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GWS handing out cheap top 10 picks

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GWS are near certain to use their best picks this year on 2 academy kids who are predicted to go early in the first round. They have pick 8 and will get pick 7 from Collingwood for Treloar.

They've worked out that because they don't need the picks alone but only the points that come with picks that they can auction off the top 10 picks for 2 picks in the 20's and then use those for the bidding.

Essendon's picks 23 and 25 combine to more points than pick 8, so they can trade them and get a top 10 pick pretty cheaply.

Sounds to me that once again through a lack of knowledge and abstract thinking around the rules we've missed an opportunity here.

Instead of Milkshake we could've loaded up our 2nd rounder and possibly Collingwood's as part of the Howe deal and got another pick in the 10 ten.

Have we missed a trick once again?

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      On 15/10/2015 at 10:24, Georgiou R.R. Martin said:

    GWS are near certain to use their best picks this year on 2 academy kids who are predicted to go early in the first round. They have pick 8 and will get pick 7 from Collingwood for Treloar.

    They've worked out that because they don't need the picks alone but only the points that come with picks that they can auction off the top 10 picks for 2 picks in the 20's and then use those for the bidding.

    Essendon's picks 23 and 25 combine to more points than pick 8, so they can trade them and get a top 10 pick pretty cheaply.

    Sounds to me that once again through a lack of knowledge and abstract thinking around the rules we've missed an opportunity here.

    Instead of Milkshake we could've loaded up our 2nd rounder and possibly Collingwood's as part of the Howe deal and got another pick in the 10 ten.

    Have we missed a trick once again?

    Seems that way.

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    What's in it for GWS though?

    Either way, your point is well made. No AFL rule change goes by without the smarter teams almost immediately working out how to manipulate the system.

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      On 15/10/2015 at 10:24, Georgiou R.R. Martin said:

    GWS are near certain to use their best picks this year on 2 academy kids who are predicted to go early in the first round. They have pick 8 and will get pick 7 from Collingwood for Treloar.

    They've worked out that because they don't need the picks alone but only the points that come with picks that they can auction off the top 10 picks for 2 picks in the 20's and then use those for the bidding.

    Essendon's picks 23 and 25 combine to more points than pick 8, so they can trade them and get a top 10 pick pretty cheaply.

    Sounds to me that once again through a lack of knowledge and abstract thinking around the rules we've missed an opportunity here.

    Instead of Milkshake we could've loaded up our 2nd rounder and possibly Collingwood's as part of the Howe deal and got another pick in the 10 ten.

    Have we missed a trick once again?

    Essendon recruiters are a level above ours. They've even managed to checkmate St Kilda - a club who embarrassed us last trade period. Don't underestimate Dodoro. He gets the job done. Essendon are just going about moving along all their quality deadwood, that way when the WADA ban comes around, it won't affect them as much.

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      On 15/10/2015 at 10:27, Lamashtu said:

    What's in it for GWS though?

    Either way, your point is well made. No AFL rule change goes by without the smarter teams almost immediately working out how to manipulate the system.

    Under the point allocation system, picks 23 & 25 combined have greater value than pick 8 on it's own.

    Pertinent to academy bid matching.

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      On 15/10/2015 at 10:27, Lamashtu said:

    What's in it for GWS though?

    Either way, your point is well made. No AFL rule change goes by without the smarter teams almost immediately working out how to manipulate the system.

    They'll get their academy players.

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    Facepalm. That sucks.

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      On 15/10/2015 at 10:32, ChaserJ said:

    Under the point allocation system, picks 23 & 25 combined have greater value than pick 8 on it's own.

    Pertinent to academy bid matching.

    If that's true, someone seriously ballsed up the points value of picks in the 20's. In no conceivable way should two mid-20's picks have greater value than pick 8.

    No sane club would give up pick 8 for such picks, but thanks to the laughably convoluted bidding system (all to protect the Academies) it's now freely left open for rorting.

    But don't worry folks, the AFL are so nice to our Academy buddies, they even get them 25% discount on points owed for their players. Isn't equalisation just wonderful?!

