Adam Goodes

[stuie 7,374]

So you even know why she called Goodes an ape ? It was because of the racists around her ? Wow, incredible insight, especially as you weren't even there.

People, such as myself, dislike Goodes because he's racially divisive. Rather than make a speech that espoused unity and togetherness, especially as the honour given to Goodes highlighted how far this country has come with regards to bridging the gap, Goodes used the platform to further divide.

Goodes seems to think that this country was utopia prior to European settlement. Does he need a history lesson ? Does he realise that children are now left in dire circumstances, including incest and rape, because authorities are too scared to intervene due to the "stolen generations" myth ? Does he deny he himself is a beneficiary of European settlement ?

I'm 5th or 6th generation on all 4 sides (depending on how you calculate it), but none of my ancestors were guilty of any atrocities. None came here as convicts. It's one thing to recognise the mistakes of our settlement, but the constant finger pointing does zero to improve the lot of present-day underprivileged indigenous people.

Goodes doesn't improve relations, he merely fosters division.

This. This is the perfect example of the ingrained racism in Australia.

[jnrmac 18,967]

Australia is an open genuinely free speech society. One of the few in this world. However, I often wonder whether or not "free" discussions, such as the preceding 10 pages, actually do any good. Seems to be more a digging in, or reinforcement of opinion, rather than any possible acceptance of change.

Wast of bloody time really.

Actually it's not. We do not have the enshrined right to free speech as they do it the USA for example. Its commonly misunderstood.

You can be sued for saying something that offends somebody else. It's quite sad really. Charlie Hebdo would never be allowed to be published in Australia which makes a mockery of all those people marching in the street in solidarity with the slain journalists.

[bush demon 1,890]

If the Collingwood Essendon ANZAC day politicisation of sport is cancelled then it would be fair to ask Adam not to stir up the masses. In the meantime, go for it Goodsey. I remember Muhammed Ali being despised for much the same reasons.

[Elusive Tunbridge 795]

Actually it's not. We do not have the enshrined right to free speech as they do it the USA for example. Its commonly misunderstood.

You can be sued for saying something that offends somebody else. It's quite sad really. Charlie Hebdo would never be allowed to be published in Australia which makes a mockery of all those people marching in the street in solidarity with the slain journalists.

Actually, offensive speech is not grounds to sue. Bolt lost his case because what he wrote wasn't true, not because it was offensive. If I say you remind me of a sheepshagger, you might be offended, but if I say you are one you can sue.

[Gator 16,893]

Ok, let's roll this paper out.

Pt.1.

The coverage of the incident with the girl including her apologising and saying that she didn't really realise how racist it was and had just picked it up from some family members and other fans. So yes, it is actually on the public record. Also, it is well and truly on the record, and shown in footage from the game, that both Goodes and Jetta had been continually racially abused by the crowd, and that Goodes' decision to turn and point out the source of the abuse as a 'final straw' moment, before he even knew the face of the person he was turning to.

Pt 2.

"Wah wah wah don't you just hate it when people go around trashing the brand wah wah my country is so great how dare anyone say out loud that there are serious injustices in our history and current society, Australia is so great and free so shut up you stinker". One of these days it might occur to you that the procession of nicey-nice award winners all announcing what a magical land of milk and honey and equality for all are, actually, being divisive. Its just that the 1/3rd or so of Australia that, one way or another, has being left off the communal gravy train has also been cut out of the national conversation. When budgets come out and the papers are covered in 'How will a family on just $150,000 a year cope!', you know the country is messed up. One of the ways it is messed up has been, and continues to be, discrimination against Aboriginal people. If you want a country where someone from such a massively excluded part of the community should stand on a podium and say 'oh yes, I'm delighted with everything, come get a hug, I'm so grateful', maybe democracy isn't for you.

