No, Sheedy got us Hogan, with his greed and revenge, on the club that overlooked him.

if we gave Sheedy the job to coach Us, we may not have gone thru the mill we've been thru, over the last 8 years... he may have got our soft culture sorted,,, since it went off during the mid 90's.

at least Roosy & Co know what they're doing

but did Hatred from some of our coterie & some supporter groups,,, of the likes of LMatthews & Sheedy, keep us in the doll-drums since '98 ???

this IS the real question.... did we cut off our nose, ears, & finger-tips, to spite Matthews & then Sheedy ?

this is the question, the club should answer to all those who follow, the Red & the Blue

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Tapscott and Gysberts were terrible picks.

The first had a body that was never going to work at AFL. The second didn't have the heart for it. And both came to the wrong culture to really end their chances.

That said, the issue wasn't really the 09 draft alone, it was that it came on the back of the 07 and 08 drafts walking in to the same under funded, under prepared and downright terrible footy club.

We weren't complaining about the draft class at the time, nor were we at the end of 2010 when we thought we were on the right track. But whilst things looked good on field we were going further down the dunny behind the scenes.

We ruined most of these guys careers before they already started and Gawn might be the only one to survive it because he was rehabbing his knees and otherwise kept away from the slop fest.

Tapscott and Gysberts were terrible picks.

The first had a body that was never going to work at AFL. The second didn't have the heart for it. And both came to the wrong culture to really end their chances.

That said, the issue wasn't really the 09 draft alone, it was that it came on the back of the 07 and 08 drafts walking in to the same under funded, under prepared and downright terrible footy club.

We weren't complaining about the draft class at the time, nor were we at the end of 2010 when we thought we were on the right track. But whilst things looked good on field we were going further down the dunny behind the scenes.

We ruined most of these guys careers before they already started and Gawn might be the only one to survive it because he was rehabbing his knees and otherwise kept away from the slop fest.

all players came into a spiraling culture from the mid 90's...

the very same spiral the effected us prior to 'checker'.... since the deemize of NSmith, (some say it was that spiral that got Smithy) to after the Barassi/Northey eras.

.....then they let that damn spiral our of its bottle again.

slowly eeking away all the hard work which had been put in to eradicate the softness...

enter a new coach into a softened club on its happy way back down to easy street. with some talent still on list but a culture way toooo happy with itself... thats what that fat lady wrote, & humz along to during her day.

don't kid yourself thinking that TJohnson, BMcLean, CSylvia, BMoloney, all gave birth to the issues.... they were inducted into the issues. & the issues took further grip of the club through denial.

Talia at 11 and Zahararararakis at 18 were my calls. Not great players now but better than Tappy and Gerbals.

Scully and Trenners were clear 1 & 2.

Martin was a punt by the Tigers.

Fyfe was a twig.

Talia at 11 and Zahararararakis at 18 were my calls. Not great players now but better than Tappy and Gerbals.

Scully and Trenners were clear 1 & 2.

Martin was a punt by the Tigers.

Fyfe was a twig.

nice calls sons

i remember wanting talia and luke ball - call his bluff and leveragenhis leadership. vlad's pregnant pause announcing 'luke.............tapscott' was pure theatre.

anyway, ancient history now.

i remember wanting talia and luke ball - call his bluff and leveragenhis leadership. vlad's pregnant pause announcing 'luke.............tapscott' was pure theatre.

anyway, ancient history now.

Wish it was much more ancient history.

It's not worth thrashing about - if it didn't happen we wouldn't have Tyson, Salem, Hogan, Petracca, Brayshaw etc now. It's just part of our path.

The 2009 draft should be a cautionary tale to all, inside and out of the MFC. The way Carlton is parading their draftees around and talking up the value of 'first rounders' at the expense of experience is almost a carbon copy of our carrying on.

We should all remember the mistakes (most) made in over-valuing talent over output when we label out current crop of kids as future 'superstars' and 'elite'. I'd say you could mount an argument that Trengove and Scully both outperformed Brayshaw in their first years, and Gysberts first two games and Scully's performance against the Bulldogs on a wet Friday night were amongst the best produced by a first year demon in about 20 years.

I blame the 2009 draft on the fact that they raised the draft age to 18, limiting the amount of players available we could pick to about a 9 month window?

If only they changed the rule a year before and we would have had another year to look at watts and Dangerfield would have been available in 08 ?

On 26/11/2015, 8:30:45, Chook said:

The dangers of placing all our hope in unknown teenagers.

The dangers of placing all our hope in Barry P.

On 11/27/2015, 7:34:42, DemonAndrew said:

i remember wanting talia and luke ball - call his bluff and leveragenhis leadership. vlad's pregnant pause announcing 'luke.............tapscott' was pure theatre.

 

anyway, ancient history now.

It wasn't Vlad was it? I thought it was Barry P

On 26 November 2015 at 07:09:47, Satan said:

Overall set us back years.

Scully, Gysberts, Tapscott and Fitzpatrick gone.

Trengove injured last 2 years

Gawn finally established himself after a couple of ACL's.

Missed out on Martin, Fyfe from first 20 picks when we had 4 picks.

Unluckly on injured players, Scully enough said, 11 and 18 killed us.

We essentially got hogan for scully.

might be the best result possible 

Gysberts was the only real dud selection there, taken way before expected, thanks Barry.

On 11/26/2015, 10:27:27, Uncle Fester said:

Scully got us Hogan.

It was a great draft

Best in living memory

expectamus, movere deinceps

We have become Richmond from the early 2000's which didn't make a finals appearance for 12 seasons. 

On 11/26/2015, 7:20:33, dazzledavey36 said:

Lol i remember saying that in 6 years time we'll win a premiership with Trengove, Scully, Tapscott and Gysberts in it... yuk..

Facebook showed me a "memory" a few weeks back. I said something like, "Trengove, Scully, Sylvia, Mclean, Watts, Morton midfield = Melbourne flag in 2012".

 

fmd.