38 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

one thing is noticeable is the relative lack of muscle development through the core, in the thighs, and across the shoulders and in the biceps.

 

he has thickened out somewhat, but he was a super skinny kid when he came in, and he's a pretty skinny man now.

 

he's long and lean. perhaps he should've been a swimmer.

Wish I looked like him. 

My New Year's Resolution is to stop bashing Watts.

The scrutiny on him = the rest of the team put together.

Hope he has a great season.

Happy New Year!

16 hours ago, Curry & Beer said:

what on earth do you mean?

Some are saying that he's been ignored on the field...not popular with the playing group.

Just now, jumbo returns said:

Some are saying that he's been ignored on the field...not popular with the playing group.

are you saying the video proves or disproves that contention?

The latter.

58 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

The latter.

With respect, a handful of examples doesn't exactly prove that. Need a much bigger sample size (Statistics 101)!! e.g. watching him over an entire season, or seasons.

However, your perception is your reality. As is mine!! That's why we have these forums. It's nice if, despite disagreeing, we can all be nice to each other.

We certainly are ad idem in hoping JW has a great 2016. One thing we all agree on is that he is a ripping bloke

 

 

 

28 minutes ago, bingers said:

With respect, a handful of examples doesn't exactly prove that. Need a much bigger sample size (Statistics 101)!! e.g. watching him over an entire season, or seasons.

However, your perception is your reality. As is mine!! That's why we have these forums. It's nice if, despite disagreeing, we can all be nice to each other.

We certainly are ad idem in hoping JW has a great 2016. One thing we all agree on is that he is a ripping bloke

 

 

 

Absolutely, on all accounts...

Happy New Year.

Hmmn,   what, Jack Watts in 2016 ???????      

 

oh yeah..... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxS6YE0gKm4

9 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

Some are saying that he's been ignored on the field...not popular with the playing group.

At games, I see Jack lead a hell of a lot and either not get the pass or have it kicked high and long rather than out in front.  What I can't tell is whether this is because his teammates aren't looking for/seeing him or if he's not timing his leads properly.  In a few games I've re-watched in the off-season I've heard commentators say a few times that he takes off just a few seconds too early so he's running through space a moment before they are ready to pass to him.  If this is the case, then a minor adjustment to his play could reap massive rewards. 

I suspect that the reality is a mix of several factors.  As above, he sometimes leads too early.  He needs to fix that.  Likewise, our mids have historically been terrible at hitting a leading target, most often going too high and either forcing them to stop and wait for the defender to crash into them or going right over them and straight into the defender's hands.  I have often suspected that awareness of this lack in kicking skill has lead to a reluctance to take that kick and instead they hold up and look for a safer option or a good contest on the boundary.  Hopefully the addition of more skilled young players will lead to more willingness to take the attacking option in the future. 

9 hours ago, dee-luded said:

Hmmn,   what, Jack Watts in 2016 ???????      

 

oh yeah..... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxS6YE0gKm4

I'd ban you for this negative crapp and the continual abuse and bullying of Watts. And it's nothing personal against you.

It just fascinates and disappoints me that MFC supporters can't get behind him and feel the need to continually belittle and denigrate him. It's mean spirited and totally contrary to being a supporter. 

Reality is probably that he's neither as bad as many make out or as good as some suggest. But he's got personal characteristics that leave many here for dead and he diserves so much better than what this forum regularly dishes up. 

Fact is he is on our list. He will get a game if the coaches think he deserves one. He may flourish in a better team or he may lose his place. I don't know what will happen but I hope he succeeds.

but what I do know is this site should have the balls to put an end to the continual abuse and bullying of this player. Everybody's had their say, let's see what happens. 

10 hours ago, dee-luded said:

Hmmn,   what, Jack Watts in 2016 ???????      

 

oh yeah..... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxS6YE0gKm4

Can I unlike this, dee - el?

2 hours ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I'd ban you for this negative crapp and the continual abuse and bullying of Watts. And it's nothing personal against you.

It just fascinates and disappoints me that MFC supporters can't get behind him and feel the need to continually belittle and denigrate him. It's mean spirited and totally contrary to being a supporter. 

