1 minute ago, stuie said:

Yeahhhhhhhh I thought you had me blocked? You've made a point of mentioning it time after time.

But yeahhhhhhhh feel free to let Roosy know roles and structures don't matter anymore, anyone can play anywhere, cos you know, he hardly ever talks about roles..... Yeahhhhhh

 

wow. that was YOU who said you blocked ME. You really have lost the plot

 

19 minutes ago, stuie said:

Yeahhhhhhhh none of those players play a remotely similar role to that being asked of Watts.... Bit like saying Gawn's spot is in danger because Lumumba's ankles will be right next year

All jokes aside what is his role?

HFF? FP?

Both those positions can be filled by competive skilled mids.

Just dropped in after about 17 pages of absence. Looks to me like a shiPload of electrons have been sent flying around the Internet and made absolutely no impact on their targets. 

Back in another 17 pages or so.

On 21 December 2015 at 4:41 PM, deanox said:

I am always happy to give him a break. 

 

Why?  Because he is a good bloke,  who tries hard and is a good club man. If he isn't up to it, the way we'd like him to be,  he will get repaved when better players take his spot. He isn't commanding crazy high salary. He isn't settong a poor off field example for others.  He isn't wasting his talent by not traininf hard or by partying. 

 

When Watts stops getting a game this team will have seriously improved.  Until then he offers a better on field option than many other available options while at the same time offering off field value. 

Why the hate? 

No hate from me. I rate the bloke - on and off the field.

He'll prove many of the haters wrong in 2016.

 

1 hour ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

All jokes aside what is his role?

HFF? FP?

Both those positions can be filled by competive skilled mids.

Hey BA, no coin, but let's catch up at the footy, and I'll buy you a beer and cheer on my boy, and you can jeer him

That's if he's playing of course

PS HFF and leave him there!

On 18/12/2015 at 10:36 PM, ENYAW said:

Watts,Dawes,Spencer and Grimes will need to lift in 2016 or they will perish from the seniors.

Grimesy has to improve, or he will be in the same shoes as Howe was. 

Dawes is cokked in my mind... don't think he has it any longer...  last year me thinks...  el peders` is a better back up option i think.

Spencer IMO still has some improvement in him.  even as 2nd fiddle.

Watts, on 2nd, or 3rd; but definately NOT on first...  fuse is burning down to the wick.

5 minutes ago, dee-luded said:

Grimesy has to improve, or he will be in the same shoes as Howe was. 

Dawes is cokked in my mind... don't think he has it any longer...  last year me thinks...  el peders` is a better back up option i think.

Spencer IMO still has some improvement in him.  even as 2nd fiddle.

Watts, on 2nd, or 3rd; but definately NOT on first...  fuse is burning down to the wick.

Dawes is 'cokked' DL? Where is this going?

I'm a fan, but I'm afraid injuries may have ravaged him....

40 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Dawes is 'cokked' DL? Where is this going?

I'm a fan, but I'm afraid injuries may have ravaged him....

it was a 'typo' until I noticed it,  then changed it,  then redid it 'as original',  as the words express the freudian sentiment perfectly.   hes almost in the soup.  'casey soup',  me thinks.

well he's getting 'ravaged' one way or another, but the end is nigh'...  my dear jumbo.

1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

Hey BA, no coin, but let's catch up at the footy, and I'll buy you a beer and cheer on my boy, and you can jeer him

That's if he's playing of course

PS HFF and leave him there!

Sounds good Jumbo, count me in mate.

2 hours ago, bjDee said:

Just dropped in after about 17 pages of absence. Looks to me like a shiPload of electrons have been sent flying around the Internet and made absolutely no impact on their targets. 

Back in another 17 pages or so.

probably about as many electrons as there are bubbles in beer,  don't know about the target,  he's the only one with the power over his electrons,  & so far they're as flat as pizza on a plate.

Watts is one of a group of players that we need to see real improvement from if we're to be any hope of making finals.

For me our biggest weakness is our inability to find the ball on the outside enough, it's the root cause of a number of our problems. Ball movement will be faster and more efficient if the right guys are getting it on the outside, that will mean more inside 50's and higher scores. Watts would be a weapon if he can get his hands on it 20+ times a game. Last season our leading uncontested possession per game player was Jack Grimes who would too often go sideways or backwards or give off a dinky little kick. We need to get the ball to blokes who'll take the game on.

