Jones Vince Dawes Mcdonald Howe Garland hang your heads in absolute shame! When we needed you guys to stand up you were pathetic!

Kudos to the younger players in Michie Stretch Brayshaw ANB Salem Newton who showed desperation atleast wanted it.

Cross might be slowing but he is the only leader who puts in every week and doesn't drop his head.

Jones, if injured, is doing himself and the team a massive disservice.

Vince got ahead of himself and done nothing for a month.

Dunn in has always been damn ordinary and that he is our vice captain is laughable.

This club is going nowhere fast.

Tom McDonald looks a broken men. Another gun young player who will walk out on this club and who can blame him. Him and Hogan will leave and take Brayshaw and Salem with them.

I'm not against red legs suggestion of floating jones on trade table. Since signing his lucrative contract he has gone backwards.

Cross has leadership skills but game is past him. Too many fumbles slips ect

'Pathetic' is being kind to them

Starts at the top. I love Chunk to bits, but he is there cause there is no one else. Best of a bad situation.

Grimes is playing more at Casey and is toast.

Trengove hasnt touched a footy in years and should of never been captain anyway.

We have very little leadership and no one that will bleed for the jumper. Dawes, Lumumbu, Cross, Garland, etc - none of them step up when needed.

100% agree

I'd personally keep jones, Vince and Tmac but the sooner we rid the mentally weak players the better

Edit - just reread f$&@ Dawes if he doesn't mark he is useless and he doesn't mark a lot

Edited August 23, 20159 yr by Unleash Hell

We have no leadership on field, there is our problem and has been for a long long long long time.

I'm not against red legs suggestion of floating jones on trade table. Since signing his lucrative contract he has gone backwards.

You're not serious are you?

Absolutely pathetic.

We have no leadership on field, there is our problem and has been for a long long long long time.

that is right. And no coach or crack CEO can change that once the ball is bounced...

100% agree

I'd personally keep jones, Vince and Tmac but the sooner we rid the mentally weak players the better

That leaves Brayshaw.

Cross might be slowing but he is the only leader who puts in every week and doesn't drop his head.

Jones, if injured, is doing himself and the team a massive disservice.

Vince got ahead of himself and done nothing for a month.

Dunn in has always been damn ordinary and that he is our vice captain is laughable.

This club is going nowhere fast.

Tom McDonald looks a broken men. Another gun young player who will walk out on this club and who can blame him. Him and Hogan will leave and take Brayshaw and Salem with them.

Actually thought McDonald wasn't too bad, also Watts was ok along with young blokes, let down by Jones, Grimes, Dunn, Garland, Howe, they should either leave or take pay cuts and give leadership to younger players

Actually thought McDonald wasn't too bad, also Watts was ok along with young blokes, let down by Jones, Grimes, Dunn, Garland, Howe, they should either leave or take pay cuts and give leadership to younger players

Watts was quite good. Mcdonald was pathetic. His kicking was terrible and ran into trouble so many times.

Cross has leadership skills but game is past him. Too many fumbles slips ect

Today yes, but his hands are usually very clean. His lack of pace is his main concern, especially now he plays less time in the middle.

That leaves Brayshaw.

So be it

Our young brigade aren't too bad it's the seniors ones I'm more worried about

I'm more worried about the younger blokes.
the senior ones are already stuffed and won't get any better.
We'll either lose these young blokes or wreck them.

I'm more worried about the younger blokes.

the senior ones are already stuffed and won't get any better.

We'll either lose these young blokes or wreck them.

Yep. That is exactly why the club must act now

Time to be ruthless for the sake of THE CLUB & not the player.

I disagree on McDonald. Makes errors but tried his guts out and tried to make things happen. Jones is clearly not right but that doesn't stop you talking on field, setting up positioning.

Leadership is the cause of our issues and will continue to be until the next wave can set the direcion. Combo of this and our kids tiring and only able to play in patches is the sum of it.

Jones has been heavily tagged the last 8 weeks. Needs help

Dunn gets swamped with opposition inside 50's. He is still a good player.

Grimes turns it over too much. he can go

Dawes can go, cannot take a mark in his hands, and undisciplined which turns the ball over.

Howe should be told to never kick it. looks disinterested, time to go.

Mcdonald is a gun, would be All Australian in a good team. He cant do it all.

Cross is slow and fumbles but never gives up.

Watts has been ok this year and will get better as we get better.

Garland has lost it he can go as well.

Jones has been heavily tagged the last 8 weeks. Needs help

Judd, Pendelbury, Ablett etc have been heavily tagged for the last eight years...

They copped, Jones doesn't very well. He then goes into his shell and his leadership falls very very badly.

I really dont think Jones is the problem.

The problem is our lack of depth. If you look at thew best for casey yest not one can cut it at AFL level.

I'd go into 2016 without Garland, Howe, Lumumba, Cross, Dawes or Grimes in my plans, and I'd be wary on Dunn.

I'd go into 2016 without Garland, Howe, Lumumba, Cross, Dawes or Grimes in my plans, and I'd be wary on Dunn.

Hard to argue!

We have so many more problems than MacDonald but he is absolutely pathetic with ball in hand, which actually goes to show how bad we are.

Jones gets desperate for touches when he is tagged and forgets about the team as a whole.