Reality is probably that he's neither as bad as many make out or as good as some suggest. But he's got personal characteristics that leave many here for dead and he diserves so much better than what this forum regularly dishes up. 

Fact is he is on our list. He will get a game if the coaches think he deserves one. He may flourish in a better team or he may lose his place. I don't know what will happen but I hope he succeeds.

but what I do know is this site should have the balls to put an end to the continual abuse and bullying of this player. Everybody's had their say, let's see what happens. 

well bbob,  this indifference to our supporters is the very reason you should NEVER be anywhere near our off field clubs activities...  you would further distance the club & supporters,  taking the club to the brink,  instead of listening, hearing, & growing.

 

I certainly hope you haven't had a hand in our past, as I think you show an arrogance with others that would only hurt a sporting club,  & if it spread thru the clubs playing group, could add to the club becoming what it is now trying to clear out.

 

6 hours ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I'd ban you for this negative crapp and the continual abuse and bullying of Watts. And it's nothing personal against you.

I pretty much just lurk here but I just wanted to say that I heavily disagree with this sentiment (and JW is probably my favourite player too). Fact is, this is an internet forum where people have their own opinions and everything and it's inevitable that some of this creeps into postings - every player cops it, albeit some much more than most. Banning someone for having negative opinions of a player is bad because it reduces the amount of independent thought posted on this site. Yeah people could be definitely be nicer with their comments, but you know, everyone's entitled to free speech and you're entitled to disapprove if you disagree with their comments. But banning someone for being harsh towards a player is a bit much to me.

I also don't think his post was really abuse; I read it just as being tired of the continual expectations of Jack. But yeah, maybe I read it wrongly!

On 12/18/2015 at 10:36 PM, ENYAW said:

Watts,Dawes,Spencer and Grimes will need to lift in 2016 or they will perish from the seniors.

These guys are "insurance players" to cover any injuries. Yes Watts may be in trouble if Weideman comes on quickly. Pencil is our no 2 ruckman and well ahead of the King boys at this stage. This is what depth is all about, have your best 22 and then be able to cover injuries with these guys.

1 hour ago, Amoeba said:

I pretty much just lurk here but I just wanted to say that I heavily disagree with this sentiment (and JW is probably my favourite player too). Fact is, this is an internet forum where people have their own opinions and everything and it's inevitable that some of this creeps into postings - every player cops it, albeit some much more than most. Banning someone for having negative opinions of a player is bad because it reduces the amount of independent thought posted on this site. Yeah people could be definitely be nicer with their comments, but you know, everyone's entitled to free speech and you're entitled to disapprove if you disagree with their comments. But banning someone for being harsh towards a player is a bit much to me.

I also don't think his post was really abuse; I read it just as being tired of the continual expectations of Jack. But yeah, maybe I read it wrongly!

Yeah.....nah...

Watts is clearly capable of so much as the highlight reel below demonstrates. He's also out of contract at the end of 2016, meaning it will be interesting to see whether the club considers Watts as a priotrity to resign based on the glimpses he's shown throughout his career. Personally,  I have my fingers-crossed for Watts to produce a good season for us in 2016. I feel that he legitimately loves the club despite all of the criticism he's received since he debuted. 

 

1 hour ago, Demon Jack said:

Watts is clearly capable of so much as the highlight reel below demonstrates. He's also out of contract at the end of 2016, meaning it will be interesting to see whether the club considers Watts as a priotrity to resign based on the glimpses he's shown throughout his career. Personally,  I have my fingers-crossed for Watts to produce a good season for us in 2016. I feel that he legitimately loves the club despite all of the criticism he's received since he debuted. 

 

Those highlights are underwhelming as a whole.

23 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Those highlights are underwhelming as a whole.

Why don't you post some highlights from your career Clint? In that way Watts and the other untalented players on our list can aspire to greater heights!

Jack will get a bit of interest being out of contract, sides have seen how well he can play in a junk team. So if they are prepared to take Howe and others they will be falling over themselves to see what they can do with a jack watts once he is in a quality team. We need to be that quality team that gets the best out of jack.

 

2 hours ago, Deecisive said:

Jack will get a bit of interest being out of contract, sides have seen how well he can play in a junk team. So if they are prepared to take Howe and others they will be falling over themselves to see what they can do with a jack watts once he is in a quality team. We need to be that quality team that gets the best out of jack.

