I don't agree with this.

Nor do I DD is a bit biased when it comes to Jack. A BIT biased did I say?

Against popular belief I hope that Watts stays. He has showed signs of using his speed and skills while playing forward and had some great assists throughout the year. Everyone knows that we need his skills in the team we just need him to get more off it.

I would give him one more year and lose his as a FA next year where the compensation is likely to be higher than trading him for a fringe player or late 2nd round draft pick.

Me too.

I think that there are many on here who do support him, but can't be bothered responding.....it's getting tiresome. He needs to be left alone and work with his coaches.

My Father and Brother went right through school at BGS so i have seen quite a few games of footy on New St. over the years.

Nice try Stuie...

Ahhhh gotcha. So they must be both younger than you somehow then and played with Watts and knew him well?

Does anyone actually think the penny will actually drop for Jack? In a perfect world if he could put some steel and hardness into his game he could be a valuable player. Surely coming 18th in the B & F has got to be a wake up call to him?

He has had more than enough time and more than enough chances. Sad thing is, he actually played a couple of real games of footy this year. Ran hard, tackled, presented well etc. It's just that he falls into his old ways given enough time.

I can not see Watts being anything more than "good" for us. Is good enough? You can only have so many of them in a team and given his ability to go missing completely, if his time isnt up, it has to be one an absolute knife edge.

Ahhhh gotcha. So they must be both younger than you somehow then and played with Watts and knew him well?

what?

We have often met up over the years watching a BGS game

And that included when Jack Watts played on the School oval.

what?

We have often met up over the years watching a BGS game

And that included when Jack Watts played on the School oval.

Oh, so you're saying you don't know Jack Watts really well personally then? That's funny, you seemed to be able to make judgments on his mindset as a teenager, so I figured you must have known him well....

Oh, so you're saying you don't know Jack Watts really well personally then? That's funny, you seemed to be able to make judgments on his mindset as a teenager, so I figured you must have known him well....

No just watched him play for BGS a few times

Did you?

Stuie...who gives a flying f**k mate

We judge him from afar for his efforts on the field.

apparently hes a top bloke..thats marvee.

Many are confusing or at least compounding unnecessary elements.

What does Watts bring to our game ?

Lets keep it dog f simple.

All these personal squabbles are just bullshlt.

18 blokes take the field at any given time. Who are the best ones...actually what is the best combination ?

What are our pluses and what are our gaps ?

Is Jack Watts relevant to us going forward ?

Increasingly i think NO

Am curious to see what the club does.

But let's keep this simple

Edited September 13, 201510 yr by beelzebub

No just watched him play for BGS a few times

Did you?

Stuie...who gives a flying f**k mate

We judge him from afar for his efforts on the field.

apparently hes a top bloke..thats marvee.

Many are confusing or at least compounding unnecessary elements.

What does Watts bring to our game ?

Lets keep it dog f simple.

All these personal squabbles are just bullshlt.

18 blokes take the field at any given time. Who are the best ones...actually what is the best combination ?

What are our pluses and what are our gaps ?

Is Jack Watts relevant to us going forward ?

Increasingly i think NO

Am curious to see what the club does.

But let's keep this simple

I've got no problems with judging his onfield efforts Bub.

But having a crack at him by making comments about his personal mindset as a teenager is just ridiculous unless you knew him personally at the time, which WYL clearly didn't.

I've got no problems with judging his onfield efforts Bub.

But having a crack at him by making comments about his personal mindset as a teenager is just ridiculous unless you knew him personally at the time, which WYL clearly didn't.

I watched him dominate a comp in 3rd gear

Where is that personal Stuie?

As a kid at school he never had to push himself on the Sport Field. He was already better.

This is what he lacks and always has.

I watched him dominate a comp in 3rd gear

Where is that personal Stuie?

Mate, say what you want about your impression of his efforts at MFC, but you know nothing about him "pushing himself" in his teenage years. You don't get drafted number 1 to AFL level without having ever pushed yourself.

Stuie..my point is...No one need buy into or retort to that. Do they ?

It's irrelevant.

If we all just keep blinkered to what happens on the paddock it's clearer as to Jack's value to our list.

Jack has pluses...he has minuses.

The scoreboard only cares about the game

So what is that value...above or below the pass line ?

