 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Some absolute gems out  of this article btw :

 

"While Akermanis has dodged some of the game's best defenders, he could not escape the wrath of AFL chief Andrew Demetriou yesterday.

Demetriou took aim at Akermanis, describing his comments that footballers have used performance-enhancing drugs as stupid and ridiculous.

Akermanis said this week he had played on an opponent in Brisbane in 28C who ran him off his legs and he believed his rival was a drug cheat.

Demetriou returned fire yesterday.

"I think they are just stupid comments and if he has got something to say he should contact ASADA and let them know," Demetriou said.

"But there is nothing to support those comments, absolutely nothing to support them and I treat them with the disdain they deserve."

No...nothing going on eh Demetriou ??

This bloke was full of so much shlt ( AD ) 

He has escaped a lot of due scrutiny me thinks !!

Demetriou was the instigator of the modern AFL. 

A very dodgy and dangerous man

Dill is a little cloned Vlad....

broadcast rights are the only concern...

[Wells 11 5,377]

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

From the Magistrate's point of view, I'm not sure that this is a "slap on the wrist". If the maximum fine was around $300,000, then you'd think that a Magistrate might want to reserve a penalty that high for circumstances where one or more employees died due to a company's negligence. I'm not condoning what Essendon did, but I can see how the Magistrate might consider the maximum penalty excessive.

How the hell did the EFC get that down to TWO offences? that bit really is a complete joke, I wonder if Hal Hunter was one of them? ..obviously the govt has stepped in somewhere to minimise all of it while keeping the "look" of doing something about it. 

[deefrag 277]

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

TDees2014trate should have applied the  max IMHO. Was not an isolated occurrence but an orchestrated program over a protracted time frame affecting a considerable number. Not to mention lengths taken to obsfuscate and cover up.

Dud club! Dud Comp!

34 doped ... No club penalties!

Should not be playing!

Maintain the rage!

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Congrats dees2014 You Landed a few!

[Jaded No More 68,867]

The only thing I'm interested in now, is how do we keep Melksham fit and ready until next September?

Can we pay for him to have a personal trainer which gets specific information from the club regarding a training and nutritional program? 

[daisycutter 29,603]

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

The only thing I'm interested in now, is how do we keep Melksham fit and ready until next September?

Can we pay for him to have a personal trainer which gets specific information from the club regarding a training and nutritional program? 

no, no

no professional contact of any sort

edit: if they were smart they would have had this worked out before the sentence

[sue 9,096]

Just now, daisycutter said:

no, no

no professional contact of any sort

With the club -  surely nothing to stop him hiring a personal trainer paid for by an anonymous donor.  And if that trainer has coffee with MFC staff...?

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

On 26/01/2016 at 10:10 AM, Ted Fidge said:

He's a specialist in making overblown ambit claims and putting the legal squeeze on in order to get settlements (and quite coincidentally, $$$$). He has no more specialist knowledge of CAS and Swiss law than any eagle on this forum. Or any random collection of eagles in Melbourne.

He's let his emotions get the better of him here.

The players chose to go in as a group throughout the whole ASADA/WADA/CAS process. If one player felt he was in a different category then he had the option to plough his own road. It is too late for that player to rethink his options. He can't eat his cake and expect to still have it.

If the claim is true, it is not the process that has failed. It is the legal representation of the player.

If it was so clear that player X was not injected withTB-4, then his lawyer has done a lousy job of presenting the case.

If said player is suggesting he withdrew prior to TB4 injections, he obviously knows when they occurred. Which leads to the only conclusion - that TB4 injections happened. Guilty, bang, see ya later. If he had this evidence he should have produced it when requested - which would have closed the case 12 months ago. Now, at best, he's an accomplice. Just as guilty.

[beelzebub 23,313]

3 minutes ago, sue said:

With the club -  surely nothing to stop him hiring a personal trainer paid for by an anonymous donor.  And if that trainer has coffee with MFC staff...?