Pt 3.

a) Stolen Generations is a verified multi-generational event, documented in numerous sources and even found in bureaucratic archives, and actually meets all the (very tight) legal criteria of being an act of genocide in international law. Few pretend that Australia was any kind of utopia prior to settlement but there were a great variety of very different, functioning societies. The colonial and overall 'pre-rights era' set about, as a matter of policy, to destroy any semblance of leadership, continuity or even family connection. In theory the goal was assimilation but this was done in a half-hearted manner, often by people in favour of 'just letting them die out'. Rape of aboriginal women by mission leaders was not only common, but often done on the rationale of 'helping' the Aboriginal community become whiter. Aboriginal women were also routinely assigned as 'domestic servants' to 'help' the 'lonely' white settlers in outback areas, until they were returned mysterious pregnant. Intergenerational patterns of sexual violence were given a massive 'boost' by this era, and the means of healing and community leadership necessary to overcome it were also forcibly dismantled and not replaced. Try to remember that most of the Stolen Generations were selected because of their 'sufficient whiteness of appearance', and that a great many of those white-ish babies were the product of coercion or outright rape that was verifiably encouraged by many local officials as the best solution to the 'Aboriginal problem'.

Now, I'm not pretending that Aboriginal communities were some kind of paradise of universal hugs and lollies, but to imply that the sexual abuse issue in remote Indigenous communities is a product of them 'being Aboriginal' and that the Stolen Generations 'myth' as you call it is some kind of excuse to avoid being 'saved' by the whites, is pretty vile and either outright racist or just mind-boggling ill-informed. Have you been getting your news from Andrew Bolt or Quadrant magazine?

b) Beneficiary of European Settlement? The man happens to be seriously good at AFL, and you are making it sound like he got there as some kind of handout. Now, I've always been interested by the complex ambiguity of the benefits and harms of the Colonial era worldwide, but like most Aboriginal people Adam Goodes has managed to succeed despite having to overcome real harassment and real discrimination. Saying he somehow owes it to European settlement would be like saying you owe your livelihood to Syrians and Iraqis, since they pioneered urban settlements and all.

Pt 4.

None of your ancestors committed any atrocities. Ok. Good. Whose lands have they lived on? I guess there weren't any farmers in your family. No foresters, no fishers, no swagmen, shearers, miners, and nobody who, say, lived on the ground. I guess they just all levitated and lived by yogic deep breathing. Your ancestors "going back 5 or 6 generations on 4 sides" were all living and working on Aboriginal land that was forcibly taken. If you have a problem with Aboriginal people objecting to discrimination and pointing to disadvantage now, well, I am sure they would settle for sending you a 220 year rent bill and calling it even.

Now, does that cover it, or would you like a reading list?

There's no doubt that the Left is alive and well on Demonland...

Pt 1.

You say it’s “public record” and you may be right, but please provide evidence. as I don’t remember there being any record of her saying she was parroting family members, or other supporters. I do remember however her saying she didn’t even know Goodes was Aboriginal and was merely referring to his appearance.

Link me to your evidence.

P2.

You talk of a “community gravy train” ? Half of the country is on welfare. Half of Australians families pay no net income tax. Australians have to rid themselves of the mentality that governments owe them a living.

You then speak of discrimination against Aboriginals. What discrimination are you referring to ? And when will this country be mature enough to end the racial divide so that all Australians embrace being Australian.

You say indigenous Australians are “massively excluded”. In what way ? Where is this deliberate “exclusion” you refer to ?

Pt 3.

The “stolen generations” are a myth perpetuated by politically motivated historians. Have a read of Keith Windschuttle's The Fabrication of Aboriginal History. Here’s an excerpt:

Yet recent historians and commentators have persisted in describing this proposal as "a massive exercise of social engineering" and an instrument of genocide. Robert Manne, professor of politics at La Trobe University, described it as commonwealth policy: "The officials in Canberra and the minister, J. A. Perkins, gave support to Cook's proposal for an extension of the Territory policy to Australia as a whole."

