Agree with how cringe worthy the Viney comments were. The last quarter of that game was played in their half so the Dees would have snatched it. I wish the players would just shut up and let their actions on the field do the talking.

I'll be shattered if we can't beat St Kilda at the 'G with Riewoldt on one leg.

Honestly, they went out and got the $350k a year coach. We got the $1.5m one.

They have taken kids, kids and more kids and we've gone a little bit older with the likes of Vince and Lumumba, and even went for Tyson who'd been in the AFL system for a couple of years.

These are the games where these players really have to deliver. These are the games we recruited them for.

You cannot discount where these two clubs have been in recent history though. One played in Grand Finals in the last five years and still has a core of players from that team playing, so a strong culture has been in tact and been able to nurture the young guys coming through. The other club fielded the worst team in 2013 I think I've ever seen, has won about 20 games in seven seasons and had deep rooted cultural problems across the entire club, as near as two years ago.

There's absolutely no point in comparing them. St Kilda have a couple of nice, young players, but we've built a core over the last two or so years that will far supercede their crop. This week will see another tight game and possibly a Melbourne loss, but over the next 5 to 10 years, I think you'll find we'll be dominant.

We're moving in the right direction and are currently about on par with St Kilda, although they're probably slightly more consistent due to their core group of leaders from the Lyon era. But we've closed that gap significantly in 12 months and it will only improve next year, whereas St Kilda may lose one or two of their experienced leaders. I think when this happens, you'll find they'll dip in form.

Edited July 24, 201510 yr by AdamFarr

You cannot discount where these two clubs have been in recent history though. One played in Grand Finals in the last five years and still has a core of players from that team playing, so a strong culture has been in tact and been able to nurture the young guys coming through. The other club fielded the worst team in 2013 I think I've ever seen, has won about 20 games in seven seasons and had deep rooted cultural problems across the entire club, as near as two years ago.

There's absolutely no point in comparing them. St Kilda have a couple of nice, young players, but we've built a core over the last two or so years that will far supercede their crop. This week will see another tight game and possibly a Melbourne loss, but over the next 5 to 10 years, I think you'll find we'll be dominant.

We're moving in the right direction and are currently about on par with St Kilda, although they're probably slightly more consistent due to their core group of leaders from the Lyon era. But we've closed that gap significantly in 12 months and it will only improve next year, whereas St Kilda may lose one or two of their experienced leaders.

Fair appraisal there AF I only have one objection

That has yet to be proven

Fair appraisal there AF I only have one objection

That has yet to be proven

That's true, OD. But unfortunately, as you well know, these things take time.

Viv Michie.....gee whiz.

Wet weather may have played a factor in his selection me thinks

Agree with how cringe worthy the Viney comments were. The last quarter of that game was played in their half so the Dees would have snatched it. I wish the players would just shut up and let their actions on the field do the talking.

I'll be shattered if we can't beat St Kilda at the 'G with Riewoldt on one leg.

Honestly, they went out and got the $350k a year coach. We got the $1.5m one.

They have taken kids, kids and more kids and we've gone a little bit older with the likes of Vince and Lumumba, and even went for Tyson who'd been in the AFL system for a couple of years.

These are the games where these players really have to deliver. These are the games we recruited them for.

Totally different situation - We had to target some senior players because we had no decent experienced players to lead the way. They are building a young list around some mature premiership players.

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Melb by 2 points.. bout as much a reversal of fortunes as I can predict...and then mainly because its at the G !!

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Melb by 2 points.. bout as much a reversal of fortunes as I can predict...and then mainly because its at the G !!

But bb, who kicks the winning goal in the last minute, out of the centre clearance to win the game for us??

But bb, who kicks the winning goal in the last minute, out of the centre clearance to win the game for us??

Howe of course!

Would be happier with Howe deep in forward pocket and told to stay inside 50 for the long bomb or anything in the air but to keep away from Hogan .

Watts can then be played up the ground and deliver to Hogan Howe or any other presenting forward target. He is one of the few who can spot em and kick to them. wasted in the pocket for mine.

You cannot discount where these two clubs have been in recent history though. One played in Grand Finals in the last five years and still has a core of players from that team playing, so a strong culture has been in tact and been able to nurture the young guys coming through. The other club fielded the worst team in 2013 I think I've ever seen, has won about 20 games in seven seasons and had deep rooted cultural problems across the entire club, as near as two years ago.