Then ASADA will fine the club, take away any accreditation for the trainer and seek additional penalty for the player.

[daisycutter 29,603]

2 minutes ago, sue said:

With the club -  surely nothing to stop him hiring a personal trainer paid for by an anonymous donor.  And if that trainer has coffee with MFC staff...?

correct. there are always grey areas.

melksham is also allowed to mix socially with other players including team mates......but technically they can't assist him in a sporting sense

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,687]

11 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Then ASADA will fine the club, take away any accreditation for the trainer and seek additional penalty for the player.

As a matter of interest, who accredits personal trainers? I know they can gain qualifications but I didn't know they were also accredited.

[beelzebub 23,313]

9 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

As a matter of interest, who accredits personal trainers? I know they can gain qualifications but I didn't know they were also accredited.

If trainer has any accreditation with any sport or such that is signatory to the WADA code and aids  a banned player they will be smacked big time.  People talk of gray areas but I'd be treading very carefully. Asada/wada will be watching like a hawk. 

Personally I hope Efc cross the line again. 

[beelzebub 23,313]

28 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

As a matter of interest, who accredits personal trainers? I know they can gain qualifications but I didn't know they were also accredited.

The various sports and codes have their accreditation protocols.  A no name personal trainer may have none..  If he aids a banned player..he'll never get any !!

[biggestred 5,015]

53 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:

If said player is suggesting he withdrew prior to TB4 injections, he obviously knows when they occurred. Which leads to the only conclusion - that TB4 injections happened. Guilty, bang, see ya later. If he had this evidence he should have produced it when requested - which would have closed the case 12 months ago. Now, at best, he's an accomplice. Just as guilty.

Baaaaaahahahahahaha this is so good

I opted out before tb4 means

A) tb4 was injected and

B) that person knows when it was.

[sue 9,096]

ASADA does not have the resources and probably has better things to do than follow the detailed behaviour of all the banned players.  I'd be very surprised if they could nail anyone with half a brain.  What are they going to do - see a player running laps, corner him and ask him how he knows he should be running at just at that speed?  And if he meets his trainer at a random oval or gym somewhere, does ASADA have the resources to spot that?  Even if there is a risk of being caught, being idle for a year and then hoping to play AFL again is probably a bigger risk.

 

[sue 9,096]

2 minutes ago, biggestred said:

Baaaaaahahahahahaha this is so good

I opted out before tb4 means

A) tb4 was injected and

B) that person knows when it was.

But did he say he opted out before tb4, or just before the other blokes went onto some regime which he had no idea what it was. If the latter, guilt does not follow simply from that.

[biggestred 5,015]

Just now, sue said:

But did he say he opted out before tb4, or just before the other blokes went onto some regime which he had no idea what it was. If the latter, guilt does not follow simply from that.

True true. Ill have to find the quote

[sue 9,096]

I haven't followed the details, but the NRL seems a bit tougher than the Australian Football Loophole (AFL) - almost 3 years for attempting to use....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-28/martin-kennedy-receives-long-nrl-ban-for-doping-offences/7121924

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,346]

18 hours ago, Macca said:

 

Paul Roos: Chase drug cheats harder

 

Should we have gone after Carilse too?

[beelzebub 23,313]

7 minutes ago, sue said:

I haven't followed the details, but the NRL seems a bit tougher than the Australian Football Loophole (AFL) - almost 3 years for attempting to use....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-28/martin-kennedy-receives-long-nrl-ban-for-doping-offences/7121924

I dare say Sue the NRL understand things somewhat clearer than the Loopholers. They know  ( at least at the top ) that there is not only a problem  but that the public know theres a problem and want it seen to.

Contrast this to the Australian Football Laughingstock. Gill and his Dills don't concede much of any problem. What little there is  ( npi ) has been dealt with , indeed they , if you ask them ( the AFL ) help and co-operated with the relevant authority   In teh manner of the Emperor and his new clothes all is right with footy