This is false. The truth is that Perkins, minister for the interior in the Joseph Lyons government, in a carefully worded statement to the House of Representatives on August 2, 1934, denounced the proposal. He said: "It can be stated definitely, that it is and always has been, contrary to policy to force half-caste women to marry anyone. The half-caste must be a perfectly free agent in the matter."

None of the historians of the Stolen Generations have ever reproduced Perkins's statement. Nor have they reported any of the other critical reactions made by Lyons to the press. On June 23, 1933, the Darwin newspaper, the Northern Standard, quoted Lyons government sources saying: "It is all a lot of rot." But you won't find that quoted in any of the academic literature on this topic. Manne is not the only offender here but, as a professor of politics, he had the greater public duty to tell the full story.

Seeing as you find Bolt an anathema, let’s also read his exchange with Stolen Generations Alliance co-patron Lowitja O’Donoghue in 2001,

(My father) didn’t want to be straddled with five kids,” the former Australian of the Year said, sobbing. “I haven’t forgiven him…

“I don’t like the word ‘stolen’ and it’s perhaps true that I’ve used the word loosely at times… I would see myself as a removed child, and not necessarily stolen.”

Asked whether it would be better to state clearly that she wasn’t a member of the stolen generation, Dr O’Donoghue said: “I am prepared to make that concession.”

I note you’re from Canberra Goffy. A great haven of the Left. I doubt you’d like our border protection policy either.

Here’s a link to Keith Windschuttle's The Fabrication of Aboriginal History

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/flawed-history-keeps-myth-alive-about-the-stolen-generations/story-e6frg6z6-1225824632357

Pt 4.

My ancestors lived on their land in a young settled country. Settlement took place 60 odd years before their journey. I accept that you have personal guilt, but that’s your choice. I have none. I don’t have an ounce of guilt for something that had nothing to do with me. And I feel no guilt on behalf of my ancestors. Explorers discovered a new land on the other side of the world and established new lives. I’m bloody glad they did. You ? Not so much. My ancestors have nothing to feel ashamed about. I have no doubt Aborigines were treated appalling in many cases, but I take no ownership over that. Many indigenes also wish their brethren would leave their animosity behind, as it holds their community back.

People, such as you, don’t help their cause and nor do you help enrich their future. But rest assured fellow lefties will rejoice in slapping your back. For seeming is always far better than doing.

[stuie 7,374]

The more you write the more you're found out "ProDee".

Just remember to dig up....

[jnrmac 18,967]

Actually, offensive speech is not grounds to sue. Bolt lost his case because what he wrote wasn't true, not because it was offensive. If I say you remind me of a sheepshagger, you might be offended, but if I say you are one you can sue.

I didn't mention Bolt ET but in any case you aren't right about your first sentence.

(1) It is unlawful for a person to do an act, otherwise than in private, if:

(a) the act is reasonably likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people

If you are so inclined you can read about it here.....

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s18c.html

[P-man 13,168]

Surely you understand that engaging in a debate about racism on a footy club forum is doing something to combat racism.

Indeed. For generations to come they will talk of the Adam Goodes thread on Demonland and what it contributed to aboriginal rights and alleviating socioeconomic inequality.

Here's a thought for you and others. Stop pointing the finger at the 13 year old girl who used a term she didn't fully comprehend, or the bloke booing Adam Goodes at the footy who you're convinced is a racist despite his protestations to the contrary, and do something meaningful to help bridge the gap. If that's too much effort, then look in the mirror to find out who should wear the brunt of your guilt trip.

This is 11 pages of backslapping and moral grandstanding. Don't kid yourself into thinking you're making [censored] all difference by making all the right politically correct noises in here.

[Moonshadow 16,177]

Prodee I'm sure Adam Goodes' mother will be pleased to hear you declare the Stolen Generation a myth, since 9 of her 10 siblings were forcibly removed from their biological parents by govt authorities. Did they "do" or was it just "seeming"?