Watts, Salem, Stretch, Lumumba, Grimes and Melksham. These are the guys that will decide if we play finals this year IMO. If 4 of these guys can average around 20 touches a game and do it playing with urgency and taking the game on while finding plenty of handball receives, we will play finals next year.

FWIW I think our contested game is developing nicely and will only improve as Viney, Tyson, Brayshaw and Oliver develop. 

5 minutes ago, furious d said:

Watts is one of a group of players that we need to see real improvement from if we're to be any hope of making finals.

For me our biggest weakness is our inability to find the ball on the outside enough, it's the root cause of a number of our problems. Ball movement will be faster and more efficient if the right guys are getting it on the outside, that will mean more inside 50's and higher scores. Watts would be a weapon if he can get his hands on it 20+ times a game. Last season our leading uncontested possession per game player was Jack Grimes who would too often go sideways or backwards or give off a dinky little kick. We need to get the ball to blokes who'll take the game on.

Watts, Salem, Stretch, Lumumba, Grimes and Melksham. These are the guys that will decide if we play finals this year IMO. If 4 of these guys can average around 20 touches a game and do it playing with urgency and taking the game on while finding plenty of handball receives, we will play finals next year.

FWIW I think our contested game is developing nicely and will only improve as Viney, Tyson, Brayshaw and Oliver develop. 

And Trengrove, Vanders and Petracca!

I don't need to see Watts crash a pack of spear himself at a ground ball contest because we've got enough of those players.

I would however be happy to witness a higher intensity and fierceness shown in his tackling efforts. Some of them have just been plain lame over the years with his general tackling technique poorly executed.

 

45 minutes ago, furious d said:

Watts is one of a group of players that we need to see real improvement from if we're to be any hope of making finals.

For me our biggest weakness is our inability to find the ball on the outside enough, it's the root cause of a number of our problems. Ball movement will be faster and more efficient if the right guys are getting it on the outside, that will mean more inside 50's and higher scores. Watts would be a weapon if he can get his hands on it 20+ times a game. Last season our leading uncontested possession per game player was Jack Grimes who would too often go sideways or backwards or give off a dinky little kick. We need to get the ball to blokes who'll take the game on.

Watts, Salem, Stretch, Lumumba, Grimes and Melksham. These are the guys that will decide if we play finals this year IMO. If 4 of these guys can average around 20 touches a game and do it playing with urgency and taking the game on while finding plenty of handball receives, we will play finals next year.

FWIW I think our contested game is developing nicely and will only improve as Viney, Tyson, Brayshaw and Oliver develop. 

Good post. I'd add that we need those players you've mentioned to, in addition to getting 20 plus touches a game,  run and carry more and deliver the ball long and accurately into our forward line. This is a crucial element to breaking the modern high press that most teams employ. The Hawks are brilliant at it

When we did run and carry from half back last year we looked dangerous. Ironically one of the few who did it with any regularity was Brayshaw, who as you say is more an inside player. Lumumba and the Melk will no doubt be encouraged to play that role.

I made a similar commitment last season about  Watts needing to average more than 20 touches a game. Sure he needs to attack the ball more etc etc but i think that area of his game hides his real weakness, which is he doesn't get enough of the pill. In the six full seasons he has played the highest average disposal is 18.53 in 2012. As you say he has to get that to 20 plus to be the weapon we need him to be. 

Edited December 23, 20159 yr by binman

1 hour ago, furious d said:

Watts is one of a group of players that we need to see real improvement from if we're to be any hope of making finals.

For me our biggest weakness is our inability to find the ball on the outside enough, it's the root cause of a number of our problems. Ball movement will be faster and more efficient if the right guys are getting it on the outside, that will mean more inside 50's and higher scores. Watts would be a weapon if he can get his hands on it 20+ times a game. Last season our leading uncontested possession per game player was Jack Grimes who would too often go sideways or backwards or give off a dinky little kick. We need to get the ball to blokes who'll take the game on.

Watts, Salem, Stretch, Lumumba, Grimes and Melksham. These are the guys that will decide if we play finals this year IMO. If 4 of these guys can average around 20 touches a game and do it playing with urgency and taking the game on while finding plenty of handball receives, we will play finals next year.

FWIW I think our contested game is developing nicely and will only improve as Viney, Tyson, Brayshaw and Oliver develop. 

I don't consider Grimes best 22 and The Prince could also be in trouble.