 

I've said before, jw needs to be out of Melbourne city,  & ideally should go to the Suns under Eade.   IMO,  Eade will straighten out a kid like watts,  & being away from mah will surely help.

the watts candle is burning down before it's shone brightly,  he's in the twilight of his time with us,  needs to warm up before the night time snuffing occurs.

 

 

If Jack Watts didnt play a single game this season, hardly anyone in the football world would say "Poor Melbourne are without JW this week". Thats the sad reality. When he gets dropped for form or injury i dont care one bit as i know that we wont be any worse off as a team for his absence. I hate the fact i can say this without any guilt whatsoever as he has the best weighted kick in the game as far as im concerned. I cant name a single player who can drop a ball into space and make a leading forward run to that spot at full tilt to get the mark like Jack can................

That one skill does not make up for his absolute inability to impact a contest. I gave up forever when he was pantsed 1:1 by Jamie Bennell. Until that time i hoped, week after week, that the penny would drop.

Sublime skills but soft, physically weak, and scared of the contest. Will be traded when his contract is up unless he discovers courage. Nobody with footy I.Q. should care.

Welcome to the new, Hard MFC.

4 minutes ago, ding said:

If Jack Watts didnt play a single game this season, hardly anyone in the football world would say "Poor Melbourne are without JW this week". Thats the sad reality. When he gets dropped for form or injury i dont care one bit as i know that we wont be any worse off as a team for his absence. I hate the fact i can say this without any guilt whatsoever as he has the best weighted kick in the game as far as im concerned. I cant name a single player who can drop a ball into space and make a leading forward run to that spot at full tilt to get the mark like Jack can................

That one skill does not make up for his absolute inability to impact a contest. I gave up forever when he was pantsed 1:1 by Jamie Bennell. Until that time i hoped, week after week, that the penny would drop.

Sublime skills but soft, physically weak, and scared of the contest. Will be traded when his contract is up unless he discovers courage. Nobody with footy I.Q. should care.

Welcome to the new, Hard MFC.

What a load of malarkey! No one playing at this level is soft or scared! Would be found out quickly especially by someone who's supposedly the best coach in the world.

11 hours ago, CBDees said:

Why don't you post some highlights from your career Clint? In that way Watts and the other untalented players on our list can aspire to greater heights!

Wait, I'm sorry I thought I was on a Melbourne Football Club forum where we discuss and give opinions on all things Melbourne Football Club related.

My mistake.

21 hours ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I'd ban you for this negative crapp and the continual abuse and bullying of Watts. And it's nothing personal against you.

It just fascinates and disappoints me that MFC supporters can't get behind him and feel the need to continually belittle and denigrate him. It's mean spirited and totally contrary to being a supporter. 

Reality is probably that he's neither as bad as many make out or as good as some suggest. But he's got personal characteristics that leave many here for dead and he diserves so much better than what this forum regularly dishes up. 

Fact is he is on our list. He will get a game if the coaches think he deserves one. He may flourish in a better team or he may lose his place. I don't know what will happen but I hope he succeeds.

but what I do know is this site should have the balls to put an end to the continual abuse and bullying of this player. Everybody's had their say, let's see what happens. 

Bafonic post. 

Belittle and denigrate or constructive criticism? 

Contrary to being a supporter or opinionated, paid up and pi$$ed off?

Personal characteristics....who cares? I remember the poster( I won't name him) that suggested Jack Grimes should get a game because he's one of our best public speakers. Watts is paid good money to play footy, anything else is secondary. This year is make or break for a number of players on our list, including three highly paid players in Watts/Dawes/Grimes (speculation but possibly 1.2 million a season for the 3 of them). The club has and is continuing to grow, standards are now higher as are the expectations of the supporters. The players that haven't bought into Roos "non negotiables" will be left behind.

Having said that criticism of any player warranted or not should be reserved for when the season starts.  

 

 

Edited January 1, 20169 yr by Bombay Airconditioning

I thought those highlights were great stuff.

Makes you realise how many times in crunch situations he kicked important goals.

There is still no one better in our side who I would rather have the ball in hand than Jack Watts except maybe ,Bernie Vince and the up and coming Salem.