[Jara 1,149]

Hey Prodee, re your point 4

If your neighbour stole your family farm through nefarious dealings and you had to watch his descendants lording it over you for generations, how would you feel? And wouldn't it be reasonable if one of those descendants was to feel a twinge of guilt?

I live on a big bush block north of Melbourne, and am strongly aware of the ghosts of its original inhabitants, and do my best to honour their legacy and repay what I owe them (I spent over twenty years working with aboriginal people on community projects, and was constantly shocked by the racism I saw inflicted upon them and the patience with which they bore it)

For what it's worth, I LOVE what Goodsy does. Many of the advances in Aboriginal community development have come about because of warriors like him. I just wish the bugger had played for us.

Cheers

Edited May 31, 2015 by Jara

[jnrmac 18,967]

Pt 2.

"Wah wah wah don't you just hate it when people go around trashing the brand wah wah my country is so great how dare anyone say out loud that there are serious injustices in our history and current society, Australia is so great and free so shut up you stinker". One of these days it might occur to you that the procession of nicey-nice award winners all announcing what a magical land of milk and honey and equality for all are, actually, being divisive. Its just that the 1/3rd or so of Australia that, one way or another, has being left off the communal gravy train has also been cut out of the national conversation. When budgets come out and the papers are covered in 'How will a family on just $150,000 a year cope!', you know the country is messed up. One of the ways it is messed up has been, and continues to be, discrimination against Aboriginal people. If you want a country where someone from such a massively excluded part of the community should stand on a podium and say 'oh yes, I'm delighted with everything, come get a hug, I'm so grateful', maybe democracy isn't for you.

Hey Goffy

Just out of interest, how much do you think we should spend on indigenous affairs to right the wrongs you speak of? I note with interest that in 2010-11 the National committee of audit estimated we spent $25.4 billion on indigenous affairs. That for 2.4% of the population or around 460,000 people (I'd hate to think how they prove that number).

That is $55,000 for every person that identifies themselves as being Aboriginal. Can you explain with your Canberra logic how that means they are "left off the gravy train"?

[Pirlo 519]

This. This is the perfect example of the ingrained racism in Australia.

"The stolen generation myth" - its unbelievable, hey?

So what he's saying is that (very simplistically):

• Europeans invade Australia
• Europeans start by stealing ('trading for') lands and driving Indigenous people away
• Europeans move Indigenous people into 'settlements' where alcohol and other drugs are introduced
• Europeans decide to sleep with Indigenous woman so as to eliminate the Aboriginal people slowly and totally. This behaviour continues until the early 1970s.
• The Australian government stops the practice, but the Indigenous people are given little land back and are incorporated into the system when its too late. The drugs and drink are here, and many children have no grounding because of the trauma they suffered and their parents suffered. Their identity is lost, and they have children who turn out the same way.
• The fact that we have stopped systematically breeding them out, have said 'sorry' and give them funds means they should accept it and move on.

No, [censored]. The Aboriginal people will suffer for generations because of the cultural damage inflicted by the settlers up until less than 50 years ago, and now we the new generation and our government do little but throw some coin their way and let them sort it out.

We accept them in society, but when one of them stands up and speaks out, we get uncomfortable and lash out at them because we just don't want to hear it.

The mistreatment of the Indigenous people may be something that caucasians would like to push out of their minds, but it does little good to the children still being born to fractured families.

Remember Liam Jurrah? Goes home to a family divided at the seams and is told to sort it out and that he is letting them down by not being there. He finds the drink, or it finds him, and look at the bloke now.

I don't agree with some of what Goodesy does on the field, but he is a bona fide legend of the game who I hope that one day will be revered for his affirmative action.

