I used to talk to Cameron Schwab at the the footy, and while he undoubtedly left us in a very bad state, I doubt I've met a more passionate MFC person, apart from Jimmy.

So yes he fucked up, we know it, I'm sure he knows it and I'm willing to bet he was as upset about it all as we were.

We're in a better place now, we should probably enjoy that and move on.

Agreed.

I don't know why people choose to hold grudges anyway. It happened, they're gone now and have no power over us anymore, so why waste emotional energy on maintaining the rage?

I used to talk to Cameron Schwab at the the footy, and while he undoubtedly left us in a very bad state, I doubt I've met a more passionate MFC person, apart from Jimmy.

So yes he [censored] up, we know it, I'm sure he knows it and I'm willing to bet he was as upset about it all as we were.

We're in a better place now, we should probably enjoy that and move on.

I just like posting photos of him because there seems to be one for every situation.

I'm a big believer that we should not remain bitter about his time at the club as quite frankly hate and bitterness will do more harm to the hater than the hated in the end. I think a lot of these conversations about him are navel gazing of the worst kind and just lead to unnecessary aggro. However, to say that he was some kind of misunderstood soul is disingenuous.

We are saying he is a Demon.

If you are not bitter then show it.

This club is not big enough to hold grudges on our own.

We are saying he is a Demon.

If you are not bitter then show it.

This club is not big enough to hold grudges on our own.

I won't bring his name up unilaterally and for no reason. As I said, the fact we haven't spoken about him as much has been one of the best parts of the last two years.

I DON'T want to go on and on about him. It's old hat. We are in a better place and it's not worth banging on about.

That being said, as I said in the first paragraph of the post that you referenced, I don't accept historical rewrites either. I will respond to them and give (I'm not trying to sound too grandiose or self important here) what I feel are the true version of events. I will grant, and I said this at the time he was at the club, that Schwab was not a Blofeld style James Bond villain plotting and scheming our downfall. On the other hand, It should also be said that it's misleading to portray him as some kind of pure figure either.

Edited November 20, 20159 yr by Colin B. Flaubert

Let's be honest please. Schwab took us all on a bad ride

He was right out of his depth and had no answers

Just compare his tenure with that of PJ

POLES APART

He paid himself a top wage after 186 whilst the entire club was falling apart.

PJ is a real CEO

Schwab talked.

I think now we should drop the Schwab stuff. We've all said our piece. It's old and rehashing it serves no purpose. I felt I needed to set the record straight on a few things but I have no further desire to talk about him and I'm sure most of the posters on here have no desire to do so either.
Let's just celebrate the fact that we have PJ for 2 more years!

Edited November 20, 20159 yr by Colin B. Flaubert

Also a good reminder for the coming season or 2.

"I'm sure there will be some tough times ahead and we might still get whacked from time to time but we are on the right path."

Very pleased with the re-signing, but I don't like this comment at all (PJ's, not you Cards).

What happened to playing finals in 2016?

I understand the need to manage expectations, but the season is 4 months away and the CEO is already offering pre-emptive excuses for thrashings and poor performances which haven't even happened.

We're not world-beaters so there's point pretending otherwise, but the sub-text here is that we're still a bit of a basket case and a certain level of mediocrity is to be expected, and even tolerated.

It's a terrible message to send to new players and supporters alike.

Very pleased with the re-signing, but I don't like this comment at all (PJ's, not you Cards).

What happened to playing finals in 2016?

I understand the need to manage expectations, but the season is 4 months away and the CEO is already offering pre-emptive excuses for thrashings and poor performances which haven't even happened.

We're not world-beaters so there's point pretending otherwise, but the sub-text here is that we're still a bit of a basket case and a certain level of mediocrity is to be expected, and even tolerated.

It's a terrible message to send to new players and supporters alike.

I wouldn't go that far.

I hope that (and I can't be sure about this) he is referring to the on field side of things. If he is talking about admin. then I would be worried as those are things that they should have greater control over. Though on that side, I'm very comfortable if you look at how signings/re-signings have been handled and how we handled our brand relaunch. Hell, even when they arsed up the open training this year (?), the club was out on the front foot straight away apologizing.

I think the words time to time are key here. The frequency of when we get thoroughly outclassed should be 'time to time' (read occasionally) thing and not a weekly thing as it was before. Experiencing hard times is a given as hard times should not always be equated with defeat. I view going through hard times as facing adversity but ultimately pulling through that adversity be it injuries, tough draws or other circumstances.

I won't bring his name up unilaterally and for no reason. As I said, the fact we haven't spoken about him as much has been one of the best parts of the last two years.

I DON'T want to go on and on about him. It's old hat. We are in a better place and it's not worth banging on about.

That being said, as I said in the first paragraph of the post that you referenced, I don't accept historical rewrites either. I will respond to them and give (I'm not trying to sound too grandiose or self important here) what I feel are the true version of events. I will grant, and I said this at the time he was at the club, that Schwab was not a Blofeld style James Bond villain plotting and scheming our downfall. On the other hand, It should also be said that it's misleading to portray him as some kind of pure figure either.