There's absolutely no point in comparing them. St Kilda have a couple of nice, young players, but we've built a core over the last two or so years that will far supercede their crop. This week will see another tight game and possibly a Melbourne loss, but over the next 5 to 10 years, I think you'll find we'll be dominant.

We're moving in the right direction and are currently about on par with St Kilda, although they're probably slightly more consistent due to their core group of leaders from the Lyon era. But we've closed that gap significantly in 12 months and it will only improve next year, whereas St Kilda may lose one or two of their experienced leaders. I think when this happens, you'll find they'll dip in form.

I agree mate.

But we seem to have been saying that for a fair while now. 'Oh Dal Santo and Goddard are gone we should go past them soon'. 'Oh they lose Milne and Hayes this year...we'll get them soon'. 'Oh Riewoldt and Montagna are almost gone we should just about go past them'.

We've never got there though because the Armitage's and Steven's of the world have improved in the meantime, and yes that's because they've had strong leaders at the club to bring these players through while we were a basket case.

And that's why we had to bring in Cross, Vince, Lumumba - leadership and experience. So these are the games these blokes need to step up in.

We've got the $1.5m coach and we're not that young so I'll be shattered if we can't beat them at the 'G.

We've got the $1.5m coach

So what? He started with a $0 list at a $0 club

So what? He started with a $0 list at a $0 club

You're being generous. Wasn't the club in the red?

The hyphens are out, Grimes and Michie in.

Michie and grimes replace anb and jkh who have been omitted according to the mfc 10 mins ago

Good moves I think

Stronger more experienced and in form

Edited July 24, 201510 yr by Dinosaur Rover

Would be happier with Howe deep in forward pocket and told to stay inside 50 for the long bomb or anything in the air but to keep away from Hogan .

Howe is hopeless as a forward

its like playing 1 man down

Michie and grimes replace anb and jkh who have been omitted according to the mfc 10 mins ago

Good moves I think

Stronger more experienced and in form

I agree DR. Side looks better Grimes in. Mitchie not a fan but hard to seem him as worse than those going out.

I agree DR. Side looks better Grimes in. Mitchie not a fan but hard to seem him as worse than those going out.

We need to see more of him at AFL, he's put in a consistent block of performance for Casey and I think the conditions will suit him. Just hope he isn't given the sub vest.

Edited July 24, 201510 yr by ChaserJ

Think Viv needs to be given a full game and given an opportunity to play for his spot on the list. No point making him the sub... Stretch should be the sub

Edited July 24, 201510 yr by JV7

Think Viv needs to be given a full game and given an opportunity to play for his spot on the list. No point making him the sub... Stretch should be the sub

I am one of the few people that like Viv... he has only played 4 games this season but played very well in the win over the Tigers

Sure he has some flaws but hes nowhere near terrible. I hope he plays well vs Saints and plays the last 7 games.

Edited July 24, 201510 yr by hogans_heroes

I wish the best for Michie, I had high hopes for him but I find it hard to see him firming a spot in our best 22 now. If Newton was playing as well in the VFL he'd be the guy we'd go to, but fair enough to give Michie another shot, a complete waste if he's sub however

I wish the best for Michie, I had high hopes for him but I find it hard to see him firming a spot in our best 22 now. If Newton was playing as well in the VFL he'd be the guy we'd go to, but fair enough to give Michie another shot, a complete waste if he's sub however

Stretch will be the sub, would be shocked if he isnt

But bb, who kicks the winning goal in the last minute, out of the centre clearance to win the game for us??

Who else but Bernie! Kicked the sealers v Geelong and Tigers.

Stretch will be the sub, would be shocked if he isnt

Should be, in fact I'm pretty shocked he's been given such a long run in the side. I've liked some of what I've seen but don't think he's done enough to firm that position when Toumpas was going alright

Should be, in fact I'm pretty shocked he's been given such a long run in the side. I've liked some of what I've seen but don't think he's done enough to firm that position when Toumpas was going alright

agreed. at this stage in Stretch's career i felt Toump had been performing better.

Wet weather may have played a factor in his selection me thinks

Possibly....I hope he shows something.