Oh, and just on that 13 year old girl who has somehow become a 'victim'. Never mind the fact that she knew exactly what she was saying, how was he to know who she was? He was jogging down the boundary during Indigenous round and heard someone call him an ape, at which point he turned around and pointed at the person in question. Once it was established that it was a minor, was he meant to say "nothing to see here". She called him the next day, he told her how it made him feel upset and then he forgave her. If many people could have it their way - he would be commending her for calling him as some grand act and that he had no right to not smile and forget about it. A five year old calling him an ape might do it because of his skin colour but not know why it is offensive, a 13 year old is more than aware.

The problems within the Indigenous communities is something that we need to fix, beyond throwing money and our cultural values at them as though it will help.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Pirlo

[Binmans PA 26,075]

There's no doubt that the Left is alive and well on Demonland...

Pt 1.

You say it’s “public record” and you may be right, but please provide evidence. as I don’t remember there being any record of her saying she was parroting family members, or other supporters. I do remember however her saying she didn’t even know Goodes was Aboriginal and was merely referring to his appearance.

Link me to your evidence.

P2.

You talk of a “community gravy train” ? Half of the country is on welfare. Half of Australians families pay no net income tax. Australians have to rid themselves of the mentality that governments owe them a living.

You then speak of discrimination against Aboriginals. What discrimination are you referring to ? And when will this country be mature enough to end the racial divide so that all Australians embrace being Australian.

You say indigenous Australians are “massively excluded”. In what way ? Where is this deliberate “exclusion” you refer to ?

Pt 3.

The “stolen generations” are a myth perpetuated by politically motivated historians. Have a read of Keith Windschuttle's The Fabrication of Aboriginal History. Here’s an excerpt:

Yet recent historians and commentators have persisted in describing this proposal as "a massive exercise of social engineering" and an instrument of genocide. Robert Manne, professor of politics at La Trobe University, described it as commonwealth policy: "The officials in Canberra and the minister, J. A. Perkins, gave support to Cook's proposal for an extension of the Territory policy to Australia as a whole."

This is false. The truth is that Perkins, minister for the interior in the Joseph Lyons government, in a carefully worded statement to the House of Representatives on August 2, 1934, denounced the proposal. He said: "It can be stated definitely, that it is and always has been, contrary to policy to force half-caste women to marry anyone. The half-caste must be a perfectly free agent in the matter."

None of the historians of the Stolen Generations have ever reproduced Perkins's statement. Nor have they reported any of the other critical reactions made by Lyons to the press. On June 23, 1933, the Darwin newspaper, the Northern Standard, quoted Lyons government sources saying: "It is all a lot of rot." But you won't find that quoted in any of the academic literature on this topic. Manne is not the only offender here but, as a professor of politics, he had the greater public duty to tell the full story.

Seeing as you find Bolt an anathema, let’s also read his exchange with Stolen Generations Alliance co-patron Lowitja O’Donoghue in 2001,

(My father) didn’t want to be straddled with five kids,” the former Australian of the Year said, sobbing. “I haven’t forgiven him…

“I don’t like the word ‘stolen’ and it’s perhaps true that I’ve used the word loosely at times… I would see myself as a removed child, and not necessarily stolen.”

Asked whether it would be better to state clearly that she wasn’t a member of the stolen generation, Dr O’Donoghue said: “I am prepared to make that concession.”

I note you’re from Canberra Goffy. A great haven of the Left. I doubt you’d like our border protection policy either.

Here’s a link to Keith Windschuttle's The Fabrication of Aboriginal History

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/flawed-history-keeps-myth-alive-about-the-stolen-generations/story-e6frg6z6-1225824632357

Pt 4.

My ancestors lived on their land in a young settled country. Settlement took place 60 odd years before their journey. I accept that you have personal guilt, but that’s your choice. I have none. I don’t have an ounce of guilt for something that had nothing to do with me. And I feel no guilt on behalf of my ancestors. Explorers discovered a new land on the other side of the world and established new lives. I’m bloody glad they did. You ? Not so much. My ancestors have nothing to feel ashamed about. I have no doubt Aborigines were treated appalling in many cases, but I take no ownership over that. Many indigenes also wish their brethren would leave their animosity behind, as it holds their community back.