When has anyone said this? 'Pure figure'?!...

Ironically, you are misrepresenting the views of those of us who are happy we have moved on from his leadership but that won't eternally damn him for it, and would welcome him back to the G to watch the club he loves.

When has anyone said this? 'Pure figure'?!...

Ironically, you are misrepresenting the views of those of us who are happy we have moved on from his leadership but that won't eternally damn him for it, and would welcome him back to the G to watch the club he loves.

I have said my piece. Take it for what it's worth. If you don't agree with my assessment of how I see things then so be it.

As I said, as far as I'm concerned, the discussion concerning Schwab has already derailed this thread and should come to an end. This is my last post concerning it.

By the way, no one literally called him a 'pure figure'. It was how I perceived what was being said.

Edited November 20, 20159 yr by Colin B. Flaubert

The thread is not derailed at all

Merely comparing one CEO with another

One being highly competent whilst the other was clueless

The ENERGY Sponsorship Scam summed it all up...then we went on National Telly to beg for another.

the 2 are Eons apart

Very pleased with the re-signing, but I don't like this comment at all (PJ's, not you Cards).

What happened to playing finals in 2016?

I understand the need to manage expectations, but the season is 4 months away and the CEO is already offering pre-emptive excuses for thrashings and poor performances which haven't even happened.

We're not world-beaters so there's point pretending otherwise, but the sub-text here is that we're still a bit of a basket case and a certain level of mediocrity is to be expected, and even tolerated.

It's a terrible message to send to new players and supporters alike.

I wouldn't read to much into it, he's right. It is a different players club now it has turned the corner but we are still not going to fast but it is building up.

Anyone who has anything to do with the dees should definetely be committed.

Does this mean we can get discounts on cheap suits and smokes?

Agreed.

I don't know why people choose to hold grudges anyway. It happened, they're gone now and have no power over us anymore, so why waste emotional energy on maintaining the rage?

I don't usually hold a grudge 'Nasher' but the last 8 years haven't left me in a good frame of mind.

It will be a distant memory when we are back playing finals with a shot at the flag, until then...

I don't usually hold a grudge 'Nasher' but the last 8 years haven't left me in a good frame of mind.

It will be a distant memory when we are back playing finals with a shot at the flag, until then...

Yes, well, playing in a GF 4 years after the Merger really brought out the best from Demons fans - there are still people that feel ostracised for backing the merger nearly two decades later... Some on here still gnash their teeth about it from time to time.

The Hawks moved on but we love getting stuck in the mud...

Yes, well, playing in a GF 4 years after the Merger really brought out the best from Demons fans - there are still people that feel ostracised for backing the merger nearly two decades later... Some on here still gnash their teeth about it from time to time.

The Hawks moved on but we love getting stuck in the mud...

1) if they feel ostracised they need to harden up and get over it

2) The Hawks voted against the merger we didn't

Yes, well, playing in a GF 4 years after the Merger really brought out the best from Demons fans - there are still people that feel ostracised for backing the merger nearly two decades later... Some on here still gnash their teeth about it from time to time.

The Hawks moved on but we love getting stuck in the mud...

I'm purely talking of how I feel about the last 8 years 'rpfc'. It's not about getting stuck in mud, I'm happy that pretty much all responsible have been moved on now and we seem to be on the right path.

I don't feel particularly charitable to CS, Lyon and the board that oversaw the disaster.

1) if they feel ostracised they need to harden up and get over it

2) The Hawks voted against the merger we didn't

No, you need to get over it.

Point proven.

Hey

I have thought of a great idea

How about a thread devoted to and restricted to our happiness that PJ has re-signed

Hey

I have thought of a great idea

How about a thread devoted to and restricted to our happiness that PJ has re-signed

...believe me, I was so happy the day that PJ walked into our club and even more so that he is staying on.

Hey

I have thought of a great idea

How about a thread devoted to and restricted to our happiness that PJ has re-signed

Once the fawning is done, should we close the thread?

Stability is the key to our clubs continued upward trend, we created stability in the coaching ranks by signing Roos for the 3 years and then getting a successor for him for another 3 years after that, and now that PJ has committed to another 2 years we know the club is in good hands up at the top of management.

Stability is the key to our clubs continued upward trend, we created stability in the coaching ranks by signing Roos for the 3 years and then getting a successor for him for another 3 years after that, and now that PJ has committed to another 2 years we know the club is in good hands up at the top of management.

Yep. What in looking forward to now is the next step. PJ was always planning short term but is he now planning long term? Hopefully part of this extension he has stated if this is definitely it or if he is open to staying on.

If the former, hopefully we start putting a succession plan in place. That may mean recruitment with an eye to internal stability. Or it may mean setting our sights on a target within the industry.

Whatever happens, I hope PJ helps over see that transition too.

It is an amazing feeling, 3 years of stability for our club with a promise of 5. I can't remember the pay tone we went that long without agitation or a coup.