4 hours ago, Chris said:

You are trained as an athlete not to trust your doctor and to check that what they say you are getting is not banned. This is drummed into athletes, why the AFL feel they are different and their poor little boys need protection is beyond me. Time for the whole league to grow up and join the 20th century, let alone the 21st!

Except apparently at Essendon they were trained to lie to ASADA when repeatedly asked re supplements    

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Let's all hope Trace asks about this on Sunday night in her unbiased interview

"where are the Hard Drives James....or are they all on 64 GB USB's"?

There must still be copies..?? Off shore maybe??"

Off shore - maybe St James spent some of his paid exile in some Swiss bank vaults?  

Pit really pisses me off when Danks says it is all so unfair but will not produce the clearing evidence.   

And as many have reiterated, clubs keep records of absolutely everything ....... except details of what they, in their delusional state, may have considered ground breaking sports medical breakthroughs.

 

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Let's all hope Trace asks about this on Sunday night in her unbiased interview

"where are the Hard Drives James....or are they all on 64 GB USB's"?

There must still be copies..?? Off shore maybe??"

Hird's response, "It was Wally's (Dean Wallis) job to keep the records. He kept the records on the back of his TAB tickets, so the TAB should have the records if Wally had a win. Wally had and still does have a close relationship with Danksy, so he was the most qualified to keep medical records. Nothing to do with me, I'm innocent."

 

A little bit of satire, to go with the schadenfreude:

http://www.theshovel.com.au/2016/01/13/lance-armstrong-offers-to-show-essendon-how-to-cheat-properly/

Tracey, please just ask this simple question: "Why did the players exclude the multitude of off-site injections from their ASADA drug disclosure forms?"

But she won't, because she's nothing more than a biased Hird sympathiser.

hirdy part 1

Protocols were ignored eh?

"WE need your UN skills Danny  (Corcoran)"

Must be the first article he's credited himself with writing, rather than his ghostwriter.

 

Tracey, please just ask this simple question: "Why did the players exclude the multitude of off-site injections from their ASADA drug disclosure forms?"

But she won't, because she's nothing more than a biased Hird sympathiser.

He isn't going to put himself up for a hard interview. If it is a pure love-in, we can question why our taxes are paying for it (I say this as a supporter of the ABC).

7 minutes ago, SaberFang said:

Must be the first article he's credited himself with writing, rather than his ghostwriter.

Must be because he wants the truth to come out (not) :-)))

 

hirdy part 1

Protocols were ignored eh?

"WE need your UN skills Danny  (Corcoran)"

I'm glad Danny is helping them and not us!

And we got Jackson, definitely the good end of the deal there.

 

I'm still totally bewildered about what the AFL Tribunal made of the fact that the players did not reveal the totally legal injections they 'thought' they were getting to ASADA's regular monitoring process.  Has anyone in the media addressed this critical point which I think makes it clear the players knew they were up to no good.

One of the players said to CAS we didn't want to reveal info that would be of use to our competitors. While that has a veneer of  plausibility, it beggars belief.

 Sue, that does not hold weight as the players say they do not know what they were taking. It reinforces my belief that they are lying.

A question for anyone with knowledge of how CAS appeals work, if Methendon go that way.

 

I know in Criminal matters, if you appeal a decision from the Magistrates' Court to the County Court, you run the risk of receiving a higher sentence (as rare as that happens).

 

Does anyone know if this is the same with CAS to the Swiss Federal Court?  If Methendon appeal and loose, could they end up with a longer sentence?

 

I have heard so many people draw the analogy that when you go to your doctor and he says take these - you usually don't question - you expect everything to be on the up and up and you trust .

I agree however.....

As soon as I get outside and someone asks me 30 times if my doctor  gave  me something I don't reply " nothing........he gave me nothing"

 

Hird went to Dr CAS and got a giant suppository.

Edited January 14, 20169 yr by chook fowler

 

A question for anyone with knowledge of how CAS appeals work, if Methendon go that way.

 

I know in Criminal matters, if you appeal a decision from the Magistrates' Court to the County Court, you run the risk of receiving a higher sentence (as rare as that happens).

 

Does anyone know if this is the same with CAS to the Swiss Federal Court?  If Methendon appeal and loose, could they end up with a longer sentence?