People, such as you, don’t help their cause and nor do you help enrich their future. But rest assured fellow lefties will rejoice in slapping your back. For seeming is always far better than doing.

No one can take you seriously after that crack about the Stolen Generation being a myth. I suppose the WW2 Holocaust is a myth too? Actually, don't answer that. I think I know your answer.

[Elusive Tunbridge 795]

I didn't mention Bolt ET but in any case you aren't right about your first sentence.

(1) It is unlawful for a person to do an act, otherwise than in private, if:

(a) the act is reasonably likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people

If you are so inclined you can read about it here.....

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s18c.html

The full context:

Offensive behaviour because of race, colour or national or ethnic origin

(1) It is unlawful for a person to do an act, otherwise than in private, if:

(a) the act is reasonably likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people; and

(b) the act is done because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the other person or of some or all of the people in the group.

So I guess the sheepshagger example stands. Offensive speech is OK except in relation to race, colour, national or ethnic origin, though I think "because of" opens a gap a lawyer could drive a truck through.

The “stolen generations” are a myth perpetuated by politically motivated historians.

Knowing personally several members of the stolen generations, including a relative of my own, your eagerness to deny their existence is contemptible, but unsurprising.

[Gator 16,893]

Prodee I'm sure Adam Goodes' mother will be pleased to hear you declare the Stolen Generation a myth, since 9 of her 10 siblings were forcibly removed from their biological parents by govt authorities. Did they "do" or was it just "seeming"?

Yes, his Mother, like many others, have claimed to be "stolen". But let's hear from Goffy's favourite reporter...

She came from South Australia, which the state’s Supreme Court found in 2007 never had a policy of removing children just because they were Aboriginal.

Brian Bennett worked for the Aborigines Department when Goodes’s mother was a girl, and told the court: “I don’t believe that I, at any time during my career as a welfare officer, had the power to remove an Aboriginal child from its parents.”

The judge also cited a letter written in 1958 by the Secretary of the Aborigines Protection Board: “Our legislation does not provide that neglected children can be removed from their parents, except by transfer to the Children’s Welfare and Public Relief Board who in any case, will not accept them.”

In South Australia, Aboriginal children could only be adopted “with the authority of the parents” but too few got that chance — as Goodes’s mother apparently did.

“Unfortunately, there is a considerable amount of undernourishment, malnutrition and neglect,” the secretary mourned.

Our history is not as simple as Goodes claims. Nor is our guilt.

[Gator 16,893]

...Knowing personally several members of the stolen generations, including a relative of my own, your eagerness to deny their existence is contemptible, but unsurprising.

I don't doubt they claim it, but I doubt it happened. There was certainly no government policy to "steal children".

Children have been saved from terrible environments in some Aboriginal communities for decades. Perhaps they were from one of those.

Edited May 31, 2015 by ProDee

[P-man 13,168]

Oh, and just on that 13 year old girl who has somehow become a 'victim'. Never mind the fact that she knew exactly what she was saying, how was he to know who she was? He was jogging down the boundary during Indigenous round and heard someone call him an ape, at which point he turned around and pointed at the person in question. Once it was established that it was a minor, was he meant to say "nothing to see here". She called him the next day, he told her how it made him feel upset and then he forgave her. If many people could have it their way - he would be commending her for calling him as some grand act and that he had no right to not smile and forget about it. A five year old calling him an ape might do it because of his skin colour but not know why it is offensive, a 13 year old is more than aware.

This is a load of tosh, but covering old ground now. The incident was handled appallingly. Be thankful it wasn't your kid.

What it does do is take focus off the insidious, purposeful racist element in our society, who incidentally would be laughing their arses off.

