What has a Shock got to do with it?

Wut?

Of course it's too late after they've already had their prime development years destroyed. The first 2-3 years are when they form their habits, watch their peers and soak in the most coaching.

Which of the recent Melbourne failed top draft picks would be stars if drafted by other clubs?

Which of the recent Melbourne failed top draft picks would be stars if drafted by other clubs?

You can't deal in hypotheticals.

All you can say is almost all of our pics were taken exactly where expected by all the other recruiters, draft experts and media at the time. That's a fact.

We are widely known as the poorest team in the AFL for developing players and having a competitive culture. That's a fact.

We have sacked 3 senior coaches in this period recognized as our period of poor development. That's a fact.

We went and hired the best (and most expensive) coach as far as development and culture goes, and then he hired a former senior coach known for his development. That's a fact.

I'm not sure how many facts you need before you see how much they stack up against your "what ifs"?

Which of the recent Melbourne failed top draft picks would be stars if drafted by other clubs?

None because they were ordinary from the start.

You can't deal in hypotheticals.

All you can say is almost all of our pics were taken exactly where expected by all the other recruiters, draft experts and media at the time. That's a fact.

It doesn't make the selections any better.

The point is the players weren't very good, which is a drafting failure.

As a percentage I would say 90% drafting and 10% development is the cause of our recent problems.

It doesn't make the selections any better.

The point is the players weren't very good, which is a drafting failure.

As a percentage I would say 90% drafting and 10% development is the cause of our recent problems.

No, the point is they WERE good, and talented, and drafted exactly where expected.

They then didn't develop into what they could have been.

If we had drafted players expected to be 3rd rounders in the 1st round then you'd be 100% correct, but that's not what happened, and no matter what your opinion, that is a fact.

It doesn't make the selections any better.

The point is the players weren't very good, which is a drafting failure.

As a percentage I would say 90% drafting and 10% development is the cause of our recent problems.

You have my vote CB

Hard to pull up your socks if you don't have any on.

They then didn't develop into what they could have been.

Exactly, but that's through no fault of the club in a development sense.

For those handful of years where we drafted so poorly we looked for the wrong type of player and not players who through their own ability, willingness or physical attributes would improve. No level of club development could improve them, they were just poor choices and every day I wake up and give thanks that Barry Prendergast is no longer involved with our club.

yeah thats how it was wasnt it. He kicked 4 that day but dropped a mark in the goal square on his own with 5 secs to play. Tend to remember the drop more than the 4. But I did think at a certain time he was going to really be something. Good luck to him....he survived the worst of the MFC altho...its true that he nearly died wearing the red and blue.

He wasn't alone in the goal square, though (2:54):

Good effort I thought, Turned his body to get away from the opponent and had to over-stretch for the ball. He didn't "drop it" as much as he just couldn't quite reach it as it fell.

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Exactly, but that's through no fault of the club in a development sense.

For those handful of years where we drafted so poorly we looked for the wrong type of player and not players who through their own ability, willingness or physical attributes would improve. No level of club development could improve them, they were just poor choices and every day I wake up and give thanks that Barry Prendergast is no longer involved with our club.

Whose job is it to develop them if not the club and coaches? Why even have development coaches, line coaches, even head coaches if the players are just meant to make it happen all by themselves? Have we got McCartney there just for show?

yeah thats how it was wasnt it. He kicked 4 that day but dropped a mark in the goal square on his own with 5 secs to play. Tend to remember the drop more than the 4. But I did think at a certain time he was going to really be something. Good luck to him....he survived the worst of the MFC altho...its true that he nearly died wearing the red and blue.

I also remember the game he made a record 11 fwd 50 tackles.

Another NQR.

'Loved him..'

'Gave his all..'

'Gun..'

Pfft.

Hope his foot's okay and he manages to live a normal life.

He wasn't alone in the goal square, though (2:54):

Good effort I thought, Turned his body to get away from the opponent and had to over-stretch for the ball. He didn't "drop it" as much as he just couldn't quite reach it as it fell.

i'd forgot bail kicked on his left foot

had time to straighten up on right

suppose ricky could have made a lead too

oh well, spilt milk

Of course it's too late after they've already had their prime development years destroyed. The first 2-3 years are when they form their habits, watch their peers and soak in the most coaching.

Garbage post Stuie.

Example Salem.

Example Angus.

Of course it's too late after they've already had their prime development years destroyed. The first 2-3 years are when they form their habits, watch their peers and soak in the most coaching.

Theres another great example of a bloke who's been on our list for six years. Top two in the club for disposal, top three for footy smarts, he had both those traits when he was drafted. The one thing he lacks is the one thing you can't coach, and that's a killed competitive instinct.

Meh.

Always really like Ricky, if only he was a decent kick...

all the best Ricky P to you, & your dad... thanks for the highlights & the memories.

sorry things turned out the way they did for you & your career.

i'd forgot bail kicked on his left foot

had time to straighten up on right

suppose ricky could have made a lead too

oh well, spilt milk

I'm so proud of myself . I just couldn't watch this again . Oh the torture .

Always liked him. Was the harshest treated under Neeld at the selection table, was building his career nicely beforehand but was kept out when we needed some heart in the team. Went on to play some decent games with the Tigers too. Should've had a better career

Garbage post Stuie.

Example Salem.

Example Angus.

You don't their first 2-3 years are their most important for development? Really? Wanna ask Roos and McCartney about that?

There was always a sense with Petterd that he could become a really dangerous player, something creative.

I'm glad he got a few years of AFL football in, after ejecting from the Demons. Enough to at least prove he wasn't a dud, that he just had a couple of weaknesses that stopped him really building a major career.

You don't their first 2-3 years are their most important for development? Really? Wanna ask Roos and McCartney about that?

Ask them what? No ones doubting development is important what people are doubting is that we ruined the careers of above listed players and there's a difference. Salem and Brayshaw are still developing but they came to the club with footy smarts, a desire to compete and they know how to kick the bloody footy. The above listed may of had one or two of those attributes but they didn't have all three, hence they are no longer at our club and failed at other clubs with a better development history then ours. You don't just forget how to kick the footy. Salem and Brayshaw have the three main attributes coaches are looking for. They have been able to impact games from an early age.

As stated we simply stuffed up the drafting.

Actually, several of our selections over the years were surprises, players taken earlier than expected like Gysberts & Cook......

Sad to hear of his retirement. I think he had what it took to be a really good player but was cruelled by injury.

Best wishes Ricky.

Loved Ricky. He always played with heart.