Why would Essendon appeal? They have not received any penalty. At this stage they are not guilty of anything! (WorkCare and shoddy bookkeeping aside)

What if a player appeals? My understanding is that the suspension stays in place during the appeal, that any appeal is held under Swiss law, probably in Switzerland and only points of law can be appealed. It could take 6-12 months before an appeal held. Good luck with that.

 

Why would Essendon appeal? They have not received any penalty. At this stage they are not guilty of anything! (WorkCare and shoddy bookkeeping aside)

What if a player appeals? My understanding is that the suspension stays in place during the appeal, that any appeal is held under Swiss law, probably in Switzerland and only points of law can be appealed. It could take 6-12 months before an appeal held. Good luck with that.

You mean like the players he just threw under the bus because "protocols weren't followed"

 

You mean like the players he just threw under the bus because "protocols weren't followed"

Sorry, who is he?

If you google funny essendon photos you get a whole heap comong up. Some of them are very funny. These are my favourite.

 

 

Sorry, who is he?

Hirdy

Just realised that has nothing to do with what I quoted.... was half asleep sorry

a hird of drug cheats.. love it

Would love a full investigation of his playing career.  Oh actually nevermind, he was just getting dietary advice from convicted drug importer Shane Charters.

Carry on....

 

Must be the first article he's credited himself with writing, rather than his ghostwriter.

Not even Robbo could touch this dribble. I did like how he said CAS found he wanted everything to be compliant and signed off by Reid, yet forgot the texts where he is complaining about Reid blocking things!

 

If you google funny essendon photos you get a whole heap comong up. Some of them are very funny. These are my favourite.

 

 

This is now my favourite.

hahahahahahahahahaha, to the poor soul who put that up. I hope karma doesn't bite too hard. 

 

Why would Essendon appeal? They have not received any penalty. At this stage they are not guilty of anything! (WorkCare and shoddy bookkeeping aside)

What if a player appeals? My understanding is that the suspension stays in place during the appeal, that any appeal is held under Swiss law, probably in Switzerland and only points of law can be appealed. It could take 6-12 months before an appeal held. Good luck with that.

As I understand it, it's not even points of law. They can only appeal failures in the process. Eg if they weren't given an opportunity to adequately defend themselves. Or if evidence was admitted that shouldn't have been etc. But as I understand it all parties including the players reps have said they were satisfied they had been given a fair hearing. So can't see there will be any basis for an appeal on the procedure. 

Ok, now I'm really confused. Got this from an article on the age:

Hunter did not receive an infraction notice — likely because he did not sign a consent form for the relevant substance — and thus avoided the year-long suspensions, but he is no longer playing football. 34 current and ex-Essendon players received season bans for doping offences on Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/essendon-saga-parents-appalled-as-afl-dons-pursue-costs-against-hal-hunter-20160115-gm6l85.html#ixzz3xHXHhsJb 
 

So Hunter got jabbed, but didn't sign the consent form. So that gives him, what, plausible deniability regarding TB4? So ASADA didn't bother pursuing him in the first place?

And the rest get nabbed because they DID sign the form, showing they knew they were getting "Thymosin" or whatever was written on there.

Also how does that work around the club? Why would a guy, who presumably knows a bunch of other players signed a consent form, keep getting jabbed without having signed one? Similarly, did the players who DID sign the form, not think it strange that a guy who DIDN'T sign the form was still getting injections?

My head hurts.

They were getting injections before Reid got wind of it so they signed consent forms and hid it all again.

 

BTW that is a [censored] disgrace from the afl and essendon, asking for costs after Hunter asked for docs relating to what he'd been injected with. What a bunch of [censored].

 

They were getting injections before Reid got wind of it so they signed consent forms and hid it all again.

 

BTW that is a [censored] disgrace from the afl and essendon, asking for costs after Hunter asked for docs relating to what he'd been injected with. What a bunch of [censored].

Thanks for posting this, Biggestred. I didn't realize they were doing that. As you say, what a disgrace. He has to sue them to find out what chemicals they've injected into his body. Good on him. That's one of the puzzles for me - why is nobody taking legal action to make that smirking lump of blubber Dank tell them what he pumped into them. Even Essendon aren't - you'd think they'd want to know. Only assumption I can make is that they do know - but their "scientist" was so stupid, he didn't realize it was illegal, so when McKenzie or Baker (sorry forget which half of the Dynamic Duo) pointed it out, they destroyed all records.