The only is of concern for me is how many WATTS are the kids going to use before I have to get a second job. Or was that KILOWATTS

On 23 December 2015 at 2:39 PM, furious d said:

Watts is one of a group of players that we need to see real improvement from if we're to be any hope of making finals.

For me our biggest weakness is our inability to find the ball on the outside enough, it's the root cause of a number of our problems. Ball movement will be faster and more efficient if the right guys are getting it on the outside, that will mean more inside 50's and higher scores. Watts would be a weapon if he can get his hands on it 20+ times a game. Last season our leading uncontested possession per game player was Jack Grimes who would too often go sideways or backwards or give off a dinky little kick. We need to get the ball to blokes who'll take the game on.

Watts, Salem, Stretch, Lumumba, Grimes and Melksham. These are the guys that will decide if we play finals this year IMO. If 4 of these guys can average around 20 touches a game and do it playing with urgency and taking the game on while finding plenty of handball receives, we will play finals next year.

FWIW I think our contested game is developing nicely and will only improve as Viney, Tyson, Brayshaw and Oliver develop. 

If our rise up the ladder hinges on players like Grimes and The Prince it is well and truly game over.

7 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

If our rise up the ladder hinges on players like Grimes and The Prince it is well and truly game over.

I said 4 of those 6, so clearly nothing hinges on any 2 of them.

Lumumba had a shocker last year, I expect significant improvement this year. 

Unlike you and others I haven't written Grimes off yet, just like I never gave up on Nev Jetta. Grimes played ok last season,  his confidence is still shot though. When he gets the ball his first thought is to not stuff up, so he takes too long looking for the safest option. He needs to think less. I'm not sure he can get over the scars of his career so far but if he does he'll be best 22 for sure.

11 hours ago, ENYAW said:

The only is of concern for me is how many WATTS are the kids going to use before I have to get a second job. Or was that KILOWATTS

Are you on a mission to revive threads? You have done it on multiple ones in the last 12 hours, including one at least, that was basically finished one month ago.

Edited December 26, 20159 yr by Redleg

4 hours ago, furious d said:

I said 4 of those 6, so clearly nothing hinges on any 2 of them.

Lumumba had a shocker last year, I expect significant improvement this year. 

Unlike you and others I haven't written Grimes off yet, just like I never gave up on Nev Jetta. Grimes played ok last season,  his confidence is still shot though. When he gets the ball his first thought is to not stuff up, so he takes too long looking for the safest option. He needs to think less. I'm not sure he can get over the scars of his career so far but if he does he'll be best 22 for sure.

Well it comes down to a few things. 

If you consider them all to be best 22, then they all must lift. We've been carrying passengers for years. We can't have depth until we have a best 22, and at this stage I think that is still undecided.

A lot of people keep referring to Jetta as a player who came good. Let's keep that in perspective, he plays back pocket, yes he plays his role with great efficiency but his role is concentrated around shutting down his immediate opponent, not setting up play coming out of defence. His role at times requires him to be more reactive then proactive, I say that because yes he thinks and puts himself in the right spots by reading the play but at times all small defenders can do is follow their man around. Players like Betts, Wingard, Rioli and Stevie J are so hard for defenders to play against because half the time they don't even know themselves what they're about to do. Jetta's disposal is serviceable for the role he plays, it's not elite nor is he kicking them out on the full. I love his aggression and attack on the ball/ball carrier. He tackles to hurt. Grimes is entering his ninth season and still struggles in a major way with two fundamental basics of the game, disposal and decision making. His defensive capabilities are sound but it's not enough, not for the position he plays and not after 8 seasons. Midfield isn't an option not even as a stopper. I think this is Grimes last year at the club possibly in the AFL. I'd be very surprised if Richmond wants him. If we have minimal injuries he'll be lucky to play a game in 2016. H takes the game on, has aggression in his game, offers some run but after nine seasons his disposal needs improvement. He also goes missing for large periods of games. He has two seasons to go on his contract then he can go too. 

 

Give the hell in 2016 JW as OD needs another flag before he mores on to a better place.

Edited December 27, 20159 yr by DemonFrog

Just now, DemonFrog said:

Give the hell in 2016 JW as OD needs another flag before he moves on to a better place.

 

The best thing about 2016 for Jack is that he is irrelevant.

He is not the saviour he is nobody. Time for Jack to cement a spot

intensity. he don't got it

11 hours ago, DemonFrog said:

Give the hell in 2016 JW as OD needs another flag before he mores on to a better place.

If we get a flag in 2016, there won't be a better place!