Mate, say what you want about your impression of his efforts at MFC, but you know nothing about him "pushing himself" in his teenage years. You don't get drafted number 1 to AFL level without having ever pushed yourself.

that's only your opinion

Stuie..my point is...No one need buy into or retort to that. Do they ?

It's irrelevant.

If we all just keep blinkered to what happens on the paddock it's clearer as to Jack's value to our list.

Jack has pluses...he has minuses.

The scoreboard only cares about the game

So what is that value...above or below the pass line ?

Yep, fair point.

I think if we forget the fact he was a number 1 pick, which really is totally irrelevant after draft day, then he's a handy player but as it stands he's not always best 22. But I know who'd I'd rather getting picked out of Watts and M.Jones, Bail, Terlich, McKenzie etc.

Yep, fair point.

I think if we forget the fact he was a number 1 pick, which really is totally irrelevant after draft day, then he's a handy player but as it stands he's not always best 22. But I know who'd I'd rather getting picked out of Watts and M.Jones, Bail, Terlich, McKenzie etc.

He was a #1..but as you suggest that is not the issue.

Interesting lot to choose from...and by default Jack wins. I would want Jack to be best 22 against a much better crop of options.

Reality is i suspect if all fut..Jack comes in under the line. That he did also when an incomplete list presented confounds even me.

The club has concerns. He may have run out of time and the patience of those who matter.

If thats the case...so be it.

I want a good list...care not who is actually on it....scoreboard doesn't. .just saying

Can you imagine Watts playing in the pressure cooker of a finals game?

Trade him off to the highest bidder. Someone will cough up too much for him.

Against popular belief I hope that Watts stays. He has showed signs of using his speed and skills while playing forward and had some great assists throughout the year. Everyone knows that we need his skills in the team we just need him to get more off it.

I would give him one more year and lose his as a FA next year where the compensation is likely to be higher than trading him for a fringe player or late 2nd round draft pick.

I think free agency compensation is going to get overhauled.

What happens if he gets dropped again next year.

What would we stand to get?

As has been mentioned elsewhere, Roos said in his B&F speech "we will have a team of competitors next year".

I have little doubt that Watts is finished at the MFC.

He's starting to remind me of Sylvia. We kept thinking he was a wasted talent, the penny needs to drop etc. The reality is neither of the players are as talented as we think they are. This is as good as it's going to get.

It seems to me JW doesn't really care whether he plays football or not.

I also don't care whether he does or not. He is not going to be a part of the future of the club so really he is irrelevant.

Edited September 14, 201510 yr by jackaub

Jack's best football is elite, I truly believe that. His worst football is a long way below that.

It is disappointing that he hasn't been able to close that gap in seven years.

He has had three senior coaches, and numerous assistance coaches in that time. I don't know if that has hurt his development, but it certainly hasn't helped.

I would hate to see him at another club, but if the price is right I couldn't blame the club for moving him on. I certainly wouldn't move him on in a fire sale though - there would have to be something seriously good coming back the other way.

Had a really good few months before he, and a few others, went back to his usual ways.

Even if it is only to bump up his trade value to a decent level.

Unless part of a package, I can't see him getting anything worth his value.

We can rewrite 2015 to say that we will take ND35 for him (the proverbial packet of chips) but it won't make it true, and it won't make it a good trade.

Watts should go to a top 4 team. Ideally for him, I reckon Freo, Hawthorn (Brad Hill??) or Sydney, or Port (Pittard???)

Maybe a swap to the Bulldogs for a bit of their speed. Don't touch Koby Stevens. His back aint good from what I have been told.

The B&F result just shows everyone that the coaching brains have lost faith in Watts long ago.

If we can get something for him then great, but I hope we don't offload him for the sake of it.

Don't think he's asked for a trade because it would have come out by now.

He's gone from best 22 to depth player. If he doesn't fit in the squad and takes the place of an M Jones or Bail as a depth player when we have injuries, then it shows how our list has evolved.

Me too.

I think that there are many on here who do support him, but can't be bothered responding.....it's getting tiresome. He needs to be left alone and work with his coaches.

Good thing list decisions are made by professionals and not by social medal voting as happens with reality TV shows, then.

On topic, I'm confused by the B&F voting. How does any player score so relatively poorly yet play so often? I would have thought a player with those sort of scores would have been in and out of the team a lot more.