[Pirlo 519]

This is a load of tosh, but covering old ground now. The incident was handled appallingly. Be thankful it wasn't your kid.

What it does do is take focus off the insidious, purposeful racist element in our society, who incidentally would be laughing their arses off.

I'd be absolutely horrified if my child said that at the football, let alone at 13.

I remember driving down towards Optus Oval when I was eight with my dad and brother. Vin Waite had just died, they were talking about it on the radio, and I made an untoward comment with regards to Jarrad who was playing that day. I don't recall what I said, but I do recall the look on my dads face and the tone of his voice when he told me off. Its called good parenting, because you bloody well know never to say anything like that again.

[Moonshadow 16,177]

Yes, his Mother, like many others, have claimed to be "stolen". But let's hear from Goffy's favourite reporter...

She came from South Australia, which the state’s Supreme Court found in 2007 never had a policy of removing children just because they were Aboriginal.

Brian Bennett worked for the Aborigines Department when Goodes’s mother was a girl, and told the court: “I don’t believe that I, at any time during my career as a welfare officer, had the power to remove an Aboriginal child from its parents.”

The judge also cited a letter written in 1958 by the Secretary of the Aborigines Protection Board: “Our legislation does not provide that neglected children can be removed from their parents, except by transfer to the Children’s Welfare and Public Relief Board who in any case, will not accept them.”

In South Australia, Aboriginal children could only be adopted “with the authority of the parents” but too few got that chance — as Goodes’s mother apparently did.

“Unfortunately, there is a considerable amount of undernourishment, malnutrition and neglect,” the secretary mourned.

Our history is not as simple as Goodes claims. Nor is our guilt.

You can't be serious quoting right wing Andrew Bolt to support your arguement that the Stolen Generation is a myth? Lol! The same guy that thinks global warming to be a myth? Next you'll get a quote from David Irving to back you up as well.

[P-man 13,168]

I'd be absolutely horrified if my child said that at the football, let alone at 13.

I remember driving down towards Optus Oval when I was eight with my dad and brother. Vin Waite had just died, they were talking about it on the radio, and I made an untoward comment with regards to Jarrad who was playing that day. I don't recall what I said, but I do recall the look on my dads face and the tone of his voice when he told me off. Its called good parenting, because you bloody well know never to say anything like that again.

I will never agree with someone who endorses tarring and feathering a 13 year old. Ever.

There is a right way and a wrong way to educate someone.

We disagree.

[hardtack 10,127]

I don't doubt they claim it, but I doubt it happened. There was certainly no government policy to "steal children".

Children have been saved from terrible environments in some Aboriginal communities for decades. Perhaps they were from one of those.

Seriously... [censored] off please.

Edited May 31, 2015 by hardtack

[Gator 16,893]

You can't be serious quoting right wing Andrew Bolt to support your arguement that the Stolen Generation is a myth? Lol! The same guy that thinks global warming to be a myth? Next you'll get a quote from David Irving to back you up as well.

The word is "argument". It's a bit like truely is actually "truly".

And yes, I'm very serious. Besides, what I quoted was court reported, nong.

[Gator 16,893]

Seriously... [censored] off please.

As you've asked nicely I will.

Especially as sleep and then work beckons, so I'll leave you and the other Lefties to continue your ill-placed indignation and rewriting of history.

[hardtack 10,127]

As you've asked nicely I will.

Especially as sleep and then work beckons, so I'll leave you and the other Lefties to continue your ill-placed indignation and rewriting of history.

Assume all you like... you seem to be good at that.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

I suspect neither you nor Dunstall have been subject to systematic racism throughout your whole life.

It's no coincidence that it's always the white, heterosexual males who say things like this.

Could the above be the most ignorant thing I have ever seen posted on Demonland?

It's always the [insert skin colour], [insert sexuality], [insert sex] who say things like this?

Astounding it comes from a moderator.