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      On 15/10/2015 at 10:24, Georgiou R.R. Martin said:

    GWS are near certain to use their best picks this year on 2 academy kids who are predicted to go early in the first round. They have pick 8 and will get pick 7 from Collingwood for Treloar.

    They've worked out that because they don't need the picks alone but only the points that come with picks that they can auction off the top 10 picks for 2 picks in the 20's and then use those for the bidding.

    Essendon's picks 23 and 25 combine to more points than pick 8, so they can trade them and get a top 10 pick pretty cheaply.

    Sounds to me that once again through a lack of knowledge and abstract thinking around the rules we've missed an opportunity here.

    Instead of Milkshake we could've loaded up our 2nd rounder and possibly Collingwood's as part of the Howe deal and got another pick in the 10 ten.

    Have we missed a trick once again?

    Uh... Yeah, I posted about this when the bidding system first came in.

    It's nothing that wouldn't have been considered already.

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    And uses OUR pick 25...

    Fmd we're clueless by comparison.

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      On 15/10/2015 at 10:32, ChaserJ said:

    Under the point allocation system, picks 23 & 25 combined have greater value than pick 8 on it's own.

    Pertinent to academy bid matching.

      On 15/10/2015 at 10:36, Mondê said:

    Facepalm. That sucks.

    whats happening to this once great game? I just do not recognise it anymore.

    it is all whitecollar mumbo-jumbo, legal this & bullshytre that, whealin & dealin.

    the game has vanished into a cloud of shyte.

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    The above analysis will regrettably be true IF pick 8 ultimately delivers a better player than Melksham.

    Given the views of the so-called draft experts that this draft is bog ordinary, that result is by no means certain

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    I guess it is possible that we could do a similar trade for our picks that we get for Howe to GC for their pick 3. I don't know if GC have any academy players that they would do that deal for?

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    I'm so glad our ridiculously generous pick for Melksham has probably landed Essendon pick 8... and we didn't even get them to throw in a bag of chips.


    We're the club that just keeps on giving.
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    The fact that a supporter has worked this out over our recruiting staff us bizarre. Is this just a suggestion or a rumored trade?

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    And what if Milkshake can't even play next season?

    Why do other clubs find the 'way'.

    I hope there's some really dastardly clever plan /outcome to our strange ways.

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    It's all over Twitter, apparently clubs are now falling over themselves to trade second rounders to GWS. With our second rounder gone, all we've currently got left to trade is pick 6 and pick 45.

    Meanwhile, if Dodoro plays his cards right, he can turf out Carlisle, Melksham and their second rounder and end up with picks 4, 8, 15 & 18 in the draft.

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      On 15/10/2015 at 11:27, Lamashtu said:

    It's all over Twitter, apparently clubs are now falling over themselves to trade second rounders to GWS. With our second rounder gone, all we've currently got left to trade is pick 6 and pick 45.

    Meanwhile, if Dodoro plays his cards right, he can turf out Carlisle, Melksham and their second rounder and end up with picks 4, 8, 15 & 18 in the draft.

    And if we end up with three 2nd round picks ( 2 from Pies via Seedsman and Freeman and 1 from Toumpas ) we are in a better position to get 8 plus Bugg plus another player or pick from GWS.

    We could be in the box seat.

    Then 8 and 6 to GC for Prestia and 3 plus something else.

    Kennedy for our 3rd rounder to finish off the trade week.

    ALL IS NOT LOST JUST YET.

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      On 15/10/2015 at 11:39, Redleg said:

    And if we end up with three 2nd round picks ( 2 from Pies via Seedsman and Freeman and 1 from Toumpas ) we are in a better position to get 8 plus Bugg plus another player or pick from GWS.

    We could be in the box seat.

    Then 8 and 6 to GC for Prestia and 3 plus something else.

    Kennedy for our 3rd rounder to finish off the trade week.

    ALL IS NOT LOST JUST YET.

    If we somehow got 2 picks under 23, Essendon would just make there deal 18 and 23 instead. Or 15 and 23, or 15/18.

    They got us on this one

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      On 15/10/2015 at 11:40, olisik said:

    If we somehow got 2 picks under 23, Essendon would just make there deal 18 and 23 instead. Or 15 and 23, or 15/18.

    They got us on this one

    Not if Carlisle goes to the Saints.

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