Howe is a C+ grader and Toumpas is D.

What do you expect to receive for such players ?

(For reference I consider Nathan Jones a B grader, who has had one A grade year - 2014)

Toumpas isn't worth much more than pick 50. Pick 40 if you got really lucky. And Kennedy and 29 for Howe is reasonable.

I don't know what the fuss is about.

This^

We have cleared 2 players that weren't in our forward plans.

I'll back Taylor to find a few 'diamonds in the rough' like Vandenburg, Kent etc.

From Collingwood's website:

"Collingwood, Adelaide, Melbourne and Port Adelaide were involved in the trade, which involved the Pies sending Paul Seedsman to Adelaide and Ben Kennedy to Melbourne in return for Howe and pick 68 in the 2015 NAB AFL Draft.

In sending Seedsman to Adelaide, Collingwood received pick 32 which it traded on to Melbourne. The Demons then exchanged pick 32 and Jimmy Toumpas with Port Adelaide for picks 29, 50 and 68.

Collingwood then traded Kennedy to Melbourne in return for Howe and pick 68"

Looks even worse when broken down like that.

OK.

Shows how much we rated Toumpas. He's a D grader and no-one could argue otherwise, so the question is what do we expect he'll become as a player.

You have your answer. He's so weak in the contest we consider him not AFL quality.

OK.

Shows how much we rated Toumpas. He's a D grader and no-one could argue otherwise, so the question is what do we expect he'll become as a player.

You have your answer. He's so weak in the contest we consider him not AFL quality.

And as for the second part of the deal? That basically states Kennedy was considered more valuable than Howe.

Highlights - and that trade involving Howe and Toumpas isn't included, probably because it hasn't been signed off.

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From Collingwood's website:

"Collingwood, Adelaide, Melbourne and Port Adelaide were involved in the trade, which involved the Pies sending Paul Seedsman to Adelaide and Ben Kennedy to Melbourne in return for Howe and pick 68 in the 2015 NAB AFL Draft.

In sending Seedsman to Adelaide, Collingwood received pick 32 which it traded on to Melbourne. The Demons then exchanged pick 32 and Jimmy Toumpas with Port Adelaide for picks 29, 50 and 68.

Collingwood then traded Kennedy to Melbourne in return for Howe and pick 68"

Looks even worse when broken down like that.

Why does it look worse like that? We lost a player who doesn't want to be with the club (which was apparent from his performances on the field) for a player who wants the chance to prove himself and a pick (68) which is worthless in what everyone considers a shallow draft.

Just been confirmed on the official twitter handle of the club:

In: Kennedy, pick 29 and 50

Out: Howe, Toumpas

Let it be noted I don't rate Howe or Toumpas and would have been disappointed if we re-contracted them. However on face value it appears we did not hold our nerve in that trade and look to have come out the worst of the 4 clubs. Time will tell but does appear a disappointing result.

Just been confirmed on the official twitter handle of the club:

In: Kennedy, pick 29 and 50

Out: Howe, Toumpas

Terrible. Only thing that could slightly improve it is to get Bugg for 50.

Interesting quote from Mahoney as well. Seems we aren't done yet.

“By packaging up the Howe and Toumpas trades, it has allowed us to get the best overall net outcome for the club. It also gives us the picks needed to facilitate further trades before Thursday’s trade deadline.

Bugg was not offered another contract so 50 might be feasible.

Interesting quote from Mahoney as well. Seems we aren't done yet.

“By packaging up the Howe and Toumpas trades, it has allowed us to get the best overall net outcome for the club. It also gives us the picks needed to facilitate further trades before Thursday’s trade deadline.

I note that the word "trades" is plural. They said last year its not about each trade but the net result. Lets see how the rest of this plays out.

Just been confirmed on the official twitter handle of the club:

In: Kennedy, pick 29 and 50

Out: Howe, Toumpas

MFC: hey all! We like a jolly rogering, we bought the lube... Line up!

I note that the word "trades" is plural. They said last year its not about each trade but the net result. Lets see how the rest of this plays out.

On the back of today, I am not holding my breath.

Just once I want to come out first in something.

We basically traded Toumpas for pick 50, three seasons after investing pick 4 into him.

I would rather back him in and delist him in two years than take a punt on pick 50.

I wish him luck and I wish Howe failure.

Bugg was not offered another contract so 50 might be feasible.

Delisted free agent?

@kanecornes: @JToumpas it would be my pleasure if you chose to wear the number 18 next year. #welcome

@kanecornes: @LaurenceBradley @JToumpas he's a star

Clearly somebody rates Toumpas.

Its above the shoulders. I fear this one is going to sting. But I will say all the best Toump!

Before you lot start on the 'kool aid '

everything needs a context. Ours for this is the nett result...i.e what happens next.

Just once I want to come out first in something.

We basically traded Toumpas for pick 50, three seasons after investing pick 4 into him.

I would rather back him in and delist him in two years than take a punt on pick 50.

I wish him luck and I wish Howe failure.

Apparently he wanted out.

I hate everything about this trade. Feel bad for Kennedy that he had to be a part of it.

I wonder if Toumpas' desire to go home was greater than the club's desire to get rid of him.

What have we achieved by getting rid of him at this stage? Not much when you look at the return. Very poor decision making by the club yet again

FWIW:

Brett Anderson ‏@BrettAndersonIF 48m

48 minutes ago

Dees fans need to look at it this way. Essentially swapped Toumpas for Kennedy. Points value of 29+50 equals pick 20 for Howe.

We needed speed and outside run. Our lack of those things killed us last season and cost us a few wins.

Kennedy and Melksham will give us a bit of both. Howe and Toumpas gave us neither.

I look at as #29 + #50 = #20 for Howe and Toumpas for Kennedy.

OUT: Unaccountable speccie taker & bloke who has about 10% chance of making something of himself

IN: Pacy borderline 22 depth mid/forward, pick 29, Bugg (most likely)

Really, can't see what all the whinging is about? It's not a steal, but it's solid and about fair. Not sure why everyone keeps expecting miracles to spring forth from the "war chest".

Ha

FWIW:

Brett Anderson ‏@BrettAndersonIF 48m

48 minutes ago

Dees fans need to look at it this way. Essentially swapped Toumpas for Kennedy. Points value of 29+50 equals pick 20 for Howe.

Ha beat me to it

Edited October 19, 20159 yr by Fat Tony

FWIW:

Brett Anderson ‏@BrettAndersonIF 48m

48 minutes ago

Dees fans need to look at it this way. Essentially swapped Toumpas for Kennedy. Points value of 29+50 equals pick 20 for Howe.

By that reasoning, we should've taken four picks in the 50s and cut away 29 altogether. Why even bother with Kennedy when we